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Rickson

Rickson

G.O.A.T.
I know a lot of you guys and females especially are worried about getting big muscles, but let's be for real, it's not easy to get big. If it were easy to get big with quality muscle, pro bodybuilders wouldn't be using steroids. When I worked as a trainer many years ago, I heard too many women talk about how they didn't want to get overlymuscular and I had to hold myself back from laughing. How muscular can you get by using that 5 lb. dumbbell? I've bench pressed 345 lbs. and I've never considered myself overly muscular and I only wish I could become "overly muscular". Lifting weights that I wouldn't even consider for a warmup will not get you "huge" so stop worrying about getting too big from muscle and hit the gym. Added muscle helps you burn calories and can only help you. If you're really worried about getting "big", stop eating a lot because fat will make you much bigger than muscles will so eat less, workout more and don't be afraid of gaining muscle. Muscle is your friend.
 
Rickson said:
I know a lot of you guys and females especially are worried about getting big muscles, but let's be for real, it's not easy to get big. If it were easy to get big with quality muscle, pro bodybuilders wouldn't be using steroids. When I worked as a trainer many years ago, I heard too many women talk about how they didn't want to get overlymuscular and I had to hold myself back from laughing. How muscular can you get by using that 5 lb. dumbbell? I've bench pressed 345 lbs. and I've never considered myself overly muscular and I only wish I could become "overly muscular". Lifting weights that I wouldn't even consider for a warmup will not get you "huge" so stop worrying about getting too big from muscle and hit the gym. Added muscle helps you burn calories and can only help you. If you're really worried about getting "big", stop eating a lot because fat will make you much bigger than muscles will so eat less, workout more and don't be afraid of gaining muscle. Muscle is your friend.
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What did that Croatian dude say when you pressed 3 bills? I keep forgetting.
 
345:rolleyes: Is that on a bench machine? Machines don't count.


I am really not sure what caused you to say this, bored or what?

I say don't worry about it, let them be stupid and think this or that. Weakminds WeakBodies.
 
LOL! 345 my arse... Sorry...

A clean 345 would be free weights, feet flat, bar down to chest, slight pause and drive it up without help.

If you can do that, then congrats...
 
345 isn't that impressive of a number. Several seniors at my high school can press that much. Also, i'd imagine that almost all d1 lineman can press that. Andre Agassi (yes that's right) can benchpress that much.


I certainly can't, however.
 
^ Many people say that Bruce Lee could bench 300. He was a strength freak though considering how light he was.

Yeah, I have several friends who can bench that much and maybe some more although I can't say for certain that they're totally natural. It's a very impressive amount, but it's not unbelievable.
 
I believe that your can not have enought strenght *but* too much muscle mass is a hinderance for tennis. I think Bruce Lee could have been an advanced tennis player but most body builders would really have trouble playing advanced tennis.
 
Maybe haveing too much muscle will be a hinderance for tennis but i doubt you can accidently get over muscular. I am sure you would start noticing your muscles becoming massive and i guess you would just stop or use lighter weights. Anyways im gonna try an gain some muscle mass this summer, never lifted weights in my life though.
 
jackson vile said:
345:rolleyes: Is that on a bench machine? Machines don't count.
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Six 45 lb. plates + two 10 lb. plates + two 5 lb. plates + a 45 lb. barbell (not a machine) = 345 lbs..
 
My point was that if a 345 lb. bench press didn't get me huge, how could a 135 lb. bench press get anyone huge? Big muscles just don't come that easily and I've heard so many people talk about how they're afraid of getting big, freaky muscles. These same people have pot bellies and high bodyfat yet they fear getting too big from muscles? They should have feared getting big before they ate all that food. Bodyfat makes you big, muscles make you fit. If two people of the same height were 300 lbs. and one were a fat man and the other musclebound, I can guarantee that the fat man would be bigger in size. I can also guarantee that the muscular man didn't get musclebound by accident while the fat man lost control of his body at some point. Gain muscle and don't worry about getting "big". Those who are truly "big" are fat people.
 
Rickson said:
My point was that if a 345 lb. bench press didn't get me huge, how could a 135 lb. bench press get anyone huge? Big muscles just don't come that easily and I've heard so many people talk about how they're afraid of getting big, freaky muscles. These same people have pot bellies and high bodyfat yet they fear getting too big from muscles? They should have feared getting big before they ate all that food. Bodyfat makes you big, muscles make you fit. If two people of the same height were 300 lbs. and one were a fat man and the other musclebound, I can guarantee that the fat man would be bigger in size. I can also guarantee that the muscular man didn't get musclebound by accident while the fat man lost control of his body at some point. Gain muscle and don't worry about getting "big". Those who are truly "big" are fat people.
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Rickson, here is a interesting question:
If you put a 20 pound pot belly or 10 pounds of ripped biceps, shoulders and chest on Federer (each side 10x2), which would be the biggest handicap ?
I would say the ripped muscles since they usually limit flexibility.
Cheers, Joe
 
I started weight training at 27 and have continued to age 51. Something to consider based on my own experience is that while muscles can get bigger the lungs don't. I had medicals done at my company which included lung capacity testing and results from each medical were virtually identical ( tested every two years from age 29 to 50).

I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who's had similar testing.
 
It depends on the workout, and when you start it.
I've seen plenty of medical tests that proove that people who trains themselves swimming and jogging and 3+ times per week since they're little, their lungal capacities are as much as 50% larger than guys who don't work out.

If you just hit the gym after your 30's, your lungs WON'T be bigger... but swimming always help :D
 
OK, any studies on persons who started serious training as adults?

I should add I did a lot of jogging in that time too, starting at age 29. Spring through summer, most years building up to run 7+ miles three times a week till I got in my mid 40's when I got too big and heavy.

And I used to do some underwater swimming. The heavier I got, the less distance I could do, no matter how hard I tried.

Now that I'm shrinking back to my age 30 weight I feel MUCH younger. Running is so much easier and I can even sprint a bit.:mrgreen:
 
JMaj:

Have you ever smoked? Does anyone in your family have a history of asthma, chronic bronchitis, or alpha-1 antitrypsin (genetic emphysema), or emphysema? I never smoked, but developed symptoms of asthma at age 60. My FEV1 went from 140% of predicted at age 50, to 118% of predicted at age 61, despite years of triathlon training (or, possibly, because of it). Some of the biggest physical changes will occur in your body in the next ten years. Testosterone levels will drop, lung capacity will drop, heart stroke volume will drop, and, for some, those aren't the "unkindest drops of all". :) I'm very lucky because I had huge lung capacity from years of sports and from my genetics.

But, COPD is the fastest growing disease cluster in the world. If you smoked, your chances of getting emphysema, chronic bronchitis, or asthma are significantly higher. Don't smoke and if you have asthma in your family, get tested for it and get treated. Untreated asthma can cause emphysema.

You seem to be doing the right things to prepare for your senior years. Get as much high level functionality now as you can, without overdoing it. I hope your knees hold out too. :) Lots of guys have to quit because of knees or back problems. Staying thin will help. Staying strong also helps. Lifting will keep your testosterone levels up too. :)

-Robert
 
Turning Pro said:
lol,345lb?what a geek.stop lying to yourself,you're a sad obsessed federer fan who cried to himself when fed lost the match against nadal with match points.nuff said.
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Just because you can't, doesn't mean nobody else can. Meet me in person and tell me I can't bench over 300 lbs..
 
JMaj said:
I started weight training at 27 and have continued to age 51. Something to consider based on my own experience is that while muscles can get bigger the lungs don't. I had medicals done at my company which included lung capacity testing and results from each medical were virtually identical ( tested every two years from age 29 to 50).

I'd be interested to hear from anyone else who's had similar testing.
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I don't think this would be completely true, I am sure the lungs will increase surface area for absorbtion of oxygen to some extent, ie enderence athletes, triathelons, bikers, swimmers,ect

These peoples hearts increase in size, same for the arteries ect.

If you are say that you had no increase and all you did was use weights and run a bit here and there, then of course you would have no increase, you did not work for it.
 
Rickson said:
Just because you can't doesn't mean nobody else can. Meet me in person and tell me I can't bench over 300 lbs..
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Well what is your age, height, weight? If you are short and a high fat percentage I would completely believe it.
 
jackson vile said:
I don't think this would be completely true, I am sure the lungs will increase surface area for absorbtion of oxygen to some extent, ie enderence athletes, triathelons, bikers, swimmers,ect

These peoples hearts increase in size, same for the arteries ect.

If you are say that you had no increase and all you did was use weights and run a bit here and there, then of course you would have no increase, you did not work for it.
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The lungs don't grow after puberty. In fact, I believe most of our lung tissue is grown at a much earlier age. Also, you lose lung function gradually with age. Everyone loses lung function with age. Some lose more than others. It depends on a host of variables, but mainly which diseases you get, and which you avoid.

-Robert
 
jackson vile said:
Well what is your age, height, weight? If you are short and a high fat percentage I would completely believe it.
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Bodyfat's low atm, but it was kind of high some months ago. At the time I was pressing 3 plates on each side, my bodyfat was definitely low so your theory is kind of off there.
 
I believe Rickson could bench 345#. It's not that huge a number. Not all tennis fanatics are the stereotypical thin athlete. I'm 6'3", 225#. I would say 15-18 of the starters on my high school football team benched over 300# and everyone on my college team benched over 300#, even our punter, who was quite big and strong for a kicker. If Rickson was a personal trainer and worked out for years, it's not that unbelievable. One of my best friends on my college team was a 180# receiver and benched 375#. He really wasn't that muscular but was very solid and strong.
 
Kevin T said:
I believe Rickson could bench 345#. It's not that huge a number. Not all tennis fanatics are the stereotypical thin athlete. I'm 6'3", 225#. I would say 15-18 of the starters on my high school football team benched over 300# and everyone on my college team benched over 300#, even our punter, who was quite big and strong for a kicker. If Rickson was a personal trainer and worked out for years, it's not that unbelievable. One of my best friends on my college team was a 180# receiver and benched 375#. He really wasn't that muscular but was very solid and strong.
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Kev, you're a wise man and I can tell that you have a lot of experience in the weight room. Size doesn't necessarily make someone strong, workout intensity makes one strong. I've seen fat guys who couldn't lift as much as some women yet they looked as strong as bulls. I've also seen thin guys who could lift an incredible amount of weight, but they didn't appear strong. One thing that is hard to find is someone who is extremely muscular and not strong. I'm not talking a Bruce Lee type physique, I mean something like a Ronnie Coleman type because I don't believe it possible for Ronnie Coleman or other IFBB pros to become that big and muscular by lifting "light" weights. As big and strong as Coleman is, he still can't match the power of champion powerlifters so before anyone comes up with that comparison, I already know it, but I reiterate that Coleman's massive physique did not come from lifting light to moderate weights. You need some serious weights to get that kind of size.

ronnie_coleman.jpg
 
joe sch said:
Rickson, here is a interesting question:
If you put a 20 pound pot belly or 10 pounds of ripped biceps, shoulders and chest on Federer (each side 10x2), which would be the biggest handicap ?
I would say the ripped muscles since they usually limit flexibility.
Cheers, Joe
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The 20 lbs. of pot belly would hurt Federer much more than 10 lbs. of added muscle on the left and right. Who's more flexible, a gymnast or a fat man? Being muscular making you stiff is a myth. The most flexible people in the world are muscular and here's an interesting fact; fat takes up more space than muscle so having high bodyfat is more likely to make you less flexible than being thickly muscled.
 
chess9 said:
JMaj:

Have you ever smoked? Does anyone in your family have a history of asthma, chronic bronchitis, or alpha-1 antitrypsin (genetic emphysema), or emphysema? I never smoked, but developed symptoms of asthma at age 60. My FEV1 went from 140% of predicted at age 50, to 118% of predicted at age 61, despite years of triathlon training (or, possibly, because of it). Some of the biggest physical changes will occur in your body in the next ten years. Testosterone levels will drop, lung capacity will drop, heart stroke volume will drop, and, for some, those aren't the "unkindest drops of all". :) I'm very lucky because I had huge lung capacity from years of sports and from my genetics.

But, COPD is the fastest growing disease cluster in the world. If you smoked, your chances of getting emphysema, chronic bronchitis, or asthma are significantly higher. Don't smoke and if you have asthma in your family, get tested for it and get treated. Untreated asthma can cause emphysema.

You seem to be doing the right things to prepare for your senior years. Get as much high level functionality now as you can, without overdoing it. I hope your knees hold out too. :) Lots of guys have to quit because of knees or back problems. Staying thin will help. Staying strong also helps. Lifting will keep your testosterone levels up too. :)

-Robert
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Never smoked, no genetic/familial emphysema. Lived virtually my whole life in areas with moderate to very low air pollution.

I'm on a diet (since mid March, coincident with (re)starting tennis play), started at 189, currently 162, target 150. I'm 5'9". Laver is not a bad role model I figure.

Joints are all in good shape. My knees are probably the best part of me.
 
Rickson said:
The 20 lbs. of pot belly would hurt Federer much more than 10 lbs. of added muscle on the left and right. Who's more flexible, a gymnast or a fat man? Being muscular making you stiff is a myth. The most flexible people in the world are muscular and here's an interesting fact; fat takes up more space than muscle so having high bodyfat is more likely to make you less flexible than being thickly muscled.
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The most flexible people in the world are not muscular. They are thin. No fat, no muscle. Where are you getting your wrong information from?
 
If Fed put on 10 -20 lbs. of solid muscle he would dominate even more. I gained about 25 lbs. of muscle in college and felt on top of the world - greatly improved basketball & tennis results.
 
ramseszerg said:
The most flexible people in the world are not muscular. They are thin. No fat, no muscle. Where are you getting your wrong information from?
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Gymnasts are muscular and flexible.
 
Sorry, I ain't buyin it.... I'm 33 and when I'm in great shape, like 6 pack and all I'm about 175ish. I'm probably 190 right now. I've been lifting for a LONG time and EXTREMELY strict on form. I haven't maxed in years but I'm guessing I can't do more than 285 or so, maybe a bit more. The difference is when I do chest, the bar comes completely down and touchs my chest. IT doesn't come down half way or bounce violently like LOTS of people I see in the gym.

I'm willing to bet lots of money that if you do reps that way I do, there's no chance in hell of you getting 385 up.

Don't mean to sound like a jerk... I've spotted loads of people who think they can max 385 yet I'm the one about to get a hernia trying to dead lift the thing!
 
tpe11etier said:
Sorry, I ain't buyin it.... I'm 33 and when I'm in great shape, like 6 pack and all I'm about 175ish. I'm probably 190 right now. I've been lifting for a LONG time and EXTREMELY strict on form. I haven't maxed in years but I'm guessing I can't do more than 285 or so, maybe a bit more. The difference is when I do chest, the bar comes completely down and touchs my chest. IT doesn't come down half way or bounce violently like LOTS of people I see in the gym.

I'm willing to bet lots of money that if you do reps that way I do, there's no chance in hell of you getting 385 up.

Don't mean to sound like a jerk... I've spotted loads of people who think they can max 385 yet I'm the one about to get a hernia trying to dead lift the thing!
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You referring to me? First of all, I don't believe in spotters because if you can't get the weight up yourself, you can't press that weight. Secondly, whatever I max out with is not done by using momentum of a violent bounce nor do I bring the bar down halfway. I've seen guys in the gym using heavy dumbbells and getting a spot from the first rep on. I take 125 lb. dumbbells (the gym's max dumbbell), kick up the weights from my knees, and get every rep by myself. If I need a spot for that first rep, I'm not really pressing the weight so you can take your belief of spotting people on their alleged max and apply it to someone else. The guys you refer to are fooling themselves about what their max is, but I'm a weightlifter, a real weightlifter.
 
Rickson said:
The 20 lbs. of pot belly would hurt Federer much more than 10 lbs. of added muscle on the left and right. Who's more flexible, a gymnast or a fat man? Being muscular making you stiff is a myth. The most flexible people in the world are muscular and here's an interesting fact; fat takes up more space than muscle so having high bodyfat is more likely to make you less flexible than being thickly muscled.
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I have always lifted weights and played other sports (basketball, football & track) in addition to tennis. Im a firm believer in weight training. On the other hand, I never realized how inflexible I really was, until I started doing yoga several years ago. This has helped my tennis game more than weight training. This is really where my question was coming from. The bottom line is I think most people should weight train and dont think most people will ever need to worry about gettting too massive or muscle bound. I think this is what most of the posters in this thread are stating.
 
joe sch said:
I have always lifted weights and played other sports (basketball, football & track) in addition to tennis. Im a firm believer in weight training. On the other hand, I never realized how inflexible I really was, until I started doing yoga several years ago. This has helped my tennis game more than weight training. This is really where my question was coming from. The bottom line is I think most people should weight train and dont think most people will ever need to worry about gettting too massive or muscle bound. I think this is what most of the posters in this thread are stating.
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Bingo! You da' man Joe. :) I agree completely. For tennis, strength and flexibility are important. Look at a guy like Paradorn Srichipan. The guy is very fit-maybe 7% or less body fat-but he can do the splits! As every guy knows, that is huge for a male. I've never been able to do the splits, though I'm pretty flexible still for an old fart. :) I stretch every day, but I'm starting Yoga this coming week to see if I can get more flexibility.

-Robert
 
tpe11etier said:
Sorry, I ain't buyin it.... I'm 33 and when I'm in great shape, like 6 pack and all I'm about 175ish. I'm probably 190 right now. I've been lifting for a LONG time and EXTREMELY strict on form. I haven't maxed in years but I'm guessing I can't do more than 285 or so, maybe a bit more. The difference is when I do chest, the bar comes completely down and touchs my chest. IT doesn't come down half way or bounce violently like LOTS of people I see in the gym.
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Listen, type 2 diabetes. As I stated to another poster, just because you can't, doesn't mean I can't. What's the big deal? I happen to be much stronger than you. You lift little girly weights and I lift 3 plates on each side and heavier.
 
Posted this last year, just for the record, Earl Boykins, 5'5" guard for the Denver Nuggets benches 300-315# max and weighs 133#. He can bench more than any other player on that team. Steve Nash, Dallas Maverick guard squats over 400# while standing on a wobble board. Finally, Ben Wallace of the Detroit Pistons benches over 475#. These guys really look like gym rats.
Earl Boykins justs looks like a collegiate wrestler IMHO, at least the few schools with a male wrestling program.
 
Rickson said:
Listen, type 2 diabetes. As I stated to another poster, just because you can't, doesn't mean I can't. What's the big deal? I happen to be much stronger than you. You lift little girly weights and I lift 3 plates on each side and heavier.
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Haha...Rickson, you're the man. I think you could bench 350+ lbs., but I have no idea why everyone else thinks you can't. Maybe it's the girly avatar? ;)

Maybe you should post a video on YouTube of you benching that much. That would show 'em!
 
Jon Hampton said:
Haha...Rickson, you're the man. I think you could bench 350+ lbs., but I have no idea why everyone else thinks you can't. Maybe it's the girly avatar? ;)

Maybe you should post a video on YouTube of you benching that much. That would show 'em!
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HAHAHA, maybe Jessica Alba is influencing them the wrong way. I'll change it right now to a real Rickson avatar.
 
Rickson said:
Listen, type 2 diabetes. As I stated to another poster, just because you can't, doesn't mean I can't. What's the big deal? I happen to be much stronger than you. You lift little girly weights and I lift 3 plates on each side and heavier.
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LOL! Now that's funny. Internet Tuff guy! HaHa...

Like I said , your form most likely sucks... Fatty... LOL!
 
tpe11etier said:
LOL! Now that's funny. Internet Tuff guy! HaHa...

Like I said , your form most likely sucks... Fatty... LOL!
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BWAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, it sucks enough to press 3 plates on each side while you can't even do 2 plates. I rep out with more than you max, fatboy.
 
Rickson said:
BWAHAHAHAHA! Yeah, it sucks enough to press 3 plates on each side while you can't even do 2 plates. I rep out with more than you max, fatboy.
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If your so confident to post a whole thread on your manlyness then go ahead and post a video donkey boy. I'll put 100 bucks down that says:

A: You won't post the video
B: If you do, it will be the saddest bench press I've ever seen.

Have at it tuff guy...
 
Rickson said:
I know a lot of you guys and females especially are worried about getting big muscles, but let's be for real, it's not easy to get big. If it were easy to get big with quality muscle, pro bodybuilders wouldn't be using steroids. When I worked as a trainer many years ago, I heard too many women talk about how they didn't want to get overlymuscular and I had to hold myself back from laughing. How muscular can you get by using that 5 lb. dumbbell? I've bench pressed 345 lbs. and I've never considered myself overly muscular and I only wish I could become "overly muscular". Lifting weights that I wouldn't even consider for a warmup will not get you "huge" so stop worrying about getting too big from muscle and hit the gym. Added muscle helps you burn calories and can only help you. If you're really worried about getting "big", stop eating a lot because fat will make you much bigger than muscles will so eat less, workout more and don't be afraid of gaining muscle. Muscle is your friend.
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I saw your video on youtube and you looked pretty muscular
 
tpe11etier said:
If your so confident to post a whole thread on your manlyness then go ahead and post a video donkey boy. I'll put 100 bucks down that says:

A: You won't post the video
B: If you do, it will be the saddest bench press I've ever seen.

Have at it tuff guy...
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Send over a video cam and you got a deal, loser.
 
chess9 said:
Bingo! You da' man Joe. :) I agree completely. For tennis, strength and flexibility are important. Look at a guy like Paradorn Srichipan. The guy is very fit-maybe 7% or less body fit-but he can do the splits! As every guy knows, that is huge for a male. I've never been able to do the splits, though I'm pretty flexible still for an old fart. :) I stretch every day, but I'm starting Yoga this coming week to see if I can get more flexibility.

-Robert
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Robert, The yoga will really help you with tennis. Just try to take it slowly and since our bodies were not make to get flexible fast, especially when we get older. I have been doing yoga for 2 years now and I have make great progress but went too far a few times and it took a few months to recover. Similar to weight training.
 
tpe11etier said:
Make me... LOL!

Gawd, you sure are an attention seeking wank...

I can bench press 900 lbs. Really I can! I'm so bad arse!! Puhahahahaha
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Tell you what, moron. Why don't you come around to the NYC area and hit a gym with me? If you're such a tough guy, I can manage a grappling match with you too in one of the gyms I worked at. What do you say, tough guy?
 
Roddick The Beast said:
^ Rickson is an angry person. Watch what he has to say to you next! :mrgreen: in 3-2-1 . . . :D
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I've noticed. Now he wants to roll around with me and touch me funny. Some folks are just so lonely...
 
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