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thread is closedKing of Pop is: Michael Jackson!
King of Pop is: Michael Jackson!
Sorry, only perceived moral exemplars are up for considerationthread is closed
I disagree. My candidate is better, younger...King of Pop is: Michael Jackson!
His best song. Before the overrated hit parade!
Appealing to the masses doesn't make you a genius, just the darling of capitalismRegardless how you feel about him personally, Michael Jackson was a musical genius. Prince was a VERY close second, but MJ's music appealed to the masses more.
Oh come on now, the pop princess?
Madonna has unfortunately fallen so muchOh come on now, the pop princess?
That’s jazz.Frank Sinatra, although haven't really listened to his newer stuff much.
That’s jazz.
Appealing to the masses doesn't make you a genius, just the darling of capitalism
Michael Jackson began his career at 4 years old being part of the Jackson 5!I disagree. My candidate is better, younger...
Can we stop with the politics for just a second. It was a well known fact that Micheal Jackson was beloved worldwide. His music transcended all biases, prejudices, etc.
She even had covid.Madonna has unfortunately fallen so muchWent downhill after the glorious 90s.
Michael was a God.Michael Jackson began his career at 4 years old being part of the Jackson 5!
I hope this was a joke. Sinatra "pop?"Frank Sinatra, although haven't really listened to his newer stuff much.
King of Pop is: Michael Jackson!
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His best song. Before the overrated hit parade!
I really don't see how Taylor as a singer compares in any way to Michael and if you add his ability to sing and dance - at the speed at which he danced - simultaneously, he is on another level.In terms of pure pop singer... I'm an older guy and her music isn't my style, but I can't deny that Taylor Swift has surpassed Michael Jackson at this point. In terms of a single pop singer/presence, she is simply on another level at this point. (Even though my personal taste would be Michael Jackson).
If this question were: GOAT Pop Artist/Act, my answer still wouldn't change. Undeniably The Beatles.
Yes. Maybe just not a pop singer.Freddy Mercury was a great singer with a wide range.
I really don't see how Taylor as a singer compares in any way to Michael and if you add his ability to sing and dance - at the speed at which he danced - simultaneously, he is on another level.
Madonna has unfortunately fallen so muchWent downhill after the glorious 90s.
She just didn’t want to miss out on any communicable diseasesShe even had covid.
Being a Pop Star is purely about overall ability to do it all. The complete package and presentation. To me, that is undeniably Taylor Swift. She has completely surpassed everybody on the Pop Star level. Including Michael Jackson.
If we're going to say that the GOAT Pop Singer is whoever has the best dancing and singing act, then I'm going with Beyonce. Michael Jackson is a slightly better dancer, but Beyonce is a far better singer than Michael Jackson ever was.
If we're going with purely the best Pop Singer voice, then I'm going with either Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey.
How about Elvis?Being a Pop Star is purely about overall ability to do it all. The complete package and presentation. To me, that is undeniably Taylor Swift. She has completely surpassed everybody on the Pop Star level. Including Michael Jackson.
If we're going to say that the GOAT Pop Singer is whoever has the best dancing and singing act, then I'm going with Beyonce. Michael Jackson is a slightly better dancer, but Beyonce is a far better singer than Michael Jackson ever was.
If we're going with purely the best Pop Singer voice, then I'm going with either Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey.
How about Elvis?
While the King was looking down
Taylor Swift stole his thorny crown
But what is the complete package in her case? MAYBE she writes better songs (I don't see how, but I can accept that for argument's sake) but she is a pretty mediocre singer.
I don't really agree that she is a far better singer than MJ was. Yes, she is good at power R&B kind of singing which has been popular since Whitney's time but MJ was great at very fast, almost breathless enunciation...in tune. He had a certain grating quality in his singing which I didn't always like but then I don't find that Beyonce brings much to the table that Whitney and Mariah hadn't already. She just happens to be younger than Mariah, so she is the Mariah for a new generation.
How about Elvis?
While the King was looking down
Taylor Swift stole his thorny crown
Her songs are better. She is a real actual musician who plays instruments as well as a singer. She's won more awards. She's got a larger audience. She fills more arenas. She's got a wider audience. She's got more collaborations. She has a more commanding fashion trend (I know people hate this aspect of Pop (so do I) but it is real), She's more versatile (having crossed Rock, Country, R&B, Hip Hop). She's more of a trend-setter
I think anybody who thinks Jackson is a bigger Pop Star than Swift is simply just being a run-of-the-mill fan. I'm just keeping it 100 and saying it the way it is. I will listen to Jackson anytime before I listen to Swift. However, I have to keep it 100 and recognize all of her capabilities, numbers, attributes and accomplishments, There never has been a Pop powerhouse like that woman - Swift.
Including the breathless stuff.
Then please post the songs as I am not going to believe it without hearing it. Especially when you make sweeping claims like "better at everything". It is generally hard for one singer to be better than another at everything.
I'm not posting songs merely so you can just say, "No, that isn't better." Waste of time for you and me both. However, to your point, it actually isn't generally hard for one singer to be better at everything than another. If they are better, they are better. Especially with something as specific as the vocal instrument. Beyonce has better control, wider range, bigger lungs, and more power than Michael Jackson ever had -- full stop. We can just agree to disagree. If you think Michael Jackson is a better vocalist than Beyonce... well... not sure what I can tell you.
You mean not JUST his vocals. If he wasn't as good of a singer as he was, just his dancing alone would have relegated him to a novelty. In the same way, it is not JUST the vocals that make Beyonce a pop star. Her image, her charisma definitely have a role in it. If it was ONLY about singing, she wouldn't be able to hold a candle to a Linda Eder. But it's not, pop music has never been just about the music or at least not in a long, long time.All I can say is that what made Michael Jackson one of the greatest pop stars ever wasn't his vocals.
How could Elvis not be GOAT? His impact is incalculable.I think Elvis was great. One of the best.
OR. Like I said elsewhere, reminds me of this Van Halen track called Hot for Teacher.How could Elvis not be GOAT? His impact is incalculable.
You’re going to say Taylor Swift over Elvis? I have to think you’re just trolling.
Being a Pop Star is purely about overall ability to do it all. The complete package and presentation. To me, that is undeniably Taylor Swift. She has completely surpassed everybody on the Pop Star level. Including Michael Jackson.
If we're going to say that the GOAT Pop Singer is whoever has the best dancing and singing act, then I'm going with Beyonce. Michael Jackson is a slightly better dancer, but Beyonce is a far better singer than Michael Jackson ever was.
If we're going with purely the best Pop Singer voice, then I'm going with either Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey.