Gimelstob clarifies Nadal's injury

sureshs

Bionic Poster
He said just now from the Cincy box that Nadal told him after the FO that his knees were very tender and was very open about his fears of his post-career ability to lead an active life.

So it is clear that Nadal was injured in the Rosol match.

As we know, Nadal loses only when he is injured.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
He feared his ability to lead an active life post-career? :lol: What, like joining the rest of the adult world?

He should be more worried about what people will think when he's out at dinner with them and stands up to adjust his underwear and scratch his nose every 3 minutes.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
He said just now from the Cincy box that Nadal told him after the FO that his knees were very tender and was very open about his fears of his post-career ability to lead an active life.

So it is clear that Nadal was injured in the Rosol match.

As we know, Nadal loses only when he is injured.
İf things really that bad.I will miss a lot and not ready to see him retire but he better retires if thats the case.He has won all the majors anyway plus he is multimillionaire.It would be stupid to risk his life time health.
 

Rjtennis

Hall of Fame
I heard that too. It probably smart that he is thinking about his life after tennis. Why do people think he is faking this injury? What would be the logic to do that? You can dislike Nadal but you cant deny that he is a fierce, no-fear competitor.
 
He feared his ability to lead an active life post-career? :lol: What, like joining the rest of the adult world?

He should be more worried about what people will think when he's out at dinner with them and stands up to adjust his underwear and scratch his nose every 3 minutes.
Don't be mad Nancy. It's just tennis :twisted:
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Fan is short for 'fanatic' and they possess no logic at all.



I heard that too. It probably smart that he is thinking about his life after tennis. Why do people think he is faking this injury? What would be the logic to do that? You can dislike Nadal but you cant deny that he is a fierce, no-fear competitor.
 

Tony48

Legend
This is just like the Fed mono drama. Looks fine, plays fine, expected to get to the final and break another record.

Then comes the unexpected loss that shocks the world and they were supposedly on their deathbeds.

Only difference is Fed made his excuse and moved on while Nadal is dragging out in an attempt to give his story more credence (or maybe he actually is a hypochondriac).
 

jokinla

Hall of Fame
He feared his ability to lead an active life post-career? :lol: What, like joining the rest of the adult world?

He should be more worried about what people will think when he's out at dinner with them and stands up to adjust his underwear and scratch his nose every 3 minutes.
And when he is eating at Benihana, they'll wonder why he is wearing giant padded gloves.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
He said just now from the Cincy box that Nadal told him after the FO that his knees were very tender and was very open about his fears of his post-career ability to lead an active life.

So it is clear that Nadal was injured in the Rosol match.
LOL, So when did he get injured. Before the Rosol match, but after winning FO decisively without dropping a set. :rollseyes:

Does fishing and Poker involve the knees ?
 
This is just like the Fed mono drama. Looks fine, plays fine, expected to get to the final and break another record.

Then comes the unexpected loss that shocks the world and they were supposedly on their deathbeds.

Only difference is Fed made his excuse and moved on while Nadal is dragging out in an attempt to give his story more credence (or maybe he actually is a hypochondriac).
People on this forum are the lowest of the low and you are no different.

Seriously, the guy has chronic knee issues. He pulled out of the US Open... so he's faking it? You genuinely think he's faking it?
 

Tony48

Legend
People on this forum are the lowest of the low and you are no different.

Seriously, the guy has chronic knee issues. He pulled out of the US Open... so he's faking it? You genuinely think he's faking it?
I saw this episode back in 2009.

Of course I'm aware of Nadal's knee issues, but this is EXACTLY like 2009. Is Nadal totally incapable of being upset and then playing the next major? He really takes the "can't lose unless injured" theory to a whole new level. Now it's more like "can't lose unless on the brink of retirement".
 

Djoker

Rookie
This is just like the Fed mono drama. Looks fine, plays fine, expected to get to the final and break another record.

Then comes the unexpected loss that shocks the world and they were supposedly on their deathbeds.

Only difference is Fed made his excuse and moved on while Nadal is dragging out in an attempt to give his story more credence (or maybe he actually is a hypochondriac).
I approve of this post.
 

6-1 6-3 6-0

Banned
LOL, So when did he get injured. Before the Rosol match, but after winning FO decisively without dropping a set. :rollseyes:

Does fishing and Poker involve the knees ?
He lost a 6-2 set to Djokovic in the Roland Garros 2012 final (that was the only set he lost, and was broken only once in the tournament leading up to the final, and that was in the first round against Bolelli).
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure why I am posting this here instead of in any of the other Nadal threads, but here is my opinion:

I think Nadal's knees are hurt. I think they've been hurting for a long time, but he puts up with it and plays through the pain with shear will power.

The previous diagnosis we've heard for him is tendonitis. I've had that before in my Achilles, bicep, knee, and elbow at different times, and it sucks... and I didn't have to make a living playing tennis.

Because tendonitis involves microscopic tears in the tendon, it's a nagging pain that never seems to heal (unless you stop everything, like Nadal seems to be doing), and can really be bad at random times. However, you can certainly play through this type of injury and pain if you are motivated. Despite this type of injury, it's realistic that Nadal could continue to play at a top level, like he did at the French, especially with the aid of pain killers and anti-inflammatory medications.

I believe Nadal was highly motivated to win the French Open this year, and did whatever it took to attain that title. He was very emotional after that match, moreso than usual, in my opinion. Once that was accomplished, I'm guessing he had a mental letdown. Losing at Wimbledon early just compounded that. I think he's burned out mentally with tennis, and is not willing to play through the pain in his knees.

Rather than keep training, I think he's thrown in the towel, and is resting up for a couple months in hope that the tendonitis will heal fully, and his mind will be refreshed. I've seen this kind of thing happen before with Mats Wilander. He reached the top of the rankings, had some minor injuries, and just lost motivation to keep fighting. Wilander's injuries were not as severe or chronic as Nadal's, but I think the mental aspects that he experienced are the same as Nadal because they both play a grinding style of tennis.

The real test will be in a couple months, after Nadal has taken his break. Will he be as motivated as before, or will he realize that life on the beach is more fun than battling for titles on gimpy knees against opponents that want to stomp on his throat (since Federer, Djokovic, and Murray all have losing records against him, and have scores to settle)?

Of course, as Dennis Miller used to say... that's just my opinion... I could be wrong!
 

rafan

Hall of Fame
He feared his ability to lead an active life post-career? :lol: What, like joining the rest of the adult world?

He should be more worried about what people will think when he's out at dinner with them and stands up to adjust his underwear and scratch his nose every 3 minutes.
What do you mean by the rest of the 'adult world'? Do you mean some of the ones that sit on their butt and envy the great achievers by writing ridiculous comments while eating yet anther doughnut? Or the people who want to achieve something by working hard to get near to someone like Nadal who is an example to us all that it is possible to achieve your goal
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
What do you mean by the rest of the 'adult world'? Do you mean some of the ones that sit on their butt.....
I mean the vast majority of people have some form of reduction in physical ability as they age. It's what happens when you age.

Regardless of what you do to delay it, age hinders everyone in some physical way eventually. Despairing about it is meh!
 

smoledman

G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure why I am posting this here instead of in any of the other Nadal threads, but here is my opinion:

I think Nadal's knees are hurt. I think they've been hurting for a long time, but he puts up with it and plays through the pain with shear will power.

The previous diagnosis we've heard for him is tendonitis. I've had that before in my Achilles, bicep, knee, and elbow at different times, and it sucks... and I didn't have to make a living playing tennis.

Because tendonitis involves microscopic tears in the tendon, it's a nagging pain that never seems to heal (unless you stop everything, like Nadal seems to be doing), and can really be bad at random times. However, you can certainly play through this type of injury and pain if you are motivated. Despite this type of injury, it's realistic that Nadal could continue to play at a top level, like he did at the French, especially with the aid of pain killers and anti-inflammatory medications.

I believe Nadal was highly motivated to win the French Open this year, and did whatever it took to attain that title. He was very emotional after that match, moreso than usual, in my opinion. Once that was accomplished, I'm guessing he had a mental letdown. Losing at Wimbledon early just compounded that. I think he's burned out mentally with tennis, and is not willing to play through the pain in his knees.

Rather than keep training, I think he's thrown in the towel, and is resting up for a couple months in hope that the tendonitis will heal fully, and his mind will be refreshed. I've seen this kind of thing happen before with Mats Wilander. He reached the top of the rankings, had some minor injuries, and just lost motivation to keep fighting. Wilander's injuries were not as severe or chronic as Nadal's, but I think the mental aspects that he experienced are the same as Nadal because they both play a grinding style of tennis.

The real test will be in a couple months, after Nadal has taken his break. Will he be as motivated as before, or will he realize that life on the beach is more fun than battling for titles on gimpy knees against opponents that want to stomp on his throat (since Federer, Djokovic, and Murray all have losing records against him, and have scores to settle)?

Of course, as Dennis Miller used to say... that's just my opinion... I could be wrong!
Great post, that's the 5-star analysis we need more of on this site instead of endless trolling.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
LOL, So when did he get injured. Before the Rosol match, but after winning FO decisively without dropping a set. :rollseyes:

Does fishing and Poker involve the knees ?
He did not "get" injured. He was always injured and hence his tender knees.
 

tistrapukcipeht

Professional
Nadal delivers again.

What is it?

Couldn't He get enough time to get clean and pass the tests here in US, I'm sure Spain doesn't care in England and US He had to be tested.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Gimelstob said you cannot separate Nadal's strengths from his weaknesses as his physicality is part of his package.

Is that true? Can't someone hit the same amount of topspin and others shots like Rafa, yet not run and jump so much? Or are his shots possible only because he is able to get to them by running?
 

President

Legend
Gimelstob said you cannot separate Nadal's strengths from his weaknesses as his physicality is part of his package.

Is that true? Can't someone hit the same amount of topspin and others shots like Rafa, yet not run and jump so much? Or are his shots possible only because he is able to get to them by running?
Without Nadal's movement and athleticism you have Igor Andreev basically...:oops:
 

Evan77

Banned
I don't doubt that Rafa has problems with his knees. I wish him luck.

My bigger problem is that Federina has a big problem with her ego and her brain. that sort of injury is hard to cure. probably impossible.

her mono shmono excuse after Djoko destroyed her at the AO 2008 is out of this world. Prime Federina spanked like never before. unbelievable coward. at least Rafa has some personality. Shmederer might play some good tennis but as a grown up woman she is ZERO, NADA, just an arrogant biotch.
 
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Clarky21

Banned
I'm not sure why I am posting this here instead of in any of the other Nadal threads, but here is my opinion:

I think Nadal's knees are hurt. I think they've been hurting for a long time, but he puts up with it and plays through the pain with shear will power.

The previous diagnosis we've heard for him is tendonitis. I've had that before in my Achilles, bicep, knee, and elbow at different times, and it sucks... and I didn't have to make a living playing tennis.

Because tendonitis involves microscopic tears in the tendon, it's a nagging pain that never seems to heal (unless you stop everything, like Nadal seems to be doing), and can really be bad at random times. However, you can certainly play through this type of injury and pain if you are motivated. Despite this type of injury, it's realistic that Nadal could continue to play at a top level, like he did at the French, especially with the aid of pain killers and anti-inflammatory medications.

I believe Nadal was highly motivated to win the French Open this year, and did whatever it took to attain that title. He was very emotional after that match, moreso than usual, in my opinion. Once that was accomplished, I'm guessing he had a mental letdown. Losing at Wimbledon early just compounded that. I think he's burned out mentally with tennis, and is not willing to play through the pain in his knees.

Rather than keep training, I think he's thrown in the towel, and is resting up for a couple months in hope that the tendonitis will heal fully, and his mind will be refreshed. I've seen this kind of thing happen before with Mats Wilander. He reached the top of the rankings, had some minor injuries, and just lost motivation to keep fighting. Wilander's injuries were not as severe or chronic as Nadal's, but I think the mental aspects that he experienced are the same as Nadal because they both play a grinding style of tennis.

The real test will be in a couple months, after Nadal has taken his break. Will he be as motivated as before, or will he realize that life on the beach is more fun than battling for titles on gimpy knees against opponents that want to stomp on his throat (since Federer, Djokovic, and Murray all have losing records against him, and have scores to settle)?

Of course, as Dennis Miller used to say... that's just my opinion... I could be wrong!


This is just a load of verbose speculation. Nadal has tendonosis caused by years and years of ongoing tendonitis. He has been playing despite it,and cannot continue to do so any longer. Taking pain killers and anti-inflammatories are just patching the problem and not healing it. It has gotten worse because of it,and now he needs time off to heal fully instead of slapping a band aid on it with medication. All that other stuff you said is just you guessing and assuming.
 
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jmverdugo

Hall of Fame
I wonder how much Nadal is paying Gimelstob to help him out here ... ha ha ha ha, sorry I could not resist
 

rabidranger

Rookie
This is just a load of verbose speculation. Nadal has tendonosis caused by years and years of ongoing tendonitis. He has been playing despite it,and cannot continue to do so any longer. Taking pain killers and anti-inflammtories are just patching the problem and not healing it. It has gotten worse because of it,and now he needs time off to heal fully instead of slapping a band aid on it with medication. All that other stuff you said is just you guessing and assuming.
Strange post. You're engaging in speculation yourself and in reality are agreeing with the poster you're trying to discredit.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
Strange post. You're engaging in speculation yourself and in reality are agreeing with the poster you're trying to discredit.
Yes, I thought the same thing. Perhaps Clarky21 was just trying to get his (or her) post count up. Overall, Clarky21 does seem to agree with my premise, but didn't like my writing style and word count. That's OK, I've endured that criticism before. His (or her) summary of the tendonosis (born from the chronic tendonitis) was more concise than mine.

Obviously what I wrote is speculation. I stated that it was my opinion clearly at the beginning of my post and again in the end. I'm not inside Nadal's head, I'm not his doctor, and I'm not his coach. However, I've been around tennis for almost 30 years now in various capacities, so I can take an experienced, logical guess on what is happening. Anyone can feel free to agree or disagree with me, since this is a discussion board.
 

Clarky21

Banned
Strange post. You're engaging in speculation yourself and in reality are agreeing with the poster you're trying to discredit.


I'm not speculating anything unlike Jack the hack,who did nothing but guess,assume,and speculate about everything from Nadal's injury to his mental state and motivation. Everything I said about the tendonosis and taking meds all the time for it being just a patch is exactly what Toni Nadal himself has said,along with Nadal's doctor. His tendonitis has gotten progressively worse and he cannot continue to cover up the pain with meds. How are facts about his condition speculation?
 
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Sid_Vicious

G.O.A.T.
I don't doubt that Rafa has problems with his knees. I wish him luck.

My bigger problem is that Federina has a big problem with her ego and her brain. that sort of injury is hard to cure. probably impossible.

her mono shmono excuse after Djoko destroyed her at the AO 2008 is out of this world. Prime Federina spanked like never before. unbelievable coward. at least Rafa has some personality. Shmederer might play some good tennis but as a grown up woman she is ZERO, NADA, just an arrogant biotch.
Funny to see Evan77 get banned. Just a few hours ago he was on his high horse telling Tushar to stop "polluting this forum" for making one thread, which was honestly not even a bad thread. Shameless hypocrisy.
 

Gonzalito17

Banned
Not sure If I'm buying it. Nadal said in Australia the day before day one it was the worst pain he ever felt, yet made the finals. Just not buying it. I think there's a lot more to this story than anyone in tennis wants to say. He looked perfectly healthy vs. Rosol who just blew him off the court with power and precision.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
This is just a load of verbose speculation. Nadal has tendonosis caused by years and years of ongoing tendonitis. He has been playing despite it,and cannot continue to do so any longer. Taking pain killers and anti-inflammatories are just patching the problem and not healing it. It has gotten worse because of it,and now he needs time off to heal fully instead of slapping a band aid on it with medication. All that other stuff you said is just you guessing and assuming.
the clay grind must have done him in, he said in march his knees were better than ever and he played with minimal discomfort in 2010 and 2011.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
I'm not speculating anything unlike Jack the hack,who did nothing but guess,assume,and speculate about everything from Nadal's injury to his mental state and motivation. Everything I said about the tendonosis and taking meds all the time for it being just a patch is exactly what Toni Nadal himself has said,along with Nadal's doctor. His tendonitis has gotten progressively worse and he cannot continue to cover up the pain with meds. How are facts about his condition speculation?
You are speculating that the current injury that is keeping Nadal off the tour is the tendonosis. That's the same thing I said. However, some posters have argued that Nadal didn't seem injured when winning the French or in his match with Rosol. However, a tennis player is still capable of playing at top performance with tendonosis, but they have to have the will power to endure the pain. Anti-inflammatory meds and pain killers help, but they can cause additional issues with long term use. So, in addition to the tendonosis, that's why I feel that Nadal has just had enough mentally and is burned out from dealing with this issue. The best way to fix tendonosis is to completely stop doing the repetitive action that is causing the problem. All of the ATP players play with a certain degree of pain from various minor injuries. Nadal's motivation to keep playing through the pain seems to be lower than his desire to heal fully at this time. But of course, that's just my opinion (or speculation)... I could be wrong.

By the way, what's wrong with speculation on this discussion forum? As long as the speculation is well reasoned, it should be valid for conversation, right? My opinion is at least based on some "facts" that we know about Nadal (the tendonosis) as compared to the folks that are trumpeting some sort of international drug conspiracy with a silent ban for Nadal. Those ideas are pretty hilarious! :)
 

Clarky21

Banned
You are speculating that the current injury that is keeping Nadal off the tour is the tendonosis. That's the same thing I said. However, some posters have argued that Nadal didn't seem injured when winning the French or in his match with Rosol. However, a tennis player is still capable of playing at top performance with tendonosis, but they have to have the will power to endure the pain. Anti-inflammatory meds and pain killers help, but they can cause additional issues with long term use. So, in addition to the tendonosis, that's why I feel that Nadal has just had enough mentally and is burned out from dealing with this issue. The best way to fix tendonosis is to completely stop doing the repetitive action that is causing the problem. All of the ATP players play with a certain degree of pain from various minor injuries. Nadal's motivation to keep playing through the pain seems to be lower than his desire to heal fully at this time. But of course, that's just my opinion (or speculation)... I could be wrong.

By the way, what's wrong with speculation on this discussion forum? As long as the speculation is well reasoned, it should be valid for conversation, right? My opinion is at least based on some "facts" that we know about Nadal (the tendonosis) as compared to the folks that are trumpeting some sort of international drug conspiracy with a silent ban for Nadal. Those ideas are pretty hilarious! :)

No I'm not. That is the diagnosis his doctor gave him. Toni Nadal talked about it in an interview just yesterday.
 

TennezSport

Hall of Fame
Well..........

Friends who worked the FO this year told me that Rafa was in the treatment room every day during the FO, after matches and practices receiving serious work. He may have to take the rest of the season off (all HC tournys from here on) and get aggressive thearpy, or he may have to go through reconstructive surgery.

I remember when docs told Steffi Graf that is she didn't stop, she would be in a wheelchair by age 40, so this may be why Rafa made his statement. If it is that serious and after 4 PRP treatments this year alone, Rafa may be at a crossroads with his knees, if truely injured. Only time will tell.

Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
No I'm not. That is the diagnosis his doctor gave him. Toni Nadal talked about it in an interview just yesterday.
So... if we agree that tendonosis is the cause of Nadal's injury, can we speculate in a reasonable way about why Nadal was able to withstand the pain throughout the French Open and Wimbledon, but can't play through it now?

My opinion is that he could indeed continue to play through the pain, using anti-inflammatory and pain killing medications, and still be involved in the Olympics, Toronto, Cincinnati, and the US Open if he really was motivated to do so. However, I think he's mentally fatigued from this issue, and doesn't see the benefit of playing verses taking a couple months off to (hopefully) deal with this problem properly. Do you disagree with this?
 

Jay_The_Nomad

Professional
Only difference is Fed made his excuse and moved on while Nadal is dragging out in an attempt to give his story more credence (or maybe he actually is a hypochondriac).
Do you really believe in what you are saying or are you just trolling the nadal fans?

Because that is such an unintelligent comment!
 
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Jay_The_Nomad

Professional
I'm not sure why I am posting this here instead of in any of the other Nadal threads, but here is my opinion:

I think Nadal's knees are hurt. I think they've been hurting for a long time, but he puts up with it and plays through the pain with shear will power.

The previous diagnosis we've heard for him is tendonitis. I've had that before in my Achilles, bicep, knee, and elbow at different times, and it sucks... and I didn't have to make a living playing tennis.

Because tendonitis involves microscopic tears in the tendon, it's a nagging pain that never seems to heal (unless you stop everything, like Nadal seems to be doing), and can really be bad at random times. However, you can certainly play through this type of injury and pain if you are motivated. Despite this type of injury, it's realistic that Nadal could continue to play at a top level, like he did at the French, especially with the aid of pain killers and anti-inflammatory medications.

I believe Nadal was highly motivated to win the French Open this year, and did whatever it took to attain that title. He was very emotional after that match, moreso than usual, in my opinion. Once that was accomplished, I'm guessing he had a mental letdown. Losing at Wimbledon early just compounded that. I think he's burned out mentally with tennis, and is not willing to play through the pain in his knees.

Rather than keep training, I think he's thrown in the towel, and is resting up for a couple months in hope that the tendonitis will heal fully, and his mind will be refreshed. I've seen this kind of thing happen before with Mats Wilander. He reached the top of the rankings, had some minor injuries, and just lost motivation to keep fighting. Wilander's injuries were not as severe or chronic as Nadal's, but I think the mental aspects that he experienced are the same as Nadal because they both play a grinding style of tennis.

The real test will be in a couple months, after Nadal has taken his break. Will he be as motivated as before, or will he realize that life on the beach is more fun than battling for titles on gimpy knees against opponents that want to stomp on his throat (since Federer, Djokovic, and Murray all have losing records against him, and have scores to settle)?

Of course, as Dennis Miller used to say... that's just my opinion... I could be wrong!
The thing about tendinitis is that almost every pro tennis player has it in some form or other due to the nature of the game. Some players are lucky either because they have a less demanding game that allows them to recover between tournaments or because they are naturally resilient.

But unfortunately for players like nadal, he has no time to recover from the tendinitis. And it is something that is cumulative and adds up over the years. The only cure really is rest which as we know pro players do not have.

And when I say rest I am talking at least 6 months continuous rest because bear in mind the amount of accumulated strain over the years.

IMO, Nadal has already missed 2 months plus of tennis and he should just take the opportunity to really go all out and rest those knees and reset the clock. If he were to come back now, then those two months would be a waste from a rehabilitation point of view.

If he doesn't, then the condition will just get worse and worse and overtime he will develop athritic degeneration of the joints.

He is still young but he is now at a cross road. From age 26 onwards the body will slowly become less resilient to injury so he needs to let his body recover while it is still able to.
 
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