Goffin slams Zverev: "He doesn't care a bit about others"

Jimbud

Semi-Pro
Zverev may not care about others, but it's not really his job to care about his opponent on court. For example there was a situation when the rain started where Nadal was down break point on a second serve. Zverev held up his second serve supposedly because of crowd movement behind the server. Plainly an alteration to the server's rhythm at that point is a negative. Zverev's opponents need to reciprocate...start breaking his rhythm on second serve and similar tactics.
And at one point in the third set, he went to change his racket and in the background you could see Nadal holding up his hands and pacing in frustration.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I think if somehow after the big 4 Nick wins a GS he might get serious after having tasted a GS victory.
I really hope he does.

Out of the younger guys, Nick is like the only player whose game has flair. His game is a bit like a hybrid between Fed's first strike tennis and Nadal / Monfils' athleticism and physicality (also Nadal's injury proneness).

Kokkinakis is fun to watch too, but he's a glass cannon...has the HP of Kei Nishikori with osteoporosis.
 

ak24alive

Legend
You’re a turtle dammit, snap out of it!

There’s no question in the “Anyone But Zverev” motto.

Our mission statement is to hate with nobility and commitment.
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ak24alive

Legend
I'd love to see it. I find his game highly entertaining and creative. I like the whole anti-hero persona as well.

I think this year's AO was tailor made for him to at least make the SF and possibly the F. He blew it to Dimitrov of all people and we've seen nothing since that time from Nick. It'd be fun to be wrong but it's probably not going to materialize.
His name doesn't even fit in "Believe" like Fed and Rafa's. But still I will say believe.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
@Meles was memeing Tomas Berdych hardcore before the 2018 season started. I proclaimed that I would become Berdych's son and propel him to new, great heights. He then won Tie Break Tens, besting Rafa in the final. This led to me placing a 50 dollar bet on Berdych to win AO 2018 prior to the draw. I would have gotten back something like 2 grand if he had done it.

Then I told him straight up before his match with Federer that if he lost I was emancipating from him and would no longer be his son. As you could see, his nerves killed him in the first set. And that was the day...that I lost my dad.
LOL you really put $50 on Bendy?:confused: Glad you've seen the light.;)
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I hate to be the guy to say this but who cares what David Goffin has to say about anything

Sad, but true. Goffin's comments just come off as sounding like sour grapes after a loss and as a bit of envy that this younger player Zverev, who is six years younger than Goffin, is achieving better results and has a brighter career ahead of him.

Boo hoo. You snooze you lose. This is a professional sport, not a quilting group.

What does it matter what Goffin has "done"? That's not what this is about at all. He's saying something about sportsmanship and you're saying something about results. Two different things:confused:

The point is, his comments sound nothing more than like sour grapes and envy of a guy who is six years younger than him and who has already achieved more. I'm sure there are a lot of catty b*tches in that locker room who will be envious of Zverev's rise and climb up the ladder. He'll have to learn how to deal with it all. It's a part of the package.
 
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Chadillac

Guest
I like goffin but he is sounding wta. Its not a frat house, its a competition, your not supposed to be friends or even care about each other.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
This is undoubtedly true and a good point. But think back when many other great players were young. When Sampras, Borg, Fed or Rafa were first coming into their own, there was nobody who was slamming them from the pro ranks. Nobody was saying "they don't care about others." Sure, with Nastase or Connors you heard that, but those were different types of guys and both were viscerally nasty from the very beginning.

Goffin probably will never win a slam, but he's a decent, quiet, soft spoken guy who is well behaved, well mannered and a gentleman on court. He has no history of slamming other players at all. He has personal experience with Zverev and slammed him. This is a big deal and relevant, whether Z's fans want to believe it or not. For a quiet, gentle guy like Goffin to rip Zverev a new one speaks volumes about him and what the top guys think about him in the locker room. And yeah, David Goffin is a "top guy" based on his ranking, whether you want to give him that credit or not.

It's not a big deal, nor is it relevant. Zverev surely won't be losing sleep about it as he counts his money and shines his three Masters 1000 trophies(how many does Goffin have?) Nobody cares and it comes off as sounding nothing more than catty from Goffin. It's a professional sport and you know as well as anybody that at the end of the day, winning big titles is all that matters. Zverev didn't almost whip an umpire's eye out with a tennis ball, did he? :oops:

I have no doubt that as Zverev wins more relevant titles, more people will jump on his bandwagon, including you. As you are all over the place with your posts, one day you say with conviction A, the next day, the opposite B with the same of conviction.

As for you telling us now that Goffin is a top guy, are you serious? You have had no hesitation in the past about calling Goffin a mug who can't beat top players. Now you trot out this sour grapes irrelevancy from Goffin to help your anti-Zedzilla campaign? Come on, dude. Can't you do better than that?

We need young players who challenge guys at the top. As I've said, at this point, I don't care who they are. If Zverev is one with balls enough to be able to do it, good for him.
 

Midaso240

Legend
It's not a big deal, nor is it relevant. Zverev surely won't be losing sleep about it as he counts his money and shines his three Masters 1000 trophies(how many does Goffin have?) Nobody cares and it comes off as sounding nothing more than catty from Goffin. It's a professional sport and you know as well as anybody that at the end of the day, winning big titles is all that matters. Zverev didn't almost whip an umpire's eye out with a tennis ball, did he? :oops:

I have no doubt that as Zverev wins more relevant titles, more people will jump on his bandwagon, including you. As you are all over the place with your posts, one day you say with conviction A, the next day, the opposite B with the same of conviction.

As for you telling us now that Goffin is a top guy, are you serious? You have had no hesitation in the past about calling Goffin a mug who can't beat top players. Now you trot out this sour grapes irrelevancy from Goffin to help your anti-Zedzilla campaign? Come on, dude. Can't you do better than that?

We need young players who challenge guys at the top. As I've said, at this point, I don't care who they are. If Zverev is one with balls enough to be able to do it, good for him.
So if it was say Wawrinka saying the same thing,suddenly it would be a valid point?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Well, no, I agree. She's not cute now, but she's still looking good for someone who's had 4 kids IMO. Some people however, go way over the line just because she's Federer's wife which I'm sure you know.

Not particularly, man. I know many women older than MIrka who have kids and who look better. It's not that Mirka looks bad now or is miles overweight(she isn't, only a bit) but it's that she appears matronly, like she goes out of her way to dress older than she is. She could look so much better with some simple wardrobe changes IMO. I mean, what is this tent she's wearing here for example?
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I agree with you that a lot of people try and go out of their way to criticize Mirka because she's Federer's wife but by the same token, the opposite is true, i.e. many Federer fans try to overly flatter Mirka because she's Federer's wife.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
So if it was say Wawrinka saying the same thing,suddenly it would be a valid point?

No, if Wawrinka said same after a loss to Zverev, it would come off as sour grapes too. But from a guy like Goffin, who's won squat, it really sounds sour.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Not particularly, man. I know many women older than MIrka who have kids and who look better. It's not that Mirka looks bad now or is miles overweight(she isn't, only a bit) but it's that she appears matronly, like she goes out of her way to dress older than she is. She could look so much better with some simple wardrobe changes IMO. I mean, what is this tent she's wearing here for example?
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Maybe she was pregnant with one set of twins at the time?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe she was pregnant with one set of twins at the time?

Ha, ha. I think it's from IW 2018. But, there are hundreds of different examples of Mirka's matronly wardrobe choices. For me, that's what makes her appear less attractive than she could be.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Ha, ha. I think it's from IW 2018. But, there are hundreds of different examples of Mirka's matronly wardrobe choices. For me, that's what makes her appear less attractive than she could be.

She's already got her man, had his kids and knows where the bodies are buried so maybe she doesn't feel the need to put herself out anymore? ;)
 

Alba Barragan

Professional
The point is, his comments sound nothing more than like sour grapes and envy of a guy who is six years younger than him and who has already achieved more. I'm sure there are a lot of catty b*tches in that locker room who will be envious of Zverev's rise and climb up the ladder. He'll have to learn how to deal with it all. It's a part of the package.

I don't quite agree with all your perspective, but I gave you a like because of the bolded part. I've been noticing something similar for the last few months, it seems to me some players are starting to look a little more reserved about Zverev now. It's not like they hate him or anything like that, but they just seem... disinterested? or a bit colder? At least if we compare them to how willing they were to recognize him when he was just debuting. The only ones who seem to be just as fond of Z as they were in the past are either players who have been friends of him for years, those who saw him grow up, and the big four.
 
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Deleted member 742196

Guest
Lol I love being a part of ttw culture :) in the year 3018 they will still tell stories of the slayage of Ultron, and how God sent rain to save the romans from Zverevians ;)

3018?

You’re wonderfully optimistic about the future of humanity, let alone tennis.

If 3018 is anything as good as you intimate I’ll have whatever nonsense is sprouted off TT.

Heck, with today’s troubles looming large I am happy for the distraction.
 
Not particularly, man. I know many women older than MIrka who have kids and who look better. It's not that Mirka looks bad now or is miles overweight(she isn't, only a bit) but it's that she appears matronly, like she goes out of her way to dress older than she is. She could look so much better with some simple wardrobe changes IMO. I mean, what is this tent she's wearing here for example?
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I agree with you that a lot of people try and go out of their way to criticize Mirka because she's Federer's wife but by the same token, the opposite is true, i.e. many Federer fans try to overly flatter Mirka because she's Federer's wife.

She dresses comfortably, and decently.

Not every woman has the natural figure to wear tight/ sculptured dresses.

She doesn't earn a living showing her body, so the only incentive to aim at certain figure is how well she feels in hers, and eventually what she is comfortable with in regard to her close family.

Also, what she is wearing in that picture seems to be a very comfortable and well made summer dress.

:cool:
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
3018?

You’re wonderfully optimistic about the future of humanity, let alone tennis.

If 3018 is anything as good as you intimate I’ll have whatever nonsense is sprouted off TT.

Heck, with today’s troubles looming large I am happy for the distraction.

Amen. The MAGA policies may kill us all.
 
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Deleted member 742196

Guest
I actually like Goffin. He's a bit of a flashy version of Davydenko who happens to look like Joffrey.

He plays intelligent tennis, and was making some big strides last year until the injury...huge shame about that.

Love Goffin’s brand of tennis. Redirection and sweet timing. Intelligent indeed.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Not particularly, man. I know many women older than MIrka who have kids and who look better. It's not that Mirka looks bad now or is miles overweight(she isn't, only a bit) but it's that she appears matronly, like she goes out of her way to dress older than she is. She could look so much better with some simple wardrobe changes IMO. I mean, what is this tent she's wearing here for example?
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I agree with you that a lot of people try and go out of their way to criticize Mirka because she's Federer's wife but by the same token, the opposite is true, i.e. many Federer fans try to overly flatter Mirka because she's Federer's wife.

I understand, but it is true that many people like to compare her to Xisca or Jelena, or Kim and act like it means something. Like it makes Federer somehow lesser because he ended up with Mirka (which was obviously a choice of his), who was very cute in her younger days. She could look better due to attire or whatever, but so what?

I'm not trying to flatter her, I'm just saying she's not as bad looking as many Federer haters make out. She's just not Xisca, Jelena, or Kim on the looks scale either.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Sad, but true. Goffin's comments just come off as sounding like sour grapes after a loss and as a bit of envy that this younger player Zverev, who is six years younger than Goffin, is achieving better results and has a brighter career ahead of him.

Boo hoo. You snooze you lose. This is a professional sport, not a quilting group.



The point is, his comments sound nothing more than like sour grapes and envy of a guy who is six years younger than him and who has already achieved more. I'm sure there are a lot of catty b*tches in that locker room who will be envious of Zverev's rise and climb up the ladder. He'll have to learn how to deal with it all. It's a part of the package.
Well said.

And speaking of ‘locker room’ that’s where issues like this should be handled. I’m sure if Goffin had walked over after the match in the locker room and said, ‘dude, that was a few too many non new ball racquet changes - not cool’, Zverev would have considered it. Now, hearing it thru the press he’s thinking ‘p*ssy’.

Laughing at the people up page saying Nadal was upset about a slight delay in the match. Oh, the irony.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Well said.

And speaking of ‘locker room’ that’s where issues like this should be handled. I’m sure if Goffin had walked over after the match in the locker room and said, ‘dude, that was a few too many non new ball racquet changes - not cool’, Zverev would have considered it. Now, hearing it thru the press he’s thinking ‘p*ssy’.

Laughing at the people up page saying Nadal was upset about a slight delay in the match. Oh, the irony.
Hm. Rafa is very positive about Sasha though:
“Tennis is tennis,” Nadal said. “In Grand Slams, or Masters 1000s, or any event, when you are able to win Masters 1000s, when you are able to compete well in all the events that he did already. It’s true that he did not have great results in a Grand Slam yet — because it didn’t happen. It was all a coincidence. It was impossible to don’t have a great result on Grand Slam when you have the level that he has.”

Nadal was more forceful when an Italian reporter suggested that Zverev might not be able to handle the best-of-five format.

“We’re going to do one thing: If he’s not playing well in Grand Slams in the next two years, you can come back to me and tell me ‘You don’t know anything about tennis,’” Nadal said. “I believe it’s going to be a different story. That’s my feeling: Tennis is tennis. Doesn’t matter best-of-three, best-of-five; and playing best-of-five is a bigger advantage for the best players, and Sascha is one of the best players, so it’s a big advantage for him, too.”


In the big picture its about winning matches and Goffin showed he is a bad loser.
 

merwy

G.O.A.T.
Honestly, I was a piece of crap at 21.
I get your point but that’s like giving bullies a pass because you used to be a bully. Bad behavior should still be corrected. Young assholes grow up to be douchebags if no one tells them what they’re doing is wrong.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure if it's been pointed out already, and I'm not about to sift through the 7 pages, but what he actually said was:

"Il s’en fout un peu des autres"

which translates into something like

"He doesn't really care [that much] about [the] others"

In French, this is not a harsh characteristic by any stretch of the imagination.

https://twitter.com/carole_bouchard/status/997618968453054465
 

AiRFederer

Hall of Fame
It's not a big deal, nor is it relevant. Zverev surely won't be losing sleep about it as he counts his money and shines his three Masters 1000 trophies(how many does Goffin have?) Nobody cares and it comes off as sounding nothing more than catty from Goffin. It's a professional sport and you know as well as anybody that at the end of the day, winning big titles is all that matters. Zverev didn't almost whip an umpire's eye out with a tennis ball, did he? :oops:

I have no doubt that as Zverev wins more relevant titles, more people will jump on his bandwagon, including you. As you are all over the place with your posts, one day you say with conviction A, the next day, the opposite B with the same of conviction.

As for you telling us now that Goffin is a top guy, are you serious? You have had no hesitation in the past about calling Goffin a mug who can't beat top players. Now you trot out this sour grapes irrelevancy from Goffin to help your anti-Zedzilla campaign? Come on, dude. Can't you do better than that?

We need young players who challenge guys at the top. As I've said, at this point, I don't care who they are. If Zverev is one with balls enough to be able to do it, good for him.
I primarily dont like Z because of his style of Tennis, just boring for me. But I dont get people not getting over "bad attitude" or arrogance, like these players who are better than 99.999% of the world's population can be saints. If a normal average person can be a twat to anyone, imagine what is going on in their heads.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I understand, but it is true that many people like to compare her to Xisca or Jelena, or Kim and act like it means something. Like it makes Federer somehow lesser because he ended up with Mirka (which was obviously a choice of his), who was very cute in her younger days. She could look better due to attire or whatever, but so what?

I'm not trying to flatter her, I'm just saying she's not as bad looking as many Federer haters make out. She's just not Xisca, Jelena, or Kim on the looks scale either.

Oh, I agree with you. My point was to say that while some people criticize her only because she's Fed's wife, by the same token, many Fed fans try and make her out to be Margot Robbie or something. She's average looking IMO. But the matronly clothing choices don't help her. There are 65-year-old women who look a lot younger due to the way they dress.

As for Xisca, Jelena, Kim they're all attractive but they aren't Berdych's wife or Raonic's ex-girlfriend in the looks dept either IMO. But this is a very subjective area so it's almost impossible for people to agree.
 
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cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I primarily dont like Z because of his style of Tennis, just boring for me. But I dont get people not getting over "bad attitude" or arrogance, like these players who are better than 99.999% of the world's population can be saints. If a normal average person can be a twat to anyone, imagine what is going on in their heads.

Yeah, Zverev's style of tennis isn't exactly enthralling and I'm not sure if I'm in for the long haul once Fedal retire but for one, I don't see what's so arrogant about Zverev and secondly, tennis players shouldn't be cookie cutouts. There has to be some individuality. Also, successful people do have a degree of arrogance usually. You have to be cut-throat to get to the top.
 

duaneeo

Legend
Count me in on that, because Nick has 100 times the talent than Z. Talent doesn't always equal results, but Nick has that spark. If he trained and was mentally into tennis, he would be a colossal star. Zverev to me is about on par with Raonic: a robot with minimal talent and a huge ego. Nick can be an ass, sure... but he's entertaining as hell!

As I've said before, you've been one of THE most vocal critics of the do-nothing young guns/LostGen. Yet, you've now become one of THE most vocal critics of Zverev (who has a "huge ego", but who trains, is mentally into tennis, and has stepped up and won big titles), while remaining a vocal supporter of Kyrgios (who's "an ass", but who doesn't train, isn't mentally into tennis, and hasn't stepped up and won big titles).

Zverev fans couldn't care less what others think of him, but the hypocrisy here is laughable.
 

Fabresque

Legend
Some of these responses make me sick. A whole bunch of “who is Goffin” and “sour grapes” and “He’s just jealous cuz daddy Zverev is better than him and younger”. You’ve missed the point, completely.

This isn’t about who’s the better player or who’s got the better success, this is about respecting your opponents. I for one find Zverev’s gamesmanship disrespectful to the other player. He needs to start shaping up, or else we have another Kyrgios on our hands.
Looks like I was right again.
 
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