Gems and blunders from the TTW tennis discussions

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
It's basically asking if the scoreline of a regular match would be 62 62 62 or worse. If you go with the conditions that Sampras has tech from his own era and Nadal from his, I think it's quite likely that Sampras doesn't win over 50% of serve points on Chatrier.
Each of those sets would still require Nadal to break him six times each. I don't care how good Nadal is on clay; he is not winning over 50% of return points against the Sampras serve, even with the difference in equipment. Even on clay, the serve is the most important shot in tennis. And we're not talking about some 4.0-level serve. This is Pete Sampras of all people, and no matter how below-par he is, you can't expect to win a match if he serves every game. That is the equivalent of triple-bageling him twice in a normal match, which is really tricky to do against that serve. Here are Sampras's stats on clay:

Service Games won% - 81.5%
SVC. GMs. Lost per set - 0.91
SVC GMs Lost per match - 2.5

Sampras would only have to win 60% of his service games (which is abysmal by his standards) to win the match.

This is an impossible challenge. And think about Sampras's second serve. You know, the famous second serve. Think about how many risks he would take with that weapon since he knows he's going to serve every game.
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
Any classic quotes?
Hoo, boy...

"Difference is Pioline, Chang and Martin were one-offs Pete destroyed. Baghdatis, Roddick, and Hewitt were Fed's main rivals."

It's funny that he calls Chang a one-off (Sampras and Chang played 20 times) yet Baghdatis is somehow one of Fed's main rivals.

"14 Strong Slams v 20 Great Weak Slams 14 wins in straights. 6-3, 6-1, 6-0."

"Nah. He wanted to spare Fed the shame of a humiliating set of defeats at his hands. Remember, he WON his last slam tournament."

"When has that ever mattered? You're talking about the modern ATP. Also, even they couldn't have accounted for all of Tankerer's near escapes from New York City beatdowns at the hands of his Once and Forever Master. It takes a true escape artist to not only evade Nadal, but the system itself."

"Actually what you have in terms of achievements for most of the time since this term started being used is: Big 4: Nadal/Djokovic ----Big Gap--------- Murray --Gap--- Federer"

"Psychology of a Fedfan: As long as everything is about us, we're happy. Accomplishments, head to head, competition, Truth all be damned. What matters is our Egos. Pathetic."
 
"I honestly do not think Federer is a Top 10 player of all-time. He just emerged in a bizarre weak, transitional era that nobody had ever played in before. "

And this guy truly means it. :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
What Federer personally brings to the table according to one poster:

OhYes said:
He represents everything that is wrong in this sport
1) Selfishness (he could retire long ago but he wanted to be sure his record stays intact, main reason for next gen failing multiple times, and if his plan works and his record becomes untouchable, it would make any future generation passive and indifferent )
2) Greediness (money related)
3) Idolization beyond any measure
a) His fans feel entitled to boo and heckle other players
b) tournament directors feel appropriate to ask him which surface he prefers and are doing everything to "satisfy demand" or to make their tournament "more prestigious" by having him as a winner
c) commentators salivating over his moves, gestures, emphasizing their bias neglecting position they represent
d) press behaving there is only 1 player worth of praise while others are not important
4) easy draws for his easier success
5) scheduling time of play by his needs (not case of profit because he was playing at UO during daytime since he liked conditions more)
6) suspicious longevity, combined with physical competence and level of play
7) no one is allowed to say anything negative about him or to ask questions which are not complimentary
8) boosting resume with 2 weak eras is called greatest of all time
9) typical example that sport is run by trademarks, power, big companies, and that you can't find your way through because media darling is still playing
10) introducing fake exhibition into ATP official one giving points and stats retroactively
11) bad boys use parts of his fanbase (through attacks on his biggest rivals) so they get protected if they misbehave
12) creating fake PR stories (example - some Jesus Aparicio guy who woke from coma after 10 years, first thing he spoke is asking about Federer)
13) taking credit from other people (Djokovic, Pospisil) concerning possible increase of prizes for low ranked players
14) making his opponents feel they have to apologize if they beat him in big tournament

Tennis as sport revolves around Federer. Not because tennis will die and cease to exist if Federer stops playing, but because of machinery that made him untouchable in every possible way. If you think of sport that cherish values of competing and being fair to all, tennis is not in that group thanks to one man and his image.

:cool:
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
What Federer personally brings to the table according to one poster:

OhYes said:
He represents everything that is wrong in this sport
1) Selfishness (he could retire long ago but he wanted to be sure his record stays intact, main reason for next gen failing multiple times, and if his plan works and his record becomes untouchable, it would make any future generation passive and indifferent )
2) Greediness (money related)
3) Idolization beyond any measure
a) His fans feel entitled to boo and heckle other players
b) tournament directors feel appropriate to ask him which surface he prefers and are doing everything to "satisfy demand" or to make their tournament "more prestigious" by having him as a winner
c) commentators salivating over his moves, gestures, emphasizing their bias neglecting position they represent
d) press behaving there is only 1 player worth of praise while others are not important
4) easy draws for his easier success
5) scheduling time of play by his needs (not case of profit because he was playing at UO during daytime since he liked conditions more)
6) suspicious longevity, combined with physical competence and level of play
7) no one is allowed to say anything negative about him or to ask questions which are not complimentary
8) boosting resume with 2 weak eras is called greatest of all time
9) typical example that sport is run by trademarks, power, big companies, and that you can't find your way through because media darling is still playing
10) introducing fake exhibition into ATP official one giving points and stats retroactively
11) bad boys use parts of his fanbase (through attacks on his biggest rivals) so they get protected if they misbehave
12) creating fake PR stories (example - some Jesus Aparicio guy who woke from coma after 10 years, first thing he spoke is asking about Federer)
13) taking credit from other people (Djokovic, Pospisil) concerning possible increase of prizes for low ranked players
14) making his opponents feel they have to apologize if they beat him in big tournament

Tennis as sport revolves around Federer. Not because tennis will die and cease to exist if Federer stops playing, but because of machinery that made him untouchable in every possible way. If you think of sport that cherish values of competing and being fair to all, tennis is not in that group thanks to one man and his image.

:cool:
Cannot imagine that much hate wrapped up in one person.
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
What Federer personally brings to the table according to one poster:

OhYes said:
He represents everything that is wrong in this sport
1) Selfishness (he could retire long ago but he wanted to be sure his record stays intact, main reason for next gen failing multiple times, and if his plan works and his record becomes untouchable, it would make any future generation passive and indifferent )
2) Greediness (money related)
3) Idolization beyond any measure
a) His fans feel entitled to boo and heckle other players
b) tournament directors feel appropriate to ask him which surface he prefers and are doing everything to "satisfy demand" or to make their tournament "more prestigious" by having him as a winner
c) commentators salivating over his moves, gestures, emphasizing their bias neglecting position they represent
d) press behaving there is only 1 player worth of praise while others are not important
4) easy draws for his easier success
5) scheduling time of play by his needs (not case of profit because he was playing at UO during daytime since he liked conditions more)
6) suspicious longevity, combined with physical competence and level of play
7) no one is allowed to say anything negative about him or to ask questions which are not complimentary
8) boosting resume with 2 weak eras is called greatest of all time
9) typical example that sport is run by trademarks, power, big companies, and that you can't find your way through because media darling is still playing
10) introducing fake exhibition into ATP official one giving points and stats retroactively
11) bad boys use parts of his fanbase (through attacks on his biggest rivals) so they get protected if they misbehave
12) creating fake PR stories (example - some Jesus Aparicio guy who woke from coma after 10 years, first thing he spoke is asking about Federer)
13) taking credit from other people (Djokovic, Pospisil) concerning possible increase of prizes for low ranked players
14) making his opponents feel they have to apologize if they beat him in big tournament

Tennis as sport revolves around Federer. Not because tennis will die and cease to exist if Federer stops playing, but because of machinery that made him untouchable in every possible way. If you think of sport that cherish values of competing and being fair to all, tennis is not in that group thanks to one man and his image.

:cool:
This level of hate is really uncalled for. I haven't seen any player on this forum that gets more hate than Federer (except for Zverev and maybe Nadal, but most of the latter case is just trolling).
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
ADuck said:
Probably even less. WTF arguably has a weaker field than a Masters 1000 due to it only taking the top 8 players of the year. The problem is the top 8 players have earnt points on a variety of different surfaces/conditions so it doesn't guarantee they will be the best 8 players at that event. Think of any masters 1000 recently, how many times are the best 8 players in the event the top 8 players in the world at that given moment? Not many times.

:cool:
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
ADuck said:
Probably even less. WTF arguably has a weaker field than a Masters 1000 due to it only taking the top 8 players of the year. The problem is the top 8 players have earnt points on a variety of different surfaces/conditions so it doesn't guarantee they will be the best 8 players at that event. Think of any masters 1000 recently, how many times are the best 8 players in the event the top 8 players in the world at that given moment? Not many times.

:cool:
There are some really jaw-dropping things in this thread. :) I just read through it procrastinating because I don't want to run again in the heat we are in right now in South Florida. It was 95F again, nearly in the middle of Sept. And when it finally gets below 80F at night, the humidity goes up to over 90%.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
I had no idea till I saw that post. Poor chap must be seeing Fedr even in his dreams.
He and that panties chap who makes Fed-hate threads by the minute.
Eye beeleave ewe knead gin durr flewidity edumicashun on at leased won uv ewer reeferences.
 

Zara

Legend
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What the fack is this about? Who told you I am anti-semitic?

I meant clearly that I didn't know I was one.
 
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Third Serve

Hall of Fame
"Fed faced peak Bull on clay. Djokovic didn't."
- Kevaninho

Worthy of the TTW history books, this is.
Both faced peak bull. I think Djokovic had the advantage of facing a fairly lackluster Nadal in 2014-2016 but he still has 2011-2013 to boost his case. Likewise, Fed didn't face Nadal in 2004 but still has 2005-2008 to mention. He also did worse against Nadal.
 
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