Generalized athletic cheating in Russian athletes

[Rusty Shackleford]

You can thank me...I coined that one.

Stroke of genius.

 

[Bartelby]

That makes sense. Congratulations!

You can thank me...I coined that one.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

That makes sense. Congratulations!

Signature improved, well done mate.

Been getting any of this rain recently?
We were supposed to get like three days of 20mm or more, which became one day of 25mm and some change.
Clear again now.

 

[Sentinel]

Any competitor from Russia or Kenya wishing to take part in the Olympics will need to be individually evaluated and declared eligible by their sport's international federation, Olympic chief Bach added.

WOW ! This is huge !! I hope we get to see David Rudisha (800m).

Is this going to end Kenyan dominance in the middle and long distances ???

 

[Sentinel]

Signature improved, well done mate.

What happened to his "full-spectrum dominance" ?

Now he is back to his latin/french sigs, lol.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

What happened to his "full-spectrum dominance" ?

What use is a signature space if you can't put a dry, sophisticated-looking foreign-language quote in there?
I'd just say that he came to his senses.

 

[Bartelby]

It suffered a case of Grigor Mortis.

What happened to his "full-spectrum dominance" ?

 

[Gary Duane]

I'm more inclined to believe the opposite, that it's because there's not enough government control that these athletes - who communicate amongst themselves - are doping individually but within a certain culture that's predisposed to doing that. I refuse to believe that a government led by an ex-KGB agent would have a national doping policy that systematically fails at the first hurdle.

In other words, a canny dictator could figure out a better way of doping.

 

[MatsPhilander]

 

[Sentinel]

It suffered a case of Grigor Mortis.

Carpe Diem !

Alea jacta est.

 

[Bartelby]

Russia is a very corrupt society and the leader of the drug agency was one of the most corrupt figures. He left for America before charges were laid and is now paraded as a 'whistleblower'.

Needless to say he blames the Kremlin and the NYT/State Departement dutifuly reports his utterances as truth.

In other words, a canny dictator could figure out a better way of doping.

 

[Bartelby]

 

[Deleted member 688153]

What if we actually just allowed all doping?
Being serious here.

Let people take whatever they want.

 

[Bartelby]

I have already argued that position to general disagreement. From memory my propositions were:

1. drugs must be reasonably affordable for all athletes

2. drugs must be reasonably safe to use for all athletes

At the moment Djokovic can jump into his POD to simulate altitude training, but if one takes a drug to simulate the same you will be banned!

So I don't think you can say they can take anything for the reason that sport would then become a drugs 'arm race' and some would be willing to take risks with their long term health.

 

[Deleted member 688153]

I have already argued that position to general disagreement. From memory my propositions were:

1. drugs must be reasonably affordable for all athletes

2. drugs must be reasonably safe to use for all athletes

At the moment Djokovic can jump into his POD to simulate altitude training, but if one takes a drug to simulate the same you will be banned!

So I don't think you can say they can take anything for the reason that sport would then become a drugs 'arm race' and some would be willing to take risks with their long term health.

That's true. Also there's the imbalance of wealth among the players which will undoubtedly see the richest ones being able to afford the best drugs and so keep winning.

But if we do not do this, then where we draw the line is an interesting discussion.

 

[ScentOfDefeat]

That's true. Also there's the imbalance of wealth among the players which will undoubtedly see the richest ones being able to afford the best drugs and so keep winning.

But if we do not do this, then where we draw the line is an interesting discussion.

I think this already exists to a certain extent regardless of doping. One of the reasons why the "big 4" are so invincible and can stay at the top so long without even falling off the top 10 (especially compared to former greats) is because the gap between the haves and the have nots has become much wider. Top players can afford better training, nutrition, and all those important extras that someone ranked 100 or 50 can't. It's the only thing that can fully explain why a 30-something year-old body can still dominate the tour when - all things being equal between players - it should be declining.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I think this already exists to a certain extent regardless of doping. One of the reasons why the "big 4" are so invincible and can stay at the top so long without even falling off the top 10 (especially compared to former greats) is because the gap between the haves and the have nots has become much wider. Top players can afford better training, nutrition, and all those important extras that someone ranked 100 or 50 can't. It's the only thing that can fully explain why a 30-something year-old body can still dominate the tour when - all things being equal between players - it should be declining.

That is why we need the fast surfaces ASAP.

We need surfaces, where the natural strengths of a young body can deal with all those improvements thanks to nutrition and training.

Of course, Mr. Brump's ideas about doping are a joke as they will create even more arbitrary lines than the ones already in existence and create broad framework for political games, which usually serve best the organizations/people at the top.

 

[Bartelby]

My ideas would create a political games! What do you think we have now?

Sports people are kept as clean and well-paid eunuchs to entertain the corporate sector.

While the public sector foots the bill.

 

[Gary Duane]

I think this already exists to a certain extent regardless of doping. One of the reasons why the "big 4" are so invincible and can stay at the top so long without even falling off the top 10 (especially compared to former greats) is because the gap between the haves and the have nots has become much wider. Top players can afford better training, nutrition, and all those important extras that someone ranked 100 or 50 can't. It's the only thing that can fully explain why a 30-something year-old body can still dominate the tour when - all things being equal between players - it should be declining.

There you go! Think of the pros in the 60s, eating together every night and struggling to get from match to match. They had it harder than the amateurs. Today stars are totally pampered at every moment...

 

[Bartelby]

We areremembering the 75th anniversary of Operation Barbarossa, by the way, which ended in the defeat of the Third Reich at the hands of the ... Russians or Soviets, more accurately:

http://www.historyextra.com/article/feature/operation-barbarossa-9-popular-myths-busted

 

[Deleted member 688153]

My ideas would create a political games! What do you think we have now?

Sports people are kept as clean and well-paid eunuchs to entertain the corporate sector.

While the public sector foots the bill.

In the case of the Olympics I agree, although things like the tennis majors are mostly privately funded are they not?

(If not, they should be)

 

[Bartelby]

The Victorian State Government has been almost entirely responsible for Melbourne Park and Turnbull even wants to spend 100 million building a football stadium in Townsville.

American cities are endlessly blackmailed by teams threatening to leave into forking out huge sums and the former President engineered one of these deals when in Texas politics.

So private sector funding is an ideological pipe dream in most cases, but of course it varies.