Gimelstob our at Tennis Channel Armitraj in?

#1
https://nypost.com/2018/11/22/forme...elstob-arrested-over-brutal-halloween-attack/

Seems old Justin finally snapped. Lleyton Hewitt has called on the ATPto act. I say good on you Rusty.

I saw the Tennis Channel had former “pro” Prakash Armitraj in tow.

Things have gone from bad to terrible with the move. Armitraj is a self-described “world class pro” who has lived off his father and uncles and their mediocre careers which shaded anything the younger Armitraj ever did. His knowledge of tennis and ability to convey same are...well horrible.

He is definitely cause to mute the sound.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
#2
Justin drove me completely nuts as a commentator, with the stupid phrases he would repeat like a broken record:

“He gets the energy from the ground...”
“Look how he brings the ball up and down...”
“That’s a tipping point shot...”

Thank the Good Lord that crap may be over with.

But, I share your fears @Rabbit - Prakash may be even more of a stooge, with even less credibility. Perhaps though, he doesn’t assault people. So maybe that’s why he’s in the chair...for now.
 
#3
I never cared for Gimelstob as a commentator or reviewer. I'm trying to think if I've actually heard Prakash and just assumed he was Vijay. In any case he's ok. I like his accent at the least. Most tennis commentators talk too much and don't really tell us anything we don't already know.
 
#5
@WestboroChe Prakash was born and raised in LA. He has a SoCal accent, so his one like for you is gone.

@Shaolin he is that bad. He likes even more than Gimelstob (who was better) to go on about when he was a world class pro. And how he played Davis Cup —forget the fact he was born raised educated and lived and still lives in the US — he played for India and I don’t think ever won a match.
 
#6
@WestboroChe Prakash was born and raised in LA. He has a SoCal accent, so his one like for you is gone.

@Shaolin he is that bad. He likes even more than Gimelstob (who was better) to go on about when he was a world class pro. And how he played Davis Cup —forget the fact he was born raised educated and lived and still lives in the US — he played for India and I don’t think ever won a match.
I must be thinking of someone else then. The guy I’m thinking of has a definite Indian/British accent.
 
#7
@WestboroChe Prakash was born and raised in LA. He has a SoCal accent, so his one like for you is gone.

@Shaolin he is that bad. He likes even more than Gimelstob (who was better) to go on about when he was a world class pro. And how he played Davis Cup —forget the fact he was born raised educated and lived and still lives in the US — he played for India and I don’t think ever won a match.
I believe you I've just never heard him go on like that myself. Seemed like he didnt say much at all which was one thing I liked. Maybe I was just happy not to hear Annacone or god forbid Arias or Shriver.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
#9
Just as a bit of an aside...is it a sure thing that Gimelstob’s roles at Tennis Channel and ATP are over? Can anyone see him coming back to Tennis Channel after this? Maybe he can continue calling matches if he wears aviators and a Top Gun hat?
 
#10
@am1899 , no that is speculation on my part based on his "alleged" assault of a millionaire venture capitalist in front of his wife and 2-year old daughter on the streets of LA.
 

Nostradamus

Talk Tennis Guru
#13
Gimmel is the BEST commentator that tennis channel ever had. and not sure what is up but it would be a terrible loss for tennis channel. and Prakash so far from what I have seen from him is very witty and very smart with his commentating. he looks like a very smart commentator. only dodo birds would think he is no good.
 
#14
For what it is worth, I actually really like Gimelstob as a commentator, except for his derogatory remarks about women. When he sticks to the tennis, I really like his energy.

With that said, this is really great move from Hewitt. It is a great thing for the ATP to remove Gimelstob, and it is also the first stage of Gimelstob's recovery to receive some much needed firm discipline and tough love. He has had a very rocky private life for a long time but he has been indulged too long without facing consequences when he has acted out.

What Hewitt is saying is that the buck stops here, something that should have happened a long time ago.

In all honesty, he should have been sanctioned for some of his behaviours at Wimbledon earlier this year.

Will definitely be interesting to see how everything works out for Gimelstob. He has a lot to lose.
Agree, he has a lot to lose, but he has also lost a great deal in the last yew years already. Extremely complicated situation. In the last few years he has lost his father, his marriage, his public reputation all while not really devoting the time he needed to making some pretty serious changes in his life in terms of impulse control and anger management. And he has always had a very turbulent home life. I hope a lot of this can go back behind private doors while it gets worked out, because this sort of stuff is hard enough to deal with anyway, without it having to be parsed through the public eye.

Of course all that is easier said than done when you are dealing with such a larger than life public figure, and admittedly a pretty "juicy" sort of tabloid story.....
 
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am1899

Hall of Fame
#16
Gimmel is the BEST commentator that tennis channel ever had.
What channel are you watching? Davenport, Knowles, Courier, and Blake are all more accomplished Tennis players than Gimelstob. By extension, they seem to me more credible color commentators. Who is more annoying is subjective, but I’ll take any of the above over Gimelstob any day of the week.

IMO the worst of the worst go to Navratilova, Austin, and Carillo. When the sound of one’s voice is that annoying, credibility is out the window.

I haven’t mentioned Annacone. I put him in the middle of the pack with Gimmelstob - an annoying blow hard who talks too much, and repeats the same sayings over and over. But he doesn’t rise to the level of annoyance as the aforementioned worst.

As far as play-by-play, I like Brett Haber and Ted Robinson. But that Steve Weismann guy is a weasel, who continues to call Nadal, “Raf Nadal,” as if he knows him personally. Is it too much to ask not to shorten, “Rafa?”
 
#20
... Amazing that the tennis world has been so quiet about this.
Other than to note the arrest what can they say ? It's still just and arrest and allegations. And if it happened the culprit could have been Tom Cruise or Val Kilmer among other suspects I'm sure are being investigated.
 
#23
https://nypost.com/2018/11/22/forme...elstob-arrested-over-brutal-halloween-attack/

Seems old Justin finally snapped. Lleyton Hewitt has called on the ATPto act. I say good on you Rusty.

I saw the Tennis Channel had former “pro” Prakash Armitraj in tow.

Things have gone from bad to terrible with the move. Armitraj is a self-described “world class pro” who has lived off his father and uncles and their mediocre careers which shaded anything the younger Armitraj ever did. His knowledge of tennis and ability to convey same are...well horrible.

He is definitely cause to mute the sound.
Prakash Armitraj has won ATP tournaments like Newport. So he is no slouch! And Vijay was a grand slam semi-finalist again more like world class mediocre than just plain old mediocre. As for sounding horrible, he is just starting out give him some time. I remember when McEnroe started commenting in the early 90's he sounded like a dumbass making a few word sentences every other point but now hear him. His perusal of matches is far and above regular analysis done by other commentators.
 
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#24
Prakash Armitraj has won ATP tournaments like Newport. So he is no slouch!
Really? What year was that win? The ATP site shows zero (0) titles for Armitraj. In 2008 he did make the finals of Newport, losing in straights to grass court legend Fabrice Santoro. Along the way, Armitraj defeated such legendary grass courters as 1R - Joseph Sirlanni, 2R - Jesse Levine, 3R - Rohan Bopanna, and Semis Frank Dancevic.

His total prize money from 2003 - 2013 is $460,805 or $46K/year singles and boules combined.

I'd define that as a slouch, not even a journeyman. His father and uncles were journeymen players.

And Vijay was a grand slam semi-finalist again more like world class mediocre than just plain old mediocre.
Really? What year and major was he a semifinalist in? His record shows his best outings as QF's. 2 Opens and 2 Wimbledons. He did make a semi in doubles......journeyman.

His total prize money is $1.3M. By contrast, Brian Gottfried is $2.7M, Dick Stockton is $1.0M, Eddie Dibbs is $2.0, Harold Solomon is $1.8M, Bjorn Borg is $12M, Vitas Gerulaitis is $2.7M. So he ranks right around Dick Stockton who was a contemporary of his. Ever heard of Dick Stockton? In the ATP he was mediocre.

As for sounding horrible, he is just starting out give him some time. I remember when McEnroe started commenting in the early 90's he sounded like a dumbass making a few word sentences every other point but now hear him. His perusal of matches is far and above regular analysis done by other commentators.
He is not just starting out. He has called the india WTT knock off, he has worked other booths. He is a wanna be who rode his daddy's mediocre coattails.

As to McEnroe's commentary, what objective standard are you using to gauge this? That's right, there isn't one. It's all subjective.
 
#25
... By contrast, Brian Gottfried is $2.7M, Dick Stockton is $1.0M, Eddie Dibbs is $2.0, Harold Solomon is $1.8M, Bjorn Borg is $12M, Vitas Gerulaitis is $2.7M. So he ranks right around Dick Stockton who was a contemporary of his. Ever heard of Dick Stockton? In the ATP he was mediocre...
Are you presenting Stockton, a guy that hung around the 20s (and briefly into the top ten) during the Golden Era, as some obscure figure ? Or simply as a mediocre player ? Or both ?

I do realize that most posts on this board can be understood as nothing more than asking "how long have you watched tennis ?" but still. :giggle: Anyone that watched Borg/Connors in their time would be just as familiar with all of the players you mentioned in your sentence including, of course, Stockton. And if he was to you mediocre than I guess almost the entire tour is. You are either solidly in the top ten your entire career or you are mediocre ?

In 25 years someone will ask: "ever heard of Gilles Simon ?" a guy that played at a very high level throughout the Big 4 Era just to pick a name though Stockton arguably was at a higher level longer than Simon (though I have no delved back into their respective stats). He was mediocre too. :rolleyes:
 
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#26
@Tshooter - by any measure, Stockton was a journeyman. He had a great win over Connors in 5 sets at Philadelphia, but he was plagued with foot problems. He never was a top echelon player in my view. I presented him merely as a comparison to Amritraj.
 
#27
@Tshooter - by any measure, Stockton was a journeyman. He had a great win over Connors in 5 sets at Philadelphia, but he was plagued with foot problems. He never was a top echelon player in my view. I presented him merely as a comparison to Amritraj.
I guess it comes down to how one defines journeyman which has been discussed before. If you consider Stockton a journeyman than I'd say most of the tour were and are comprised of journeyman. He was a very good pro in a very strong era and not to me a journeyman any more than those floating around the 10s/20s/30s for any length of time today are journeyman.
 
#28
@Tshooter - the definition of journeyman is:

Dictionary said:
jour·ney·man
/ˈjərnēmən/
noun

  1. 1.
    a worker or sports player who is reliable but not outstanding.
    "a solid journeyman professional"
I think that pretty much sums up Stockton's career. Please don't misunderstand, that's not a knock. He wasn't a bad guy or a bad player, but he was not an elite player. He was reliable but not outstanding. He never made it deep into a major, he wasn't a Davis Cup stalwart, he was a guy who made a living and had a couple of good wins.
 
#32
Does anyone have the link for the archive of Gimelstob's writings for Sports Illustrated?

I was browsing it last week, but didnt generate a permalink. Now it appears a lot of the archive has been taken down.
It seems to be going around. I noticed the main J.G. arrest related thread here was removed.

I can’t help with what you are looking for but J.G. will have a preliminary hearing in front of a judge on, I believe, Dec. 12.

Preliminary hearings are open to the public proceedings so it would be extraordinary if the “tennis press” didn’t report on it even though it has been near dead silent so far. This is is not some obscure figure; he’s involved in various high level tennis roles and these are very serious allegations.
 
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Nostradamus

Talk Tennis Guru
#38
Doesn't Justin Gimmel have a Contract with Tennis channel ? you can't just get rid of him just like that if you are tennis channel, otherwise you risk a breach of contract.
 
#39
Doesn't Justin Gimmel have a Contract with Tennis channel ? you can't just get rid of him just like that if you are tennis channel, otherwise you risk a breach of contract.
He asked for and was granted a leave.

Otherwise you would need to see his employment contract assuming he has one to determine if TC could get rid of him. TC is standing by him for the time being so it’s moot.
 
#40
Other than to note the arrest what can they say ? It's still just and arrest and allegations. And if it happened the culprit could have been Tom Cruise or Val Kilmer among other suspects I'm sure are being investigated.
Making light of such a serious assault is not funny. It was reported by the LA TIMES, a genuine source of news, it may have been from a police report--not some internet fake news. If you'd been hit 50 times, in front of your 2 year old child and wife, and other witnesses, suffering serious face wounds and a possible concussion, I don't think you'd be making light of it. The guy's a maniac--when my father died, I didn't go out trick or treating, in costume and sucker punch my neighbors--(roid rage?) He and his clan come from a life of privilege--no hardships except of their own making. I've got NO sympathy for him--only for his/their victims.
 
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#43
Gimmel is the BEST commentator that tennis channel ever had. and not sure what is up but it would be a terrible loss for tennis channel. and Prakash so far from what I have seen from him is very witty and very smart with his commentating. he looks like a very smart commentator. only dodo birds would think he is no good.
??? LOL!
 
#48
Stanford......can you believe it?
Stanford ain't what it used to be--but almost the entire "higher" education system is a waste of time and money, a tool for social indoctrination rather then rational scientific thinking. Great campus though, and some nice kids, played some pro-ams there. When tennis players had time to go to college like an Isner today they had quite a roster of champions--Mac for a year, Tanner, the Bryans maybe?, and a long list of others before the mega money came into the game and kids went pro at 17. I know some Stanford grads who aren't the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
 
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