German Natural Gut?

Gmedlo

Professional
Has anyone tried this stuff thats available on the bay? Is it a typical budget-gut that often snaps while stringing or can it compete with more reputable guts?

I would kill for good gut that comes out to <$15 for a gut/syngut hybrid...
 

AmericanTemplar

Professional
I just noticed it today on the bay and did a search that yielded quite a few results, the bulk of which were posts by people such as yourself who were wondering if anyone had any experience with it. It appears that after all of the horror stories assosciated with Grand Slam Gut nobody here wanted to shell out the dough to be the guineau pig.
 

gwrtheyrn

New User
bmichaelia has tried the "german natural gut" you speak of...He/she said that there were no problems, but couldn't compare it to any other brand of natural gut, due to a lack of experience with other brands of natural gut...
 
I've used some of this gut to string a couple of Wilson H1's that need 43' of string. The string measured 42' and was plenty for these racquets. It strung up just fine and customers say it hits great.
 
I've strung two racquets with it, as mains in a hybrid, w my usual Gosen sheep micro crosses, and like it a lot. Am even considering turning my back on my old favorite of Cyberflash mains because of it. I've played w each frame about 10 hrs worth, and no problems (but I'm not a big string breaker).

However, I didn't like stringing it. Besides it stretching like crazy, I had to wipe off excess wax and even use a starting clamp as a backup clamp to keep it from slipping several times. Don't know if Legend or others have that problem. I felt it was definitely worth the $30 or so. And still have the other two half sets. ;)
 
Why would anybody shell out $30.00 for a gut with a suspect reputation when you can buy Babolat Tonic for 24.99? http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageACBAB-BTGUT16.html. Which is still a higher quality gut than almost any other gut out there. The only down side of Tonic is that it does not come in 17 gauge.
Well, it wasn't clear in the original message, but you get 4 half sets for that. So a full set's worth comes to $15.
 
And just to clarify, that includes shipping. So you get two set's worth for $30 vs $30-$31 for a set of Legend w shipping.
 

ShiroRm

Rookie
thanks. I'll ask, even if I'm a bit skeptical: I stopped using tonic+, because it didn't gave me as much feel as Vs team does
 

Princegod

Rookie
bmichaelia, what is the max tension you have strung some of your rackets with this German gut? Also, are you using a constant pull or lockout machine for stringing?
 
bmichaelia, what is the max tension you have strung some of your rackets with this German gut? Also, are you using a constant pull or lockout machine for stringing?

I used 56 gut mains, 58 syn gut crosses on a dropwt machine. That's about my normal tension. I had good control, and could probably go lower if I wanted more power.
 
Tried ze German Natural gut today. I have it strung on my Yonex RDS001 Mid, natural gut mains @ 58lbs and the poly string that it comes with in the mains at 55lbs.

Bmichaela was dead on about it stretching like crazy.

I don't think I have enough playtime to give a thorough report on this string. I played for 4 hours today and wasn't too impressed with the setup. It felt a little stiff, with no pop or liveliness. It made me miss my synthetic/poly setup. I'm going to try the natural gut main/Gosen Micro Syn gut crosses in the near future and will see how I like this combo.
 
Forgot to mention that is seems like a very nice string cosmetically. I have no experience with natural gut strings so I can't compare it to, say Klip Legend. It seems very durable however I'm not experiencing the added "power" that natural gut is known for.
 

crism54

Semi-Pro
other experiences with this gut? can you also put a photo to understand the color?
is the gauge 1.30mm or bigger and irregular?
 
Update. Have now tried the "German" gut many hours, and continue to like it a lot (I have it in a hybrid w OG Micro crosses). I also have a racquet now with Legend mains and have tried two different crosses with that.

I find the German gut much softer and more powerful than Legend, yet maintaining good control, not going dead. In fact, I haven't liked the Legend combos I've tried, but maybe I need to reduce the tension - have it at 58# now.
 

Lefty5

Hall of Fame
i agree, like the German Guts also. Very very soft, have to be careful stringing it. Don't like it with Poly Hybrids becaue I'm a full poly guy when i play singles, but string it up full for doubles season when I take shorter strokes.
 
Why would anybody shell out $30.00 for a gut with a suspect reputation when you can buy Babolat Tonic for 24.99?
Exactly.

Well, there's the Teu'tonic' pride angle.

Maybe someone who is still boycotting French goods.

For record, I married a German girl. I love Germans. I just hate their guts.
 

Richie Rich

Legend
just because you've heard of it, doesn't make it "good".
no, but you pretty much know what you are getting with the name brands or what TW sells (good or bad). you buy these no name guts and it's more than likely crap. with gut you pretty much get what you pay for
 
I've tried the stuff and it is better than any multi but not as good as VS. It is very stretchy.

For the price, I can't complain. They sent me two full sets and a 1/2 set with a 1/2 set of some poly. I will try it as a hybrid on the half sets but I have not yet.

For the money, it is pretty good.
 
why people spend good money on gut they haven't heard about before is beyond me.
This isn't a very long thread, so you should have read the first page where I explained I got 2 sets for $30 incl shipping. That's why I tried it, it was about half the price of any other gut, once you add shipping or tax. And besides it turning out to be a very good string (to me anyway) it's not completely unheard of, so ease up on the criticism.
 

Richie Rich

Legend
This isn't a very long thread, so you should have read the first page where I explained I got 2 sets for $30 incl shipping. That's why I tried it, it was about half the price of any other gut, once you add shipping or tax. And besides it turning out to be a very good string (to me anyway) it's not completely unheard of, so ease up on the criticism.
i wasn't criticizing you. you can spend your money on whatever you like. if you like the gut you bought then good for you.

my point is/was that a majority of these "no name" guts are of poor quality. i've seen enough of them over 15 years of stringing. with gut you usually get what you pay for. some of these "no name" guts don't even make it off the stringer before they snap. good case in point is titan gut sold by TW. a few like it, most think it's crap. some of the sets are really bad quality.

if you are willing to roll the dice with one of these "no name" guts then go ahead. you may have bought 2 good sets but the law of averages will catch up with you at some point.

you paid $15/set on second rate gut. you can buy first quality klip screamer hybrid (legend mains/syn gut cross) for $4 more and be assured of the quality. but this is just IMO - you use whatever makes you happy
 

Lefty5

Hall of Fame
my point is/was that a majority of these "no name" guts are of poor quality.
Hate to break it to you Richie Rich but there are probably only a handful of actual string manufacturing plants in the world. Those same manufactures make it and send it to Babalot, Wilson, Prince, you name it. Then there are other companies that get the same string and don't have quite the marketing budget that a Wilson has, and that doesn't qualify it as crap. Any differences you notice is done after its been manufactured, like the all weather coating on the VS strings. However, the most difference you notice is told to by the little marketing man on your shoulder rather than actual difference.
 

predrag

Professional
Hate to break it to you Richie Rich but there are probably only a handful of actual string manufacturing plants in the world. Those same manufactures make it and send it to Babalot, Wilson, Prince, you name it.
[snip]

Nonsense.
Babolat has its own factory.
And makes Wilson Gut too.

Regards, Predrag
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Hate to break it to you Richie Rich but there are probably only a handful of actual string manufacturing plants in the world. Those same manufactures make it and send it to Babalot, Wilson, Prince, you name it. Then there are other companies that get the same string and don't have quite the marketing budget that a Wilson has, and that doesn't qualify it as crap. Any differences you notice is done after its been manufactured, like the all weather coating on the VS strings. However, the most difference you notice is told to by the little marketing man on your shoulder rather than actual difference.
Well, you're semi-right. There are a handful of factories, they belong to Babolat, Pacific, Klip, BDE, and Bow and they do manufacture gut. BDE manufactured gut for Prince and Gamma I believe. Babolat is sold under the Wilson name. But, insofar as the main most producers of gut go, they have their own facilities and means of manufacture.

What you may be thinking of is synthetic gut which is manufacturerd by whoever for most companies. Gosen is one of the largest manufacturers of syn gut in the world from what I understand.

i heard that sheep gut was baaaaaaaaad....
^That was funny.
 

Richie Rich

Legend
Hate to break it to you Richie Rich but there are probably only a handful of actual string manufacturing plants in the world. Those same manufactures make it and send it to Babalot, Wilson, Prince, you name it. Then there are other companies that get the same string and don't have quite the marketing budget that a Wilson has, and that doesn't qualify it as crap. Any differences you notice is done after its been manufactured, like the all weather coating on the VS strings. However, the most difference you notice is told to by the little marketing man on your shoulder rather than actual difference.
pure BS. regardless of who makes it, the no name guts are inferior. period. marketing has nothing to do with it. give your head a shake :rolleyes:
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
pure BS. regardless of who makes it, the no name guts are inferior. period. marketing has nothing to do with it. give your head a shake :rolleyes:
Then, stick with what you like and pay twice as much :razz:

One time, when having a similar conversation with a friend... he proclaimed... "I ONLY pay full retail" and yes, he did stress the word ONLY. He went on to explain that he thought paying full retail probably meant the product was superior to similar products costing less. I didn't have the heart to laugh in his face and explain effective marketing techniques. I just gave him a look of incredulity and stated... "REAlly!" :lol:
 

Richie Rich

Legend
Then, stick with what you like and pay twice as much :razz:

One time, when having a similar conversation with a friend... he proclaimed... "I ONLY pay full retail" and yes, he did stress the word ONLY. He went on to explain that he thought paying full retail probably meant the product was superior to similar products costing less. I didn't have the heart to laugh in his face and explain effective marketing techniques. I just gave him a look of incredulity and stated... "REAlly!" :lol:
look, i've got nothing against people playing with what they like. if the cheap gut works for you then it's all good. it all depends on your taste.

however, to proclaim that these second rate gut strings are just as good as the top brands is just silly. there are way more imperfections with lower priced gut and way more problems with stringing it up (snapping, fraying, etc)

i don't pay $35+ for VS gut because i don't see the value. i do pay $20 for a gut/syn gut hybrid because i do see the value. for example, for 3 more than titan gut i get a string i know is reliable and consistent. i can't say the same about titan gut - it's a crap shoot as to what i'm going to get.

i'm all for finding a good deal but some things don't turn out to be the deal you think they are. IMO cheap, second rate gut falls into this category
 

flash9

Semi-Pro
*bay Natural Gut - NOT!

We had a player bring us some of his *bay German Natural Gut to string in his racquet for him. First off this was NOT in anyway a natural product. We cut off an inch and placed in water for a week and it looked the same as when we put it into the water. Yes, Natural Gut manufactures like, Babalot, KLIP, Pacific, Bow Brand, BDE, and others have come up with coatings to help protect the natural fibers, but no one has come up with something that make it impenetrable to water! If you place any Natural Gut in water within a hour the string has swelled up and fibers begin to separate. If you do not believe me try it for yourself.
That being said the string was rather stretchy, but strung up just fine and the player liked the way it played. The guy selling this stuff on *bay is making a killing cutting off 20’ lengths and selling it basically for $15 a set!
 
We had a player bring us some of his *bay German Natural Gut to string in his racquet for him. First off this was NOT in anyway a natural product. We cut off an inch and placed in water for a week and it looked the same as when we put it into the water. Yes, Natural Gut manufactures like, Babalot, KLIP, Pacific, Bow Brand, BDE, and others have come up with coatings to help protect the natural fibers, but no one has come up with something that make it impenetrable to water! If you place any Natural Gut in water within a hour the string has swelled up and fibers begin to separate. If you do not believe me try it for yourself.
That being said the string was rather stretchy, but strung up just fine and the player liked the way it played. The guy selling this stuff on *bay is making a killing cutting off 20’ lengths and selling it basically for $15 a set!
Interesting, I might try that little test. I hope you wiped off all the wax that's on the gut, they put a ton on. It's by far the stretchiest string I've seen, although I may not have as much experience as you, and it seemed unique. As I said earlier, I like it a lot and it's lasted well. Like it better than the Legend I've got in another stick (both are hybrids).
 

flash9

Semi-Pro
This is the One My Customer Purchased!

Interesting, I might try that little test. I hope you wiped off all the wax that's on the gut, they put a ton on. It's by far the stretchiest string I've seen, although I may not have as much experience as you, and it seemed unique. As I said earlier, I like it a lot and it's lasted well. Like it better than the Legend I've got in another stick (both are hybrids).
The guy that my customer purchased from is the one who listings on *bay describe it as follows:

German Twist Technology and Thermo Treated makes this Natural Gut the most durable in the World, but still plays soft and has been play tested at over 100lbs.

Sorry but NO Natural Gut is going to hold up to 100lbs! :shock:
 
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000KFACTOR90000

Professional
I was all ready to give this gut a go when I decided to check that it was beef gut, only to find from the egay seller that it was sheep gut.

With stringing the racquet a fair component of the price and very few positive reviews online I decided it was probably a false economy.
 
I was all ready to give this gut a go when I decided to check that it was beef gut, only to find from the egay seller that it was sheep gut.

With stringing the racquet a fair component of the price and very few positive reviews online I decided it was probably a false economy.
Well, I for one love it, so there's a positive. But I sure didn't like stringing it, it's unbelievably stretchy and waxy.
 

000KFACTOR90000

Professional
Yes at the last moment after general reading about gut that revealed cow gut was regarded as superior to sheep gut, I asked the seller the question and he said it was sheep gut.

Maybe if he was more upfront about it I think I would have given it a go.

I just felt in his description he kept comparing it to all the other guts on the market while at the same time leaving out a critical difference.

If it's sheep gut and plays great why not just say that?
 

BigGriff

Semi-Pro
Hasn't GSG been review by the USRSA several times? It seems like some of the posters never heard of this natural gut.

I think it is strange that GSG does the majority of its business on egay. Why don't they try to establish distribution by other means?
 

flash9

Semi-Pro
German Gut is not GSG Gut

Hasn't GSG been review by the USRSA several times?
The German Gut is not the GSG Gut, that is a completely different guy. GSG Gut is really a Natural Gut. The first set someone brought to me was OK, but the second and third set were very poor and inconsistent quality. One broke while I was stringing it and other broke in the guys bag before he was able to even hit with it. :confused::(
 
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