[GOAT] Which kind of domination?

Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by Nickognito, Nov 19, 2007.

  1. hoodjem

    hoodjem G.O.A.T.

    Aug 12, 2007
    I do wonder if we can come up with a grand total of slam equivalents for Gonzales?
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2013
  2. xFedal

    xFedal Hall of Fame

    Apr 19, 2014
    I am also interested in Gonzales slam count.
  3. pc1

    pc1 G.O.A.T.

    Jul 18, 2008
    Space/Time continuum alternative reality
    I can give you major equivalents in the pros and regular majors won for Pancho Gonzalez.
    Two United States Championships
    Eight United States Pro Championships
    Four Wembley Titles
    Three Tournament of Champions

    Gonzalez also won the far more important seven World Championship head to head tours which guaranteed the World Championship to anyone who won it. I would roughly estimate that one World Championship Tour win is the equivalent of two majors. Consider that in theory someone else could win all the Pro Majors for the year and yet not be World Champion because someone else won the World Championship tour. Gonzalez also often played over 100 matches on these World Championship tour.

    I would say if you treat the Pro Majors as the same as the classic majors that would be about the same as 31 majors.
  4. Dan Lobb

    Dan Lobb Legend

    Oct 31, 2011
    I would say that winning an amateur Wimbledon would have been more of a challenge than winning many of the Pro majors. You often would have several challenges in an amateur slam like Wimbledon, but only one or two significant challenges in a pro major.
    For example, Gonzales beat an ancient Budge to win the U.S. Pro in 1953, whereas at least four or five tough players were competing that year for the amateur slams.
    Gonzales beat no one of significance to win Wembley in 1950, whereas Patty had to beat several tough players to win Wimbledon that year.
    It makes more sense to isolate those pro majors which had strong fields as well as being prominent events, and give them major status.

    For example, I would award major status to Gonzales' victories at Philadelphia in 1950 and 1952, because he had to beat a tough Kramer to win them. Also, for the 1954 U.S. Pro Hardcourt, where he won over tough players like Sedgman and Segura.
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