Goffin racket

ron schaap

Professional
Looks to be a actual blade last I checked. K if I remember correctly.
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.
LOL its not even close to 67 flex rating of the retail stick, its more like 56-60
Latest Atp pic shows the spaghetti flex his pro stock stick produce
I had 6 of the 2004 APD frames over the years, not one flexed like this
or where able to hit so much away from the sweet spot like this.
Yet my chinese copies of APD actually did make up for lack of accuracy.
 

RoarTT

Semi-Pro
LOL its not even close to 67 flex rating of the retail stick, its more like 56-60
Latest Atp pic shows the spaghetti flex his pro stock stick produce
I had 6 of the 2004 APD frames over the years, not one flexed like this
or where able to hit so much away from the sweet spot like this.
Yet my chinese copies of APD actually did make up for lack of accuracy.
It’s 65 flex :) reported here:

https://www.prostocktennis.com/products/Rafael-Nadal-personal-babolat-pure-aero

And here:

https://www.hdtennis.com/grs/pro_racquet_specs/200703nadal_babolat
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.
How do you know his Blade isn't custom from Wilson with higher Swing weight. Tour guys usually get heavier spec Blades from Wilson, not off of the shelf that Amateurs are using. problem with these Low SW off the shelf frames is that it gets pushed around way too much against 3000-4000 RPM topspin shots and control is compromised way too much
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.
I for one don’t have the speed or agility to play their either of their styles of play. Nadal’s racquet is more like 335g string and leaded, Goffin might be modified or from wilson at a higher stock weight.

Nothing against lighter racquets other than they are consistently replacing heavier ones at retail. Same gripe against open patterns.
 
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Frans Bleker

Professional
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.
For the same reason the other 9 top 10 players don't just use an "of the shelf" racket...
 

ron schaap

Professional
For the same reason the other 9 top 10 players don't just use an "of the shelf" racket...
Nadal and Goffin are 2 outof 10 player's. Besidesthere others like Manarinno who asked the public to donate him some racquets. Remember that Connors did the same in his haydays, asking his fans to donate the Wilson t2000!
 

ron schaap

Professional
LOL its not even close to 67 flex rating of the retail stick, its more like 56-60
Latest Atp pic shows the spaghetti flex his pro stock stick produce
I had 6 of the 2004 APD frames over the years, not one flexed like this
or where able to hit so much away from the sweet spot like this.
Yet my chinese copies of APD actually did make up for lack of accuracy.
it could be me but I don't see any racquet deformation. Closest to the troat give you more energy return. See the results of TWU.
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
If anyone has the chance, there have been some slo mos at the BNP Paribas Open
they displayed the same deformation on the HD slo mos of Nadal's Forehand stroke
its is quite remarkable the amount of dwell time he gets with his racquet, quite mesmerizing.
 

Frans Bleker

Professional
Nadal and Goffin are 2 outof 10 player's. Besidesthere others like Manarinno who asked the public to donate him some racquets. Remember that Connors did the same in his haydays, asking his fans to donate the Wilson t2000!
Why Nadal? His racket is what? 319? 19 grams added. Can you even comprehend how much that is? His SW is def. over 350 and you will not find that on stock rackets. Mannarino might also leads his racket up. Almost all pro players change the spec of their stock rackets, and there is a very good reason for that.
 

cesar faria

New User
Why Nadal? His racket is what? 319? 19 grams added. Can you even comprehend how much that is? His SW is def. over 350 and you will not find that on stock rackets. Mannarino might also leads his racket up. Almost all pro players change the spec of their stock rackets, and there is a very good reason for that.
it´s definitely almost impossible to play top level with a stock form racquet, unless we are speaking of wawrinkas frame or RF97, aswing weight lower then 340 just can´t stand against heavy shots, we must consider that some times they can delivery speed to the ball and act in balistic concepts, but a lot of shots they are forced to just block the energy back, with a light swing weight the effort on the body would be tremendous, not healthy at all, so the answer is no, almost none of the players use their sticks in stock form, the same goes for women, look Halep´s frame, its plumbed at 9 and 3 o´clock, inside the handle we just can´t know for sure, but the way she´s swinging for spin I´m almost sure she also have weight on the handle.

Polarized frames increase frame(throat\neck) deflection, that´s what almost all of the racquet tunners recommend to their customers, this way we get more pocketing due to the increased dwel time.
 

ron schaap

Professional
Why Nadal? His racket is what? 319? 19 grams added. Can you even comprehend how much that is? His SW is def. over 350 and you will not find that on stock rackets. Mannarino might also leads his racket up. Almost all pro players change the spec of their stock rackets, and there is a very good reason for that.
A stock frame with lead is still a stock frame. Anyone can add lead. I have done it too. The extra weight of nadals apd is including his overgrip. So his racket isn't very headheavy. Besides this fact he used an even lighter frame to win Rolandgarros and more tournaments in the beginning of his career.
 

Frans Bleker

Professional
Why are folks so obessed with heavy pro stock frames when Goffin proves you can be normal built and use an of the shelf, normal racquet and be top 10 ranked?
Dont forget that even Nadal uses an old apd of 300gr with only 19gr extra weight.
A stock frame with lead is still a stock frame. Anyone can add lead. I have done it too. The extra weight of nadals apd is including his overgrip. So his racket isn't very headheavy. Besides this fact he used an even lighter frame to win Rolandgarros and more tournaments in the beginning of his career.
You are kind off going against your own logic, but ok.

You ask yourself why people are obsessed with ''Pro Stock'' rackets, you argue it's basically BS because Goffin can be a top 10 player with a "normal built of the shelf" racket and that Nadal is also just using an old APD with 19 grams of extra weight.

So to clear up your confusion; when pro players started playing with a certain racket, racket companies will still have those rackets or molds in their archive and keep supplying them to those pro players over the years and those rackets are called: "Pro Stock rackets". So when Gilles Simon started his career with a Head Pro Tour 630, Head will keep giving him that racket or the mold of that racket adjusted to his preferred specs, and that racket is then called a PT57. So at that point a stock frame with lead is called a pro stock. The same yields for Nadal and Goffin. The difference with Goffin is however that he just doesn't use extra weight on his racket.

And about Nadals racket; ±355 swingweight on a 314 or 319 frame is extremely head heavy when compared to a any stock racket.
 
If he's using a stock kblade, i dont doubt it. The old blades were amazing rackets, I especially love the k blade and the 2013 blade, and the 2015 16x19 blade is pretty damn good with lux alu power in it. The 2015 wilson blade 18x20 and the new blades are trash and I don't think a pro player could ever play with them.
 

ron schaap

Professional
You are kind off going against your own logic, but ok.

You ask yourself why people are obsessed with ''Pro Stock'' rackets, you argue it's basically BS because Goffin can be a top 10 player with a "normal built of the shelf" racket and that Nadal is also just using an old APD with 19 grams of extra weight.

So to clear up your confusion; when pro players started playing with a certain racket, racket companies will still have those rackets or molds in their archive and keep supplying them to those pro players over the years and those rackets are called: "Pro Stock rackets". So when Gilles Simon started his career with a Head Pro Tour 630, Head will keep giving him that racket or the mold of that racket adjusted to his preferred specs, and that racket is then called a PT57. So at that point a stock frame with lead is called a pro stock. The same yields for Nadal and Goffin. The difference with Goffin is however that he just doesn't use extra weight on his racket.

And about Nadals racket; ±355 swingweight on a 314 or 319 frame is extremely head heavy when compared to a any stock racket.
So it's a matter of definition. To me pro stock, are special frames made available only to pros. Pro stocks are not old consumer frames. I recently bought an old original apd.. I dont consider this as a pro stock, even if i added 19 gr. The same with Goffins racket. I can actually buy those secondshandfor a reasonable price. However pt57, h22 and the like were to my knowledge never avaible to the public.
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
So it's a matter of definition. To me pro stock, are special frames made available only to pros. Pro stocks are not old consumer frames. I recently bought an old original apd.. I dont consider this as a pro stock, even if i added 19 gr. The same with Goffins racket. I can actually buy those secondshandfor a reasonable price. However pt57, h22 and the like were to my knowledge never avaible to the public.
I think the difference is the paint. Once production for the public has stopped and then wilson makes more with paint of a newer model that has different specs - what do you consider that?

I don’t think of prostock as a lofty unicorn, it is just a stock or supply of goods that are only available to professionals.

Borna Coric apparently plays with a prostock base grip, wilson sells nothing like it currently.
 
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ron schaap

Professional
I think the difference is the paint. Once production for the public has stopped and then wilson makes more with paint of a newer model that has different specs - what do you consider that?

I don’t think of prostock as a lofty unicorn, it is just a stock or supply of goods that are only available to professionals.

Borna Coric apparently plays with a prostock base grip, wilson sells nothing live it currently.
well pros endorsing frame x, but playing frame y, i call cheaters. I oppose the logic that normal frames we could buy in the shop 9 years ago, suddenly becomes pro stock because some pro rather plays with it instead with the newer updated model.
 

Frans Bleker

Professional
well pros endorsing frame x, but playing frame y, i call cheaters. I oppose the logic that normal frames we could buy in the shop 9 years ago, suddenly becomes pro stock because some pro rather plays with it instead with the newer updated model.
And I oppose the logic that most chairs have 4 legs..
 

racquetreligion

Hall of Fame
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Red Hood

New User
I don’t know why it’s hard for people to wrap their head about pros using a low or stock retail specs because I have Taylor fritz frames. It is a pretty light racquet compare to most pros used back in the days. Silicone injected in the handle (no lead in hoop). It’s pretty much an IG radical mp but slightly more headlight.

Also, why would you need a pro stock version babolat? Babolat are light weight and high sw as is. You would need to get your head check for spending $300-400 on a pro stock babolat.

Based on my experience, pro stocks aren’t magical wand. Use that $300-400 on lessons and private coaching. Technique is key.
 
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TennisHound

Legend
Pro Stocks are usually head heavier and are hard to play with (for me). They’re made for younger stronger players who can murder the ball. It is surprising that Goffin and Fritz get so much pace with their skinny build and lighter frames.
 

Jouke

Rookie
I left these frames back at home in California, so I don't have them within my reach.
From what I remember, it was:

Head IG Radical MP/TGT 260.3
Unstrung specs: 300 grams (Silicone in handle), 32 cm, no lead tape on the hoop.
Standard Length: 27"
Grip size: 4 1/2

Like I said it is pretty light. Swing weight felt like 320-325? I don't have a RDC machine.

I am curious about David Goffin's specs because it does seem like it's just a regular KB98. I also have a pro stock blade (same specs as a stock KB98) and it can hit a heavy ball as well. I would use the racquet more if the grip size is slightly bigger.
Thx! 300g unstrung, with leather grip? Overgrip? That would really make for a superlight stick. How does it play? Didnt realise he played such a big grip!
 

JG0185

New User
Nostradamus is like that guy that knows only one (or very few) joke/s, and tells that to everyone he meets, regardless if he told it to them already 30 times. It is not even funny to think about him as deranged. His is borderline mental illness.

:cool:
Lol. Considering he is a 'talk tennis guru' that scary.
 

ron schaap

Professional
I don’t know why it’s hard for people to wrap their head about pros using a low or stock retail specs because I have Taylor fritz frames. It is a pretty light racquet compare to most pros used back in the days. Silicone injected in the handle (no lead in hoop). It’s pretty much an IG radical mp but slightly more headlight.

Also, why would you need a pro stock version babolat? Babolat are light weight and high sw as is. You would need to get your head check for spending $300-400 on a pro stock babolat.

Based on my experience, pro stocks aren’t magical wand. Use that $300-400 on lessons and private coaching. Technique is key.
Finally someone who dont trust the hype and the fake news on this forum ;)
Also this thread is about Goffins racquet, which some find it hard to believe its basically an old Wilson blade in stock form. Lol
 
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