Goffin racket

cyanide43

Rookie
Guys, it's not that complicated.

I teach tennis at an academy and have been weighting and matching racquets for the players with the usage of an RDC. The difference a properly weighted racquet makes for a top junior player is immediate and pretty amazing. Depth, directional control, and ability to play offense are impacted right away.

It comes down to this:

Elite pros must customize their racquets to compete at the highest level. There are pros that don't know any better playing around the 1000s (former college players, Operation Liftoff Alex Donski). They are LIMITED by the racquet they use. I've played tennis long enough to see the difference--former division 1 player. Swingweight is the most important factor, and it must must must be at least 335+. Stock racquets are 320s.

The pros do this by getting an MRT, an outside company like Ring Roll or P1, or a representative from their racquet company (i.e. Wilson Pro Room), to add weight under the bumper and in the handle.

It doesn't matter how incredibly fit, or strong, or how good your hand eye coordination is. Stock racquets cap off your level of play at a certain level--for many academy players, that means a big college. The insane talents can make it to around the 1000s with stock racquets. It's simply too difficult to play higher than that level with a stock racquet.

Stock racquets are made with the average consumer in mind and perform as such.
 
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RanchDressing

Hall of Fame
Guys, it's not that complicated.

I teach tennis at an academy and have been weighting and matching racquets for the players with the usage of an RDC. The difference a properly weighted racquet makes for a top junior player is immediate and pretty amazing. Depth, directional control, and ability to play offense are impacted right away.

It comes down to this:

Elite pros must customize their racquets to compete at the highest level. There are pros that don't know any better playing around the 1000s (former college players, Operation Liftoff Alex Donski). They are LIMITED by the racquet they use. I've played tennis long enough to see the difference--former division 1 player. Swingweight is the most important factor, and it must must must be at least 335+. Stock racquets are 320s.

The pros do this by getting an MRT, an outside company like Ring Roll or P1, or a representative from their racquet company (i.e. Wilson Pro Room), to add weight under the bumper and in the handle.

It doesn't matter how incredibly fit, or strong, or how good your hand eye coordination is. Stock racquets cap off your level of play at a certain level--for many academy players, that means a big college. The insane talents can make it to around the 1000s with stock racquets. It's simply too difficult to play higher than that level with a stock racquet.

Stock racquets are made with the average consumer in mind and perform as such.

I agree with everything, except my experience in the retail world leads me to believe it's a bit more nefarious than simply being light for rec players to have easy to use frames. I think they undermine the weight discussion so that they can help "technologies" appear to be worth buying, and actually responsible for performance. Most technologies also coincide with specific weight changes (changing of sweet spot location, changing of twist weight or swing weight, changing of static weight), and the weight changes coincide with most of the marketing claims attached to the "technologies" being sold.

I can come up with several examples of that. And I can find several examples of higher swing weight frames that players don't find difficult to use in the slightest but enjoy quite a lot. I think companies don't want people to understand the effect swing weight really has as it can really hurt the marketability of their products.
 
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ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Guys, it's not that complicated.

I teach tennis at an academy and have been weighting and matching racquets for the players with the usage of an RDC. The difference a properly weighted racquet makes for a top junior player is immediate and pretty amazing. Depth, directional control, and ability to play offense are impacted right away.

It comes down to this:

Elite pros must customize their racquets to compete at the highest level. There are pros that don't know any better playing around the 1000s (former college players, Operation Liftoff Alex Donski). They are LIMITED by the racquet they use. I've played tennis long enough to see the difference--former division 1 player. Swingweight is the most important factor, and it must must must be at least 335+. Stock racquets are 320s.

The pros do this by getting an MRT, an outside company like Ring Roll or P1, or a representative from their racquet company (i.e. Wilson Pro Room), to add weight under the bumper and in the handle.

It doesn't matter how incredibly fit, or strong, or how good your hand eye coordination is. Stock racquets cap off your level of play at a certain level--for many academy players, that means a big college. The insane talents can make it to around the 1000s with stock racquets. It's simply too difficult to play higher than that level with a stock racquet.

Stock racquets are made with the average consumer in mind and perform as such.
I dont contest your teaching or other capabilities, but this thread is abouit Goffins racquet, who still plays with an normal older type wilson blade without even tuning. Confirmed by dozens but not believed by ranchdresser because it doesnt fit in his theory. Furthermore Thiem used an analtered stock Babolat pure strike which brought him, like Goffin with his light stock frame, to the TOP 10 ATP!
QED
also why do you call Donski a college player? This Russian player has been top 100 with his Babolat Pure drive roddick.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Looks like 98 18 x20 to me.

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agree, it is definitely Dense string pattern..... it is very control oriented Not spin friendly frame. it looks like it suits him well. What is the flex on that racket ? I wonder ?
 
Here is a photo of David Goffin's racket taken last year:

DavidGoffinRacket01.jpg


The unstrung weight and balance (including overgrip) for the above racket was 306g and 32.5cm.

His string setup was:

Mains - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 22.0 KGS
Crosses - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 21.0 KGS

Hope this can be of help,

ProStringing
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Here is a photo of David Goffin's racket taken last year:

DavidGoffinRacket01.jpg


The unstrung weight and balance (including overgrip) for the above racket was 306g and 32.5cm.

His string setup was:

Mains - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 22.0 KGS
Crosses - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 21.0 KGS

Hope this can be of help,

ProStringing
Thanks man I’m making my popcorn now awaiting that guy ranch dressing and rest of the denial company
 

Red Hood

Rookie
Here is a photo of David Goffin's racket taken last year:

DavidGoffinRacket01.jpg


The unstrung weight and balance (including overgrip) for the above racket was 306g and 32.5cm.

His string setup was:

Mains - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 22.0 KGS
Crosses - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 21.0 KGS

Hope this can be of help,

ProStringing

Yup that's pretty much stock
 
That’s not his current setup. Look at this video from about 1h29. He does say that he tries different weights but not how heavy his racket is. His current setup is 16/19 strings with 23/22kg which isn’t surprising coming from 18/20 at 22/21 ofcourse.
 
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red rook

Guest
Looks like he dabbled in 16x19 (not even sure that’s a blade in 16x19 a few posts above), but returned to what is comfortable for him, the 18x20 blade he’s played for years.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
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Does my eyes deceived me? looks like 18x20 at the Marseille Open.
It is. I think he's been using that string pattern for a while now. he is flat hitting control type of player so it makes sense. and but what is that new Green looking string ?
 

cyanide43

Rookie
Even if the weight is that light, it's likely the swingweight is high. He could be starting with a prostock model (note the glossy paint) that's 290ish unstrung. Of course, just speculation.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Even if the weight is that light, it's likely the swingweight is high. He could be starting with a prostock model (note the glossy paint) that's 290ish unstrung. Of course, just speculation.
Why you speculate?
Because you too cant believe he just plays an old model of the shelf kblade? Many others confirmed this anyway.
 

Hansen

Professional
Because you too cant believe he just plays an old model of the shelf kblade? Many others confirmed this anyway.
the stock kblde racquets of a friend of mine had a swingweight of 345 and 350. so stock means nothing with wilsons quality control.
 
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red rook

Guest
Because of his complaints on the arm, goffin has changed his pattern from 18x20 to 16x19.

See 1:30:23

Well interestingly he’s back to 18x20. It’s unclear whether it’s because he’s made amends to reduce or eliminate his complaints on the arm issue, or to return just for performance/familiararity. Probably a little of both.
 

haegger

Semi-Pro
Here is a photo of David Goffin's racket taken last year:

DavidGoffinRacket01.jpg


The unstrung weight and balance (including overgrip) for the above racket was 306g and 32.5cm.

His string setup was:

Mains - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 22.0 KGS
Crosses - Luxilon Big Banger Alu Power 17 (1.25) @ 21.0 KGS

Hope this can be of help,

ProStringing

You are always precise, @ProStringing ! Thanks for the share.
 
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dgoran

Hall of Fame
Guys, it's not that complicated.

I teach tennis at an academy and have been weighting and matching racquets for the players with the usage of an RDC. The difference a properly weighted racquet makes for a top junior player is immediate and pretty amazing. Depth, directional control, and ability to play offense are impacted right away.

It comes down to this:

Elite pros must customize their racquets to compete at the highest level. There are pros that don't know any better playing around the 1000s (former college players, Operation Liftoff Alex Donski). They are LIMITED by the racquet they use. I've played tennis long enough to see the difference--former division 1 player. Swingweight is the most important factor, and it must must must be at least 335+. Stock racquets are 320s.

The pros do this by getting an MRT, an outside company like Ring Roll or P1, or a representative from their racquet company (i.e. Wilson Pro Room), to add weight under the bumper and in the handle.

It doesn't matter how incredibly fit, or strong, or how good your hand eye coordination is. Stock racquets cap off your level of play at a certain level--for many academy players, that means a big college. The insane talents can make it to around the 1000s with stock racquets. It's simply too difficult to play higher than that level with a stock racquet.

Stock racquets are made with the average consumer in mind and perform as such.
So what you are saying Goffin would have been number one all this time had he applied little bit of lead to his stock blade given his result with the stock blade that “capped off” his level
 

gutfeeling

Hall of Fame
I bet he got use to off spec blade as a junior and stuck to that I have certainly seen stock baldes from 31.5 to 33

Fair. I’ve seen him play in person. He’s def not using a djoker club. He’s a very quick/whippy player.


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aaron_h27

Hall of Fame
I don't doubt Goffin is using a stock racket, there are some insane talents that can make stock rackets work like Kyrgios, Tiafoe, etc...but if you look at the top players over the years stock rackets aren't the norm, and Goffin probably won't win slams. Some blades have swingweights in the 330's which can be played at a high level with
 

Alexh22

Professional
I agree the fact Stock racquet do cap player at a certain level. Djokovic didn’t take off with his lm radical instead he did the rocket jump after having H22 made for him and it went from there. There is almost zero chance he can be what he is today with those stock radicals.
 

Alexh22

Professional
Yet why do companies conceal their pro stock is beyond me. The h22 is very easy to use for a normal weekend player yet wilson will likely never release it in my life time. It is a shame they charge so much for some sticks that have so many flaws.
 

Alexh22

Professional
Although I have never used a pro stock blade 98 but I doubt Goffin nor Tsitsipas uses an actual blade we can buy from the shop. There are material differences where customization cannot bridge. Either way I just don’t see Goffin winning a slam in his career. Not only for the racquet but I think he has used his body to its max potential.
 

blablavla

G.O.A.T.
Although I have never used a pro stock blade 98 but I doubt Goffin nor Tsitsipas uses an actual blade we can buy from the shop. There are material differences where customization cannot bridge. Either way I just don’t see Goffin winning a slam in his career. Not only for the racquet but I think he has used his body to its max potential.

@Alexh22 can I ask you why you don't bash Wilson for not selling you what the real athletes like Tsitsipas and Goffin use but instead of this sell you some marketing gimmick? just like you do in other threads related to a different brand?
why such a different approach?
 
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