Goffin slams Zverev: "He doesn't care a bit about others"

[r2473]

Loving the comments in this thread. I happen to agree with Goffin. Just because you can get away with gamesmanship, doesn't mean you should.

On the other hand, when you play professional tennis, I guess anything goes as long as the officials don't/can't stop it. So they are creating an atmosphere where gamesmanship is rewarded. As such, everyone ought to engage in as much gamesmanship as they possibly can and put the onus on the officials to punish them. Absent any real punishment (which is not likely), ANYTHING you can do to disrupt your opponent, you ought to do.

Think about it, if you are a complete horses ass in every way possible AND it disrupts your opponent, then your tactics are successful and you ought to do them. If I were Goffin's coach, I'd advise him to start being a complete and utter ***** to all the other players during a match. Zverev is mentally weak, so you wouldn't need to do much to set him off and win by gamesmanship. This is exactly what Goffin (and everyone else) ought to be doing until the ATP puts a stop to it (which they won't, as has been proven over and over).

As TT proves, what the fans like is a winner. Doesn't matter in some respects how you win, just so you do. And when your opponent complains about the way you won (gamesmanship and just being a dick), it's just seen as sour grapes.

Gilbert's book should be renamed from "Winning Ugly" to "How to be a complete and utter dick and win tennis matches", because that's what it's really about.

 

[Sysyphus]

Can we not at least agree that the picture you shared was as equally as absurd?

We don't have to agree on players. But if we're about starting to attack each other personally on the image we think we have of them based on a few forum posts, I'm out of this forum. For good.

And I'm not saying you or Rick are doing this all the time, but it's a slippery slope. I really didn't appreciate the personal attack. His, not yours. I didn't feel attacked by you. But I didn't care for the image either.

Sorry, but I don't feel bad about posting the picture. Haven't read Rick's post in this thread except for the one I quoted, so I can't answer for him.

Any way we spin it, TTW posters using elite tennis pros level of achievement as some kind of putdown is ironic, and so I think a picture of an armchair quarterback is the least you should be able to handle as a response to that.

If you found it offensive, then I'm sorry to hear that, but if that level of banter cannot be tolerated in here then I'd be equally 'out of here'.

 

[True Fanerer]

Tennis right now feels like one of those TV shows or animes where others are slugging it out and we are all waiting for the protagonist to return finally.

 

[Mainad]

@Mainad Berdych has also done nothing according to TTW, so Goffin beat nothing.

That's just cruel, @Federer and Del Potro.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Sorry, but I don't feel bad about posting the picture. Haven't read Rick's post in this thread except for the one I quoted, so I can't answer for him.

Any way we spin it, TTW posters using elite tennis pros level of achievement as some kind of putdown is ironic, and so I think a picture of an armchair quarterback is the least you should be able to handle as a response to that.

If you found it offensive, then I'm sorry to hear that, but if that level of banter cannot be tolerated in here then I'd be equally 'out of here'.

The image didn't bother me actually. I don't personally consider personal potshot attempts as banter. Banter is lighthearted, insulting someone you don't know is not banter.

Again, not about you. I didn't feel personally attacked by you.

 

[Krish872007]

I thought fan wars were pretty bad/extreme with Fed/Nadal/Djokovic at the top.

Now it looks like it could get even worse once Zverev and the others truly ascend to the top of the sport, it's been a while since I've seen such polarisation on TTW.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I thought fan wars were pretty bad/extreme with Fed/Nadal/Djokovic at the top.

Now it looks like it could get even worse once Zverev and the others truly ascend to the top of the sport, it's been a while since I've seen such polarisation on TTW.

Oh yeah, it's going to get worse.

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Anyway..

It is what it is at the end of the day ladies and gentleman. I would however appreciate if someone has a personal problem with me to take it to the private messages, where we can hash it out like rational adults. And if you ever see me going after someone in a personal manner, feel free to skewer me on my own hypocrisy.

It is my aim to never do that.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Loving the comments in this thread. I happen to agree with Goffin. Just because you can get away with gamesmanship, doesn't mean you should.

On the other hand, when you play professional tennis, I guess anything goes as long as the officials don't/can't stop it. So they are creating an atmosphere where gamesmanship is rewarded. As such, everyone ought to engage in as much gamesmanship as they possibly can and put the onus on the officials to punish them. Absent any real punishment (which is not likely), ANYTHING you can do to disrupt your opponent, you ought to do.

Think about it, if you are a complete horses ass in every way possible AND it disrupts your opponent, then your tactics are successful and you ought to do them. If I were Goffin's coach, I'd advise him to start being a complete and utter ***** to all the other players during a match. Zverev is mentally weak, so you wouldn't need to do much to set him off and win by gamesmanship. This is exactly what Goffin (and everyone else) ought to be doing until the ATP puts a stop to it (which they won't, as has been proven over and over).

As TT proves, what the fans like is a winner. Doesn't matter in some respects how you win, just so you do. And when your opponent complains about the way you won (gamesmanship and just being a dick), it's just seen as sour grapes.

Gilbert's book should be renamed from "Winning Ugly" to "How to be a complete and utter dick and win tennis matches", because that's what it's really about.

Wait..but wouldn't that make Zverev more liked lol. He is winning, no?

 

[True Fanerer]

Shapo needs to step it up to bring some order back after Fedal retire.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Shapo needs to step it up to bring some order back after Fedal retire.

Or almost kill another ump

 

[Plamen1234]

Shapo needs to step it up to bring some order back after Fedal retire.

Seriously I like Shapo.I hope he becomes Top player and wins Grand Slams.

 

[True Fanerer]

Or almost kill another ump

Zverev needs a rival.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Zverev needs a rival.

Well we have 44,071 members on TTW. Minus the 5 Zverev fans on here, he has 44,066 rivals.

 

[Standaa]

I’m 3 pages behind on this thread, it’s gonna be juicy

 

[True Fanerer]

Well we have 44,071 members on TTW. Minus the 5 Zverev fans on here, he has 44,066 rivals.

Lol I mean on the tennis court. Thiem lol. Dimitrov isn't scared, but he should be. Chung has no serve yet. Nishikori is injured 24/7. Who knows how FAA will turn out.

 

[True Fanerer]

There are some I missed, but really who else besides Shapo? Kyrgios isn't serious enough, but I wish he was.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Ultimately @Sysyphus look at it this way, let's juxtapose Zverev and Goffin. Same exact press conference, same exact everything. Same thread posted on TTW. Just roles reversed.

Many of the members bashing Zverev would still be bashing him lol. That's all I meant by the hypocrisy thing. It's not some great big deep thing. And it's not something I'm not immune to either. Nobody is.

I'd be calling Zverev a sore loser as well in the same instance. Others opinions would change completely. Inherently hypocritical, no?

 

[fundrazer]

We're not allowed to post pictures, gifs, or memes of any sort on this forum. This is the new Tennis Warehouse. I'll see you on Top Sp..Tennis World Tour.

It's just my opinion, but you guys have been overdoing it lately. If it was in better taste and actually funny I wouldn't mind. Quality over quantity of posts.

Also, none of the professional tennis players need anybody to "defend" them.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

It's just my opinion, but you guys have been overdoing it lately. If it was in better taste and actually funny I wouldn't mind. Quality over quantity of posts.

Also, none of the professional tennis players need anybody to "defend" them.

I'll tone them down. A lot of it is just being bored by CC season, at this rate grass looking as boring.

The second part I agree with completely. That's why I said many times let's keep it about the athletes/tennis, not attacking each other personally.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

It's just my opinion, but you guys have been overdoing it lately. If it was in better taste and actually funny I wouldn't mind. Quality over quantity of posts.

Also, none of the professional tennis players need anybody to "defend" them.

I will add though, that's all this forum pretty much is at the end of the day. Athletes being defended, argued about etc.

That's all it'll ever be, really.

 

[r2473]

Wait..but wouldn't that make Zverev more liked lol. He is winning, no?

He’s talked about. That’s what’s important.

 

[Sysyphus]

Ultimately @Sysyphus look at it this way, let's juxtapose Zverev and Goffin. Same exact press conference, same exact everything. Same thread posted on TTW. Just roles reversed.

Many of the members bashing Zverev would still be bashing him lol. That's all I meant by the hypocrisy thing. It's not some great big deep thing. And it's not something I'm not immune to either. Nobody is.

I'd be calling Zverev a sore loser as well in the same instance. Others opinions would change completely. Inherently hypocritical, no?

yep

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

yep

I think a lot of stuff was misinterpreted here, and I will do better in the future to be more transparent and leave less between the lines/ambiguous so to speak.

 

[Standaa]

No way, Zverev is exactly what we need. A polarizing pretty boy who is brash and bold.

This will guarantee TTW wars for YEARS to come.

The only unfamiliarity I am facing here is not conforming to the TTW hivemind.

What the Federer haters sought to destroy they became themselves...the Anti Zverev hivemind.

This is the NEW META.

This place is a paradise for hypocrisy. How come you still haven’t reconciled? You’ve been here far longer than I did.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

This place is a paradise for hypocrisy. How come you still haven’t reconciled? You’ve been here far longer than I did.

Easier to bat a blind eye when the hypocrisy is in favor of your favorites (Federer).

Zverev isn't part of the hivemind so you will get the TTW wrath if you don't conform to the memes.

I now see why some Nadal fans on here have gone "Crazy"

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Insightful observation.

In today's final we saw some Federer fans rooting for Nadal, in spite of the win costing Fed #1.

It's not hard to imagine Nadal fans rooting for Fed in a similar context.

Zverev is the antidote to the eventual downfall of Fedal empire.
Gold chains dangling around his neck?
Bowling pin legs you hope he trips over?
Annoying shirt lifting?
Adidas?
Looks like something right out of Mein Kampf in the selective breeding section?

check, check check, check and fabulously check.

What's not to hate for absolutely no reason?

Zverev might not be the person we want, but dammit, he's the one we need.

Lol, Rusty, Zverev is of russian origin.

You crack me up with your ignorance.

 

[AiRFederer]

I think the whole damn forum should just go stand in the corner until Federer is back.

Daddy goes away for 5 mins and all hell breaks loose.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Daddy goes away for 5 mins and all hell breaks loose.

Sorry, Dad.

Jesus, I have to stop collecting dads.

 

[Standaa]

Sorry, Dad.

Jesus, I have to stop collecting dads.

How was this "he’s my dad" joke born anyway? I’m genuinely curious

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

How was this "he’s my dad" joke born anyway? I’m genuinely curious

@Meles was memeing Tomas Berdych hardcore before the 2018 season started. I proclaimed that I would become Berdych's son and propel him to new, great heights. He then won Tie Break Tens, besting Rafa in the final. This led to me placing a 50 dollar bet on Berdych to win AO 2018 prior to the draw. I would have gotten back something like 2 grand if he had done it.

Then I told him straight up before his match with Federer that if he lost I was emancipating from him and would no longer be his son. As you could see, his nerves killed him in the first set. And that was the day...that I lost my dad.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

In retrospect, I really should be easier on Berdych, his only career loss with me as his son was to Federer. But I have premium standards.

 

[Standaa]

@Meles was memeing Tomas Berdych hardcore before the 2018 season started. I proclaimed that I would become Berdych's son and propel him to new, great heights. He then won Tie Break Tens, besting Rafa in the final. This led to me placing a 50 dollar bet on Berdych to win AO 2018. I would have gotten back something like 2 grand if he had done it.

Then I told him straight up before his match with Federer that if he lost I was emancipating from him and would no longer be his son. As you could see, his nerves killed him in the first set. And that was the day...that I lost my dad.

Berdych winning some exho led you to throw 50 bucks out of the window? Still doesn’t explain why exactly did you decide to call yourself his SON, but it’s pretty funny.

Who knows what could have happened had he converted that SP in the first set, but who cares. He lost a place in the final, the money, the prestige and part of his family. Do you bet like this regularly?

 

[ak24alive]

I have become exactly what I’ve hated.

I am Zverev.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Berdych winning some exho led you to throw 50 bucks out of the window? Still doesn’t explain why exactly did you decide to call yourself his SON, but it’s pretty funny.

Who knows what could have happened had he converted that SP in the first set, but who cares. He lost a place in the final, the money, the prestige and part of his family. Do you bet like this regularly?

Oh, I knew I was losing the 50 bucks lmao. I was committed to the meme.

No, I don't bet hardly at all, it was just a joke bet.

 

[Gary Duane]

Alexander Zverev gets slammed by David Goffin

David Goffin didn't like Alexander Zverev's attitude during their quarter-finals match at the Rome Open on Friday that the German player won in three sets. In particular, Goffin didn't like Zverev changing his racquet several times, and so losing time between points, which influenced Goffin's focus.

'He doesn’t care a bit about others,' the Belgian told press when it was after 1:00 AM. Goffin also said that he felt that he was the better player during the match. He wasn't successful with how he was broken back in the third set.


Ben Rothenber

“He doesn’t care a bit about others,” Goffin said of Zverev after their match last night, frequently delayed by Sascha. #ibi18 https://twitter.com/carole_bouchard/status/997618968453054465 …

http://www.**************.org/tenni...lexander-zverev-gets-slammed-by-david-goffin/

You are quoting this negativity to prove that your condemnation of this kid as the Anti-Christ of tennis is justified.

Goffin?

SOUR GRAPES

 

[Standaa]

I was committed to the meme.

Memes rule the world, apparently. I thought it was pu*sy, but no it’s memes.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Memes rule the world, apparently. I thought it was pu*sy, but no it’s memes.

Lost my Dad but Fed won #20. worth it

 

[Standaa]

Lost my Dad but Fed won #20. worth it

Your ex-mom is a MILF, btw.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Your ex-mom is a MILF, btw.

Part of the reason for the emancipation, tbh.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

I wouldn’t care if she was my mother, just look at her.

People like to meme on Berdych but would you rather have 20 trophies or this gorgeous babe? That’s what I thought.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I wouldn’t care if she was my mother, just look at her.

People like to meme on Berdych but would you rather have 20 trophies or this gorgeous babe? That’s what I thought.

Defending Zverev not the only minority I'm a part of, I find Mirka to be cute.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Defending Zverev not the only minority I'm a part of, I find Mirka to be cute.

Yeah she’s cute and her relationship with Fed is adorable but come on now, Berdych’s wife is drop dead gorgeous, he’s won at life.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat08]

Tennis right now feels like one of those TV shows or animes where others are slugging it out and we are all waiting for the protagonist to return finally.

People miss Murray

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Yeah she’s cute and her relationship with Fed is adorable but come on now, Berdych’s wife is drop dead gorgeous, he’s won at life.

Berdych is a good looking guy, I remember in 2012 they showed him playing beach tennis during the Aussie Open and he was much more chiseled than Pretty Boy Z even.

 

[mike danny]

For now Goffin doesn't stand a chance against the top players. Zverev may have his flaws, which are totally correctable, but I would prefer him over Goffin to provide competition against the top guys.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

People miss Murray

More than you can imagine.

I miss him so much and I’m not even his biggest fan, can’t imagine how @Mainad feels.

 

[Standaa]

Defending Zverev not the only minority I'm a part of, I find Mirka to be cute.

Mirka was indeed pretty cute in her younger years, although you can’t say the same thing about her now and mean it.

 

[mike danny]

Let's hope that's the form he brings at Wimb

 

[Steve0904]

Or almost kill another ump

To be quite honest, I think it's time people let that one go as well. At least a bit. I know you were joking, but some others keep harping on it over and over. They still want his head on a spike for that.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

See now this thread is all warm and fuzzy.

We are all borderline psychotic to willingly take part in this social think tank.