Gimelstob Suspended but for Only One WTT Game

[sureshs]

The emergence of womens sports has had both +'s and -'s. For instance, there are more sports programs for women, but title 9 has also hurt mens teams of less popular sports. For instance, a mens tennis team here in S Florida was disbanded because they took the funding away to start some womens teams in sports like lacrosse. As a result the guys who had scholorships lost them and several left the school as a result. The school has yet to field a womens lacrosse team due to a lack of participation. The mens tennis coach tried to lobby the school to reinstate the program after that was discovered, but the school said the money must stay in womens sports because of mandated equatable distribution even if the programs did not field teams.

Your point is valid.

Read the NYT (yesterday maybe?). There is now a quiet government expansion of Title 9 into science and engineering in Universities (because of the pathetic lack of women in these fields in the US), which will possibly lead to formal/informal mandates for numerical quotas for female students in these departments. The argument is that something has to be done to jump start the process and end what is termed "unconscious discrimination."

Personally, I think there is a tension between two issues: whether it is required to forcibly jump start something to achieve a goal, or whether to rely on natural diffusion to occur. In the case of race, it is clear to me that a massive jump start was needed because nothing much was diffusing normally due to active resistance. In this case - who knows?

 

[Azzurri]

Wow, you seriously need a dose of perspective. As for the bit I've highlighted, I love the beautiful hypocrisy whenever people criticise others of "being too judgemental".

If 90% of guys speak one way in a locker room, that's fine. They're not being paid for the drivel they say. If you're paid for your opinions and paid to be the face of a sport, paid to decide where that sport goes, well that's altogether very different.

I agree with you. He should have been a little less "honest" and chose his words more carefully about AK and some of the women on tour. I personally was not that offended, but that's me.

 

[Azzurri]

There are no free speech rights in the commercial domain. You cannot criticize your employer in public (unless it is an ethical whistleblower case) and expect to keep your job. You cannot occupy a paid or unpaid position in an organization and speak against it. You cannot discuss your employer's finances in public, specially if you are an executive. There is no right to free speech in the military. You can't question your commander in the midst of battle. If you are gay, you cannot even continue to serve if you are outed. You cannot associate with a terrorist and expect not to be investigated. Politicians were asking for tenured professors to be terminated for speaking against the war (apparently that is not a political correctness issue). And in any case, there are no free speech rights to certain forms of pornography, even if it is in private. And there is no right to use drugs, even for euthanasia.

Gimelstob is free to voice his opinions. There has been no case registered against him and never will be. He can write a book, create a website or shout from a street corner. However, no one needs to employ him.

You may want to look up this case.

Brandenburg v. Ohio

So which area did JG commit?

Restrictions on speech that are sometimes characterized as assaults on freedom of speech include the following:

Defamation (slander and libel)
Product defamation (criticism of commercial products; sometimes called product libel or product disparagement; for example, the Texas False Disparagement of Perishable Food Products Act)
Obscenity
Threats
Lying in court (perjury)
Talking out of turn during a trial, or talk that causes contempt of court
Speaking about a trial outside the court room after the judge forbids it (sub judice).
Speaking publicly without a permit
Speaking publicly outside of a free speech zone
Limits on the size of public demonstrations
Profanity
Hate speech that is defamatory or causes incitement to violence
Noise pollution
Speech that contains a copyright infringement
Company secrets (trade secrets), such as how a product is made or company strategy (Example: Eleven herbs and spices of KFC chicken)
Political secrets: campaign strategies, dirty past/deeds of a politician, etc.
Classified information: sensitive or secret to protect the national interest.[3]
Lies that cause a crowd to panic or causes Clear and present danger or Imminent lawless action, such as shouting fire in a crowded theater
Fighting words doctrineU.S. 1942) "insulting or 'fighting words', those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace"
Sedition: speech or organization (vs Freedom of Assembly) that is deemed as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws.
Treason: to talk publicly of the death of all countrymen or the overthrow of the government

 

[Kaptain Karl]

The only person here who knows his true personality is Fee.

And this can be your conclusion only if you accept Fee's posts about their "friendship" for how she describes it.

(This is not a knock on Fee. It's just that I've seen many cases where "B" states "A" and "B" are the closest of friends ... and when asked about it, "A" states that they are merely "acquaintances". It is possible some similar dynamic is at play with Fee's and Justin's "friendship"....)

I think you give too much weight to someones words, as opposed to deeds. Just because someone expresses a point of view does not automatically equate to it happening. Even if somehow the person had a platform, isn't he or she entitled to their opinion, regardless of whether it is politically correct or not?

a) And you may not be giving some peoples' words *enough* weight. (Some peoples' words are not so easily separated from their actions. IOW, for some people their words ARE their actions. They are so well-spoken and highly thought of, their words take on the same weight as actions to their listeners / followers.)

I'm not claiming this is the case for Gimelslob. It's just that you strike me as overly focused on "PC" and you sometimes overlook the dynamic I describe above.

b) Yes, even if they have a platform, they are entitled to their opinion. And when you are featured in promos for the US Open Series -- as Gimelslob *was* -- you are being elevated to (not just being "a voice" for tennis broadcasters, but) being equated with the very sport itself. Part of what comes with that "package" is you risk losing your job if you choose to pretend your opinion is "merely" your personal POV when speaking publicly.
____________

As to Gimelstob, I have never cared for him personally and have seen where he acts like a jerk. However his opinion is just that, an opinion, and he should be entitled to it. If someone is allowed to promote causes that are PC, then anyone should be allowed to speak freely, even if it is not PC.

I also take exception to your attempts to pass-off Gimelslob's threatening and demeaning remarks as mere "political incorrectness." You don't help your own little cause when you try to blur the distinctions so.

- KK

 

[Rhino]

And this can be your conclusion only if you accept Fee's posts about their "friendship" for how she describes it.

(This is not a knock on Fee. It's just that I've seen many cases where "B" states "A" and "B" are the closest of friends ... and when asked about it, "A" states that they are merely "acquaintances". It is possible some similar dynamic is at play with Fee's and Justin's "friendship"....)

Then you do see my point, at least to some degree. It's not trolling to discuss these things, in fact it's pretty relevant to many opinions formed on this thread.
There are some knowledgeable posters here, and I have no beef with anyone, but when we have a thread dealing with a players character I think it's more important to establish the legitimacy and true origin of certain information passed off as 'facts'.

 

[Fee]

And this can be your conclusion only if you accept Fee's posts about their "friendship" for how she describes it.

(This is not a knock on Fee. It's just that I've seen many cases where "B" states "A" and "B" are the closest of friends ... and when asked about it, "A" states that they are merely "acquaintances". It is possible some similar dynamic is at play with Fee's and Justin's "friendship"....)

Oh yes that is a knock on me, and it doesn't surprise me at all that it came from you. Justin and I are friends, not "acquaintances". I'm not one of his closest buddies, nor is he one of mine, we just don't see each other that much. As I stated in a previous post in this thread (now deleted), I've stayed at his house, I've had dinner with his family, and I think I have a good idea of who he is. But I'm tired of explaining this over and over to the (men) on this forum who make snide comments because you don't have a big enough pair to just come out and accuse me of being a liar.


Rhino, to answer your question, Justin and I became friends because HE gave me his email address back in 2004 and invited me to write to him. We had had 3 or 4 conversations that week about tennis and stuff, and I guess he just decided that he liked me for whatever reason. It took me forever to actually send him the first email, I have to admit I was kind of intimidated by him at first. Oh, but why did I bother explaining it when you just think I'm a liar anyway.


Slappano, there is one person in this thread who heard the original interview before the podcast was taken down - me.

 

[Eviscerator]

I also take exception to your attempts to pass-off Gimelslob's threatening and demeaning remarks as mere "political incorrectness." You don't help your own little cause when you try to blur the distinctions so.

- KK

I never said all of his remarks were covered under PC, just the ones that most people would recognize as such. Franky I do not even know everything he said, nor did I assume his comments interpreted as threats were real/sincere.

 

[Eviscerator]

There are no free speech rights in the commercial domain.

Gimelstob is free to voice his opinions.

However, no one needs to employ him.

You give some unrelated examples but I am concentrating on the PC aspect. If he were to have praised the womens game even if he did not believe it, nothing would be said. The same is true of compliments of minorities regardless if they are based in fact. You will hear comments in football such as Blacks run faster, which is of course a stereotype. However you do not hear people say Whites make better quarterbacks because they are smarter(another stereotype), even if that is what they believe. If they did, some would demand they be fired, and that is the problem with PC. Forgetting the hypocrisy, only one point of view can be expressed, that of political correctness. Stray outside of it, and you are at risk.

Your point is valid.

Read the NYT (yesterday maybe?). There is now a quiet government expansion of Title 9 into science and engineering in Universities (because of the pathetic lack of women in these fields in the US), which will possibly lead to formal/informal mandates for numerical quotas for female students in these departments. The argument is that something has to be done to jump start the process and end what is termed "unconscious discrimination."

Personally, I think there is a tension between two issues: whether it is required to forcibly jump start something to achieve a goal, or whether to rely on natural diffusion to occur. In the case of race, it is clear to me that a massive jump start was needed because nothing much was diffusing normally due to active resistance. In this case - who knows?

I don't get or read the NYT, and was unaware of the science/engineering tie in to Title 9.
The irony is that I read a report and saw a new story about how some campuses need more men because the female enrollment far exceeds that of males in some cases. Also the number of academic scholarships is much greater now for women, and men are being left out of the process.
`

 

[Kaptain Karl]

Oh yes that is a knock on me, and it doesn't surprise me at all that it came from you.

::Sigh:: I am on-record as stating you are one of the "pillars" of TT, Fee. I'm sorry you choose to see my position as "anti-Fee". It isn't the case.

... I'm tired of explaining this over and over to the (men) on this forum who make snide comments because you don't have a big enough pair to just come out and accuse me of being a liar.

Hmm. I'm now beginning to see how someone who posts as crudely as you just did would defend Justin. You actually seem to think quite similarly. Disappointing....

My point stands. You may have a different perspective of your friendship with Justin than he does. This happens frequently. I'm not accusing you of lying; I'm merely stating a fact about many relationships ... and using yours and Justin's as a (possible) representation of the type I'm describing.

I mean you no offense, Fee.

- KK

 

[Fee]

Hmm. I'm now beginning to see how someone who posts as crudely as you just did would defend Justin. You actually seem to think quite similarly. Disappointing....

Consider it speaking down to the audience.

 

[sureshs]

I don't get or read the NYT, and was unaware of the science/engineering tie in to Title 9.
The irony is that I read a report and saw a new story about how some campuses need more men because the female enrollment far exceeds that of males in some cases. Also the number of academic scholarships is much greater now for women, and men are being left out of the process.
`

Title 9 apparently is not just about sports but parity in education in general.

Men are falling behind women in enrollment but that is probably largely their fault, as most students don't get financial aid, men or women. Like most violent criminals in prisons are men - it is not the women's fault.

I don't get the Times either - I steal it from the bin of a Starbucks.

 

[Rhino]

(men) on this forum who make snide comments because you don't have a big enough pair to just come out and accuse me of being a liar.

Fee this is an anonymous forum, even a eunuch could safely call you a liar.

I am sorry that you don't like me pointing it out, but you do act very much like a tennis groupie, rather than a tennis fan. Players like JG need people like you. You start threads about them, maintain their myspaces, start fan-sites, and harp on and on about them, defend them, tell all your 'tennis fanatic friends' (us) to read his blog, etc. Sometimes it does start to sound a little creepy though - constantly talking about your 'friendship' in virtually every post like it's some kind of trophy.

Consider it speaking down to the audience.

This is the problem. You do talk down to some of the other posters, who are often genuine tennis fans, because you feel you have some sort of special right. You say it's funny how this thread is still alive, and yet you are one of it's most frequent posters.

Justin is not a misogynist, he's not a sexist, and he's not a woman hater. If he was, I wouldn't be friends with him, plain and simple.

Come on Fee, re-read the interview. I know you would support your idol until the ends of the earth but unfortunately he has exposed himself as a sexist man who speaks very frankly and in depth about how (amongst other things) he intends to make a young woman cry. I think if anyone other than JG had said this, your smugly moralistic and intolerant opinions soon would kick in.

 

[Azzurri]

Oh yes that is a knock on me, and it doesn't surprise me at all that it came from you. Justin and I are friends, not "acquaintances". I'm not one of his closest buddies, nor is he one of mine, we just don't see each other that much. As I stated in a previous post in this thread (now deleted), I've stayed at his house, I've had dinner with his family, and I think I have a good idea of who he is. But I'm tired of explaining this over and over to the (men) on this forum who make snide comments because you don't have a big enough pair to just come out and accuse me of being a liar.


Rhino, to answer your question, Justin and I became friends because HE gave me his email address back in 2004 and invited me to write to him. We had had 3 or 4 conversations that week about tennis and stuff, and I guess he just decided that he liked me for whatever reason. It took me forever to actually send him the first email, I have to admit I was kind of intimidated by him at first. Oh, but why did I bother explaining it when you just think I'm a liar anyway.


Slappano, there is one person in this thread who heard the original interview before the podcast was taken down - me.

is there any place to listen to it? I would bet money was just being a wiseguy and acting like a typical guy talking with other typical guys..problem is a radio program was not the place (to some).

 

[Fee]

Slappano, the podcast was taken down, unfortunately. In my opinon, no one who wrote stories about this issue ever heard it except the first blog in the Washington Post. You can try this link, http://www.wjfk.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=2756072. It's a broadcast of that radio show from 7/16, describing JMac screaming at Mashona Washington the night before.



Rhino, I have never and will never sleep with anyone other than my husband, so don't you EVER call me a groupie on this forum again.

I have started 84 threads on this forum, exactly TWO of them were about Justin. Most of my posts are not about Justin (just the ones you seek out for whatever odd reason). Get your facts straight.

Justin doesn't need me, Justin just likes me (that's a hard one for you to fathom, isn't it). I am only still posting in this thread because losers like you show up to try to beat me down personally, as if you really expect me to back away. I've seen it happen a lot on this forum, but I will not allow you to do it me. Go find a much weaker woman than me to try to belittle, I have taken on much better men than you.

Yeah, I have stood by Justin even though I could slap him for some of the things he said. If you want to hate me for it, go right ahead, but please please please spread that same disdain to Agassi, Federer, and the many other players who have contacted Justin in the last few weeks to tell him to hang in there.

Now run along to the Ashley Harkleroad playboy cover thread, wouldn't want to keep any of you away from ogling that WTA sexpot.

 

[sillymonkey]

I don't get or read the NYT, and was unaware of the science/engineering tie in to Title 9.
The irony is that I read a report and saw a new story about how some campuses need more men because the female enrollment far exceeds that of males in some cases. Also the number of academic scholarships is much greater now for women, and men are being left out of the process.
`[/QUOTE]


Just sign up for the online version of the NYT [or any other major publication]. It's easy, free and you can stay as informed as you like!

 

[Deuce]

Oh yes that is a knock on me, and it doesn't surprise me at all that it came from you. Justin and I are friends, not "acquaintances". I'm not one of his closest buddies, nor is he one of mine, we just don't see each other that much. As I stated in a previous post in this thread (now deleted), I've stayed at his house, I've had dinner with his family, and I think I have a good idea of who he is. But I'm tired of explaining this over and over to the (men) on this forum who make snide comments because you don't have a big enough pair to just come out and accuse me of being a liar.

I don't think you're lying. I simply think that you are totally blinded by your friendship with a 'famous' person, and this results in you totally overlooking behaviour that you would certainly object to if others had done it instead of your buddy.
In other words, your friendship with Justin seems to be far more important to you than are your personal principles and your personal integrity - because in defending him as you are, you're going against the very principles you have maintained on this board previously.
So I'm not saying you're a liar. But I am saying that you're a hypocrite.
Also, you seem to believe that the rest of us should grant you the 'special staus' and 'special rights' you grant yourself simply due to the fact that you're friends with a (now former) pro player.

Slappano, there is one person in this thread who heard the original interview before the podcast was taken down - me.

^ Wrong. I heard the audio of Gimelstob being an idiot on that show, as well.
And I found it to be not only incredibly juvenile, but also highly inappropriate.

Slappano, the podcast was taken down, unfortunately. In my opinon, no one who wrote stories about this issue ever heard it except the first blog in the Washington Post.

^ How utterly convenient that you dismiss virtually all opinions that are critical of your buddy by saying that they never heard your buddy's immature rant.
Here, you are taking your defense of Gimelstob into radical territory.

Rhino, I have never and will never sleep with anyone other than my husband, so don't you EVER call me a groupie on this forum again.

Well, I see you far more as being a groupie than being a tennis fan. I don't equate groupies with sleeping around, and I would never accuse you of sleeping with Gimelstob or anyone else.
To me, a groupie is a person - male or female - who lives vicariously through the 'famous' people they know, often feeling 'famous' him or her self, if only by association.

is there any place to listen to it? I would bet money was just being a wiseguy and acting like a typical guy talking with other typical guys..problem is a radio program was not the place (to some).

^ I suggest that you know the wrong type of guys if you believe Gimelstob's rant to be 'typical guy behaviour'.

 

[Fee]

I don't think you're lying. I simply think that you are totally blinded by your friendship with a 'famous' person, and this results in you totally overlooking behaviour that you would certainly object to if others had done it instead of your buddy.
In other words, your friendship with Justin seems to be far more important to you than are your personal principles and your personal integrity - because in defending him as you are, you're going against the very principles you have maintained on this board previously.
So I'm not saying you're a liar. But I am saying that you're a hypocrite.
Also, you seem to believe that the rest of us should grant you the 'special staus' and 'special rights' you grant yourself simply due to the fact that you're friends with a (now former) pro player.

Deuce, I did object to some of the things that Justin said during that interview. Some, not all. Due to my trip to London on Saturday, June 21st/June 22nd and my lack of internet access until whenever it was, my immediate reaction did not take place on this forum, it took place elsewhere. Trust me, I was NOT happy. What I have defended him against in this thread were the comments that I felt contained incorrect facts about him and the accusation that he advocated rape or violence against women. Read through this thread again, my first response in this thread is on the 3rd page. I think I've spent more time responding to people attacking me than Justin (but who knows when so much has been deleted).

I don't want any special status or special rights (please tell me where I have said that I do), nor do I live vicariously through Justin (well, except that he gets to travel a lot and I wish I could do that too). You keep trying to do pysch profiles on me, and you are wrong every time.

I stand by my assertion that many of the stories that I saw about his radio interview (and I saw most of them because I get google alerts) were written by people who never heard the interview, they just quoted the first blog. There was too much that was left out of the subsequent stories, and one really bad misquote. You hadn't previously mentioned that you heard it, but your description is right on the mark - it was very juvenile and incredibly inappropriate, but just like slappano I have overheard similar conversations amongst other males, especially tennis players (and members of this forum).

So, in your opinion, I'm a hypocritical fangirl (sorry, still can't go with the g-word) with no integrity. Fair enough.

 

[Azzurri]

^ I suggest that you know the wrong type of guys if you believe Gimelstob's rant to be 'typical guy behaviour'.[/QUOTE]

yes, they don't live in their mother's basement.

 

[superman1]

Anyone else's head spinning on the fact that all the men are attacking the woman of this thread for not being angry enough about these comments that were insulting to women? Are all men becoming feminists right now or do you just like to argue for the sake of it? A bunch of angels on this forum, I've never seen so many perfect, spotless men.

Guy was probably drunk anyway, forget it.

 

[TheTruth]

Well, Rafter should have been a gentlemen and let lady get a car first.

It was at the Australian Open and they had cars for their stars. All of the other tennis players were waiting for their cars and Anna walked past all of them to get in Patrick's car. Patrick gently reminded her whose car it was. That was all!

 

[TheTruth]

I read enough of this post to get physically ill (not actually, but you get my drift).

1. I can't believe people were actually getting on Veronique because of her statements. Justin's behaviour reveals a deep seated hatred for women which should not go unpunished. Implied violence was there, and he should get no pass for that.

2. Good on you, Suresh for taking a stance.

3. And Duece, great points and posts.

4. Sorry for you Fee, wouldn't want to be in your position, because if that was my friend it would be hard not to try to defend them, only in this case Justin's actions cannot and should not be defended.

5. Some of the posters who act like this isn't a big deal, or that Kournikova actually deserved it, make me shake my head. The bottom line is we don't know Anna personally, but she didn't deserve this type of treatment, especially by someone like him.

6. Should he be fired? Yes! Get a different job, one that's more behind the scenes as seeing him on TV still getting paid is a slap in the face to viewers.

The fact that women can be treated in this manner is irrehensible. Period. And, regardless of your position whether you feel it wasn't that bad, or it's just what frat boys do, or he was drunk and didn't realize the ramifications, whatever the reasonings may be. Take Anna out of the equation and insert your own mother, sister, wife, girlfriend, etc. into the frame and I'll bet your position would be different.

Beyond what Anna is, she is a human being first!

 

[logansc]

Everyone who is honestly this upset about Justin's problem, we get it, he was disrespectful. My feeling is everyone who is calling what he did "frat boy antics" is being disrespectful to members of greek organizations by continuing to use a stereotype. I am a fraternity guy and I will say that while there is an ongoing social/ party atmosphere with fraternities, it is no different with the general population at most universities. Actually when it comes to service and campus involvement, 75% of all contributions whether it be time or of a monetary nature come greek members. Many successful and influential people in our society were once members of fraternities and sororties. So how can I not think each and every poster who has equated Gimelstob's actions to "frat boy behavior" is a huge hypocrite when it comes to laying disrespectful comments on unsuspecting people. I am by no means defending what he said but to continue to harass Fee about it and nitpick arguments with her is borderline childish and a complete waste of time. I believe that the people who make the decisions on his employment and endorsement deals can make their own decisions based on the evidence given. Passing judgement on a message board, while you can do it all day, will ultimately just be another post on your count.

 

[Kaptain Karl]

Passing judgement on a message board, while you can do it all day, will ultimately just be another post on your count.

Ironic, huh?




<Mod Mode> This thread is *locked*. No sense cycling around the same thing repeatedly. </Mod Mode>

- KK

 

[sureshs]

Kournikova avoids Gimestob following insult

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_y...ap-kournikova-gimelstobspat&prov=ap&type=lgns

WASHINGTON (AP)—Anna Kournikova doesn’t care about Justin Gimelstob or what he thinks about her.

Last month, Gimelstob insulted the 28-year-old tennis diva on a radio show, but fans who were hoping to see the two face off on court were likely to be disappointed.

Kournikova was in Washington on Wednesday night with World Team Tennis’ St. Louis Aces, who were playing the Washington Kastles, featuring the 31-year-old Gimelstob. The two were not scheduled to play each other in mixed doubles.

In the radio appearance, Gimelstob used a derogatory term to describe Kournikova and made suggestive comments about another player, Nicole Vaidisova.

Kournikova declined to engage in a verbal volley.

“I really don’t want to discuss the matter,” Kournikova said. “I don’t want to give it any more attention or meaning that it already has received. I’m just treating this like any other match.”

Television commercials featuring Gimelstob promoting the U.S. Open Series were scrapped by the U.S. Tennis Association following his remarks and he was suspended for one match without pay by World Team Tennis, but stayed on the air during Wimbledon for his job with the Tennis Channel.

Gimelstob, who retired last year from the tour and sits on the board of the ATP, made no effort to reach out to Kournikova during pre-match festivities. When Kournikova was questioned about Gimelstob, she tried to deflect attention from him.

“I actually forgot about it until you just mentioned it,” Kournikova said. “It’s really no big deal to me.”

 

[Tanya]

What exactly did he say about Kournikova and Vaidisova?

 

[Tanya]

Here's something I found explaining Vaidisova's part in it a little more; it goes on to actually tell us what he said about the different players.

http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2008/6/28/sports/21689223&sec=sports

 

[mentalcase]

"I really have no interest in her.

He should not sign a spotlight on someone he hates. He's a loser anyway.

 

[PlayerOnLI]

Why he even gets a forum to speak publically is the biggest mystery.

Hopefully this incident will result in us not having to suffer through his senseless match commentary.

 

[mentalcase]

I think she turned him down for some mixed doubles action. She must have really blown his ego.

 

[Ronaldo]

She musta really reamed his ego, eh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJN3PGqDRNg

 

[PlayerOnLI]

Maybe he resents the fact that despite neither of them having won singles titles on their respective tours...people still know Anna is.

I guess people know him now! What a moron.

 

[Ronaldo]

Kicked for a week in WTT and the season is over, eh?

 

[Tarsier]

"I really have no interest in her. I wouldn't mind having my younger brother, who's kind of a stud, nail her and then reap the benefits of that."

I guess this is the reason. He did have interest in her but met no understanding on her part and now he's just bitter.

 

[ruerooo]

I will concede I'm feeling a little nasty today post-Karlovic, but ... I'm going to hazard a stab it's because she turned him down cold once. Or twice.

You know ... just a guess.

 

[SplitSecond]

This pic says it all about Gimelstob

http://www.tennis.com/photogallery/photogallery.aspx?libid=141434

 

[The balls in your court.]

This pic says it all about Gimelstob

http://www.tennis.com/photogallery/photogallery.aspx?libid=141434

LOL!!!!!!!!!

 

[nn]

he is useless in every angle.. such a looser on court and off too..

pro men or women should give him interview..period end his pro life after tennis go to hell..

 

[Objective Danny]

Once upon a time didn't he date Martina Hingis? I'm believe he did and it didn't last long.

Anna and Martina are friends, perhaps she saw he was a tosser and told her to dump him. And that's why he has his calvin's in a wad.

 

[Banger]

Instead of all these assumptions does anyone have any legitimate reason why he dislikes her?

 

[sillymonkey]

He hates himself [loathsome beast] and therefore must lash out at any shiny thing.

 

[slice bh compliment]

This pic says it all about Gimelstob

http://www.tennis.com/photogallery/photogallery.aspx?libid=141434

That picture is hilarious.

Totally unrelated topic here, but, I have two vain little Q's:
1] Has Anna lost weight again?
2] Who has thinner calves, Anna or Gimel?

 

[CGMemphis]

He acts like a 30+ year yo frat boy whose tennis career didnt go the way he planned. He seems to have never grown up, the type who was handed everything and being in a pro sport as a result.

The fact he is a spokesman for the game, part of WTT and part of the ATP council, his butt should have ben fired. Don Imus spoke something on the same agnle and he got canned, then let back and he jacked up again. JG should be canned over all, unless this was planned.

I have no respect for him now and my view of him has changed. There are some here who know him, so lets hear the defense.

 

[fridrix]

2] Who has thinner calves, Anna or Gimel?

Now that was catty. Funny though. :?

 

[fridrix]

He hates himself [loathsome beast] and therefore must lash out at any shiny thing.

A poetic observation.

 

[Roforot]

I heard a story (yes I know this is hearsay) where players were lining up for a courtesy car. This included 2 time US Open winner Pat Rafter. Kournikova just goes to the head of the queue. Rafter puts her in her place and tells her where the back of the queue is.

This seems pretty typical behaviour.

This story made reading this post worth it!
A lot of guys, myself included, would probably defer to a hot thing in like situation. Rafter's the MAN!
JG could learn a few things from him!