Get rid of the Madrid Masters!

Man, I miss Hamburg Masters. Brings back many memories. I remember getting home from school to watch matches (especially 05-07) and looking forward to upcoming grand slams during summer vacation. Good times.
 
Hamburg should be converted to a grass event, it is one of the few that would work, there are plenty of other clay 500 events.
 
Sid_Vicious said:
Man, I miss Hamburg Masters. Brings back many memories. I remember getting home from school to watch matches (especially 05-07) and looking forward to upcoming grand slams during summer vacation. Good times.
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what in the freezing cold and every spectator with a blanket.

Madrid doesnt have any history.
 
So if all the players are moaning, why does Rafa get grief and labeled a whiner? Seems like they all dislike it.
I liked hamburg, but it too had its drawbacks. Isn't it still quite cool there this time of year? JMac always says it was cold, still I liked it.
Plus you would think there would be guidelines and policies in place such as surface requirements. Why was the crazy blu clay allowed in the 1st place?
 
Players like Shanghai because they don't have the noise of any crowds to distract their play.



Lsmkenpo said:
Shanghai the tournament the players voted the best Masters event the past three seasons with one of the most beautiful tennis stadiums in the world? What a mistake, bring back Hamburg.
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They had a 1000 event and there's already one grass court event in Germany and no room for any other in the calendar.



Lsmkenpo said:
Hamburg should be converted to a grass event, it is one of the few that would work, there are plenty of other clay 500 events.
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Marius_Hancu said:
Great to have a tournament surface that forces Federer to play S-V to win. That's the great Federer, the complete one. Great to have a tournament surface that for once is faster.

Tiriac is obviously a builder. He was such in Germany for two decades, and is still so in Spain.

Others would like to be destroyers.
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Tiriac is welcome to remain "a builder" in the indoor season where he belongs. In the meantime, there is no point to a pseudo indoor hard master in the middle of the clay season. 0, nada.
The clever players will skip it if by extreme misfortune this event stays the way it is and at the same date.
 
Mainad said:
ATP politics kicked in. After 2008, Shanghai's contract to stage the YEC came to an end. There had been a prior agreement that Shanghai would be compensated by being made into a Masters tournament so that Asia (and especially China) would continue to have a showcase major tournament. At the same time Ion Tiriac and Manolo Santana wanted to turn Madrid from indoor hard-court to clay and they persuaded the ATP to agree. So Hamburg was unceremoniously bumped down to a 500 event and its place in the ATP clay calendar season given to Madrid. Shanghai, which had formerly been staging the YEC, then slotted into Madrid's former place as the first of the two autumn/fall hard court Masters.

Clearly this demonstrates the impressive clout that Tiriac, Santana and the Chinese have with the ATP. But it's not nearly so impressive as the utter lack of clout that the Germans apparently suffer from that the ATP could just demote their top tournament without so much as a by-your-leave to accommodate Madrid and Shanghai's ambitions. I raised a thread about this once before and still don't know how the ATP justified all this to the Germans and whether they even bothered to try!
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There was a legal battle between the ATP and the Hamburg tennis authorities in the second half of 2008 when Hamburg sued the ATP for its attempt to demote Hamburg, and the ATP won. Nadal and Federer both spoke out in support of Hamburg at the time.
 
namelessone said:
Isn't this the one with the constantly empty stands?

Yeah, yeah, I know, those seats have been sold to corporate suits and whatever but it is extremely weird to see so many empty seats at a MS event.
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man you hit the nail here. I couldn't care less how 'pretty' their courts/stadiums are, but when I see the best players in the world (not talking about Djoko, Fed or Nadal) and no crowd at all, it's so horrible, no fun at all.

and some people suggest that China should get a GS. it's like whatever.
 
Mainad said:
ATP politics kicked in. After 2008, Shanghai's contract to stage the YEC came to an end. There had been a prior agreement that Shanghai would be compensated by being made into a Masters tournament so that Asia (and especially China) would continue to have a showcase major tournament.
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One mans 'politics' is another's 'planning for the future'. Asia is growing. Moving a 1000 event there was genius. The only problem with Shanghai is transportation - the stadium is quite a ways from the city center and the government won't let the subway run late to accommodate the late matches (I've gone every yr since 2005). They will fix this eventually - dealing with the Chinese is 'tricky' (to use one of Fed's favorite words)

Sorry @Mustard and others: Hamburg's stadium is too small for a 1000 event. And after Becker (and Kiefer) and Graf, tennis isn't as popular in Germany. And Madrid is an awesome city. Hamburg can't compare.
 
get rid of madrid masters????why??oh yeah,nadal lost that's why..
if he had gone on to win this tournament..all good..blue clay is unique..good for the sport and nadal can win anywhere..blah blah blah..
 
primetennis said:
get rid of madrid masters????why??oh yeah,nadal lost that's why..
if he had gone on to win this tournament..all good..blue clay is unique..good for the sport and nadal can win anywhere..blah blah blah..
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Actually,this thread was started before Nadal lost.
 
West Coast Ace said:
One mans 'politics' is another's 'planning for the future'. Asia is growing. Moving a 1000 event there was genius. The only problem with Shanghai is transportation - the stadium is quite a ways from the city center and the government won't let the subway run late to accommodate the late matches (I've gone every yr since 2005). They will fix this eventually - dealing with the Chinese is 'tricky' (to use one of Fed's favorite words)

Sorry @Mustard and others: Hamburg's stadium is too small for a 1000 event. And after Becker (and Kiefer) and Graf, tennis isn't as popular in Germany. And Madrid is an awesome city. Hamburg can't compare.
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If tennis (allegedly) not being so popular is an argument to demote Hamburg, then it surely should be brought up about Shanghai...
 
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