Are these guys like former atp pros??? What the hell, some unreal shots there. Did not expect to see some of thoseRare video of high level non-pro tennis. And another interesting one.
Ok thats crazy...Rare video of high level non-pro tennis. And another interesting one.
I wasn't that impressed with the two guys in the first video,Ok thats crazy...
I mean ive made so much improvement in the past months and sometimes I hit really crazy shots and im like damn that was good... but compared to these two guys its absolutely nothing, on a whole different level..
I mean if u look at that top 100 U18 female and the guy, those two are hitting the ball really well, lots of spin nice pace, and it would overwhelm alot of posters on this forum.. but compared to those 2 guys in the other video (5.5 and 6.0) it looks like childs play, the shots are just on a whole different level, feel much much heavier.
What do you guys think, is it at all in the realm of possibility for a rec player to ever achieve the ability to hit these kind of heavy shots? Obviously im not talking about placement, accuracy and all, thats no doubt impossible to achieve..
But simply if its at all atainable to get the ability to hit such a heavy ball as these two are hitting here even if its not really that consistent and a bit rare meaning you really have to hit the ball perfectly.. If not possible, what do you think is the reason for that?
They seem only decent to you? I mean tactics and quality of play aside, the shots seem extremely high level to me, that blond guy serve seems like it would easily read 130mph on a radar gun, and the few shots (that they werent serve volleying) like the ones at the start seem to have extreme penetration through the court.I wasn't that impressed with the two guys in the first video,
though they're pretty decent.
And to answer your question, it depends on the rec player.
IF you're athletic, fit, and have the right skill-set, then it's
quite doable.
Hit against a wall/backboard everyday for a month. If you
still suck, pickleball might be a better choice
Or you can just keep hoping you'll magically get better, a
notion 'thats crazy'.
what NTRP are you?I wasn't that impressed with the two guys in the first video,
though they're pretty decent.
And to answer your question, it depends on the rec player.
IF you're athletic, fit, and have the right skill-set, then it's
quite doable.
Hit against a wall/backboard everyday for a month. If you
still suck, pickleball might be a better choice
Or you can just keep hoping you'll magically get better, a
notion 'thats crazy'.
Huh? They look like former futures level players.Ok thats crazy...
I mean ive made so much improvement in the past months and sometimes I hit really crazy shots and im like damn that was good... but compared to these two guys its absolutely nothing, on a whole different level..
I mean if u look at that top 100 U18 female and the guy, those two are hitting the ball really well, lots of spin nice pace, and it would overwhelm alot of posters on this forum.. but compared to those 2 guys in the other video (5.5 and 6.0) it looks like childs play, the shots are just on a whole different level, feel much much heavier.
@mad dog1 @J011yroger @rogerroger917
What do you guys think, is it at all in the realm of possibility for a rec player to ever achieve the ability to hit these kind of heavy shots? Obviously im not talking about placement, accuracy and all, thats no doubt impossible to achieve..
But simply if its at all atainable to get the ability to hit such a heavy ball as these two are hitting here even if its not really that consistent and a bit rare meaning you really have to hit the ball perfectly.. If not possible, what do you think is the reason for that?
Someone posted a rating scale here before comparing different rankings with gender, and other rating systems. I can't remember exactly, but i think 6.0 male is likely to be very competitive with female professionals who are current pros lol. Those guys are insanely good.They seem only decent to you? I mean tactics and quality of play aside, the shots seem extremely high level to me, that blond guy serve seems like it would easily read 130mph on a radar gun, and the few shots (that they werent serve volleying) like the ones at the start seem to have extreme penetration through the court.
Really hard for rec players to hit this quality shot consistently. Requires good stroke technique, spacing, and footwork.Ok thats crazy...
I mean ive made so much improvement in the past months and sometimes I hit really crazy shots and im like damn that was good... but compared to these two guys its absolutely nothing, on a whole different level..
I mean if u look at that top 100 U18 female and the guy, those two are hitting the ball really well, lots of spin nice pace, and it would overwhelm alot of posters on this forum.. but compared to those 2 guys in the other video (5.5 and 6.0) it looks like childs play, the shots are just on a whole different level, feel much much heavier.
@mad dog1 @J011yroger @rogerroger917
What do you guys think, is it at all in the realm of possibility for a rec player to ever achieve the ability to hit these kind of heavy shots? Obviously im not talking about placement, accuracy and all, thats no doubt impossible to achieve..
But simply if its at all atainable to get the ability to hit such a heavy ball as these two are hitting here even if its not really that consistent and a bit rare meaning you really have to hit the ball perfectly.. If not possible, what do you think is the reason for that?
The blonde guy has a big serve, no doubt, but his groundstrokes don't look as good.They seem only decent to you? I mean tactics and quality of play aside, the shots seem extremely high level to me, that blond guy serve seems like it would easily read 130mph on a radar gun, and the few shots (that they werent serve volleying) like the ones at the start seem to have extreme penetration through the court.
AND sh#tloads of practice!Really hard for rec players to hit this quality shot consistently. Requires good stroke technique, spacing, and footwork.
I would consider myself capable of at least 5.0.what NTRP are you?
Do you realize a 5.5 (the lower ranked player in that video) is like the top 1% of tennis players in the world, if not higher? I think we have a few legit 5.0s here, but they're rare. I don't think anyone is claiming above 5.0 ability on here, not even coaches.
Being a 5.0 has a lot to do with your level of athleticism.You're saying just go hit against a wall for a month every day and you'll instantly get to 5.5 ranking? Having hit a lot against the wall myself this past year, while I think its a great training tool and has improved my game, I'm for sure not a 5.5
Wow super impressive. Juggling a racquet looks really coolNow who's the real GOAT?!
Of course you would consider it. You hit against a wall. They’re terribly easy to beat—all you have to do is lob. What you don’t understand is that your ability to crabwalk and hit off your back foot doesn’t translate that well to actual competition. Until you actually have any results, all your claims hold no weight. That said, I would love to see you try. Perhaps you might gain a better grasp on reality.I would consider myself capable of at least 5.0.
(there's video, look for yourself)
Hitting against a wall is the ultimate test of how good you can get.Of course you would consider it. You hit against a wall. They’re terribly easy to beat—all you have to do is lob.
I love how you focus on the minor negative aspects of my hitting just for fun,What you don’t understand is that your ability to crabwalk and hit off your back foot doesn’t translate that well to actual competition.
Hey, if you can watch me hitting and just be derogatory, maybe it's your bad attitude tainting yourUntil you actually have any results, all your claims hold no weight. That said, I would love to see you try. Perhaps you might gain a better grasp on reality.
Why do trolls get so upset when they get trolled? Don’t they understand how it works?Hitting against a wall is the ultimate test of how good you can get.
You can't beat the wall, so instead you just denigrate what you can't tolerate.
I love how you focus on the minor negative aspects of my hitting just for fun,
when I'm tired and unfocused, and ignore the major aspects of my big hitting
and good movement.
Maybe you're just too crabby of an SOB, projecting and deflecting, to notice.
Hey, if you can watch me hitting and just be derogatory, maybe it's your bad attitude tainting your
perspective and perception.
The former ATP top 300 pro I hit with, and a college woman player, sure didn't think that way.
But hey, obviously some hacker schmuck like you would have a much 'better grasp on reality'
then those 2 accomplished nobodies.
hahahahahaha lololol good one, I needed that!I would consider myself capable of at least 5.0.
(there's video, look for yourself)
4.0s definitely have more consistency and comfortable with their strokes but more importantly their fitness/conditioning is good. They might not be super great athletes like 4.5s but they are fit. As a rec player, you can definitely reach 4.0 realistically but it would take some work and only way is from playing more matches.It looks like even 4.0 level requires a lot of consistency and skill.
It looks like even 4.0 level requires a lot of consistency and skill.
I would say, dark shirt guy looks very technically sound, and swings vigorously, but his shots don't bother the orange shirt too much. Both his Nadalish technique and (possibly) light stick (although stiff) might be responsible for lack of penetration. Together with his opponent being very sound in getting to balls this is a matchup for those rallies... Though, very limited number of mistakes is remarkable.Basically these guys playing 4.0 is really more 4.5 level. Even there this is crazy consistent and longer rallies than most matches at any level.
Whatever level you call it, 4.0 or 3.5, I don't mind, but this is the kind of tennis I play. Consistent and fairly aggressive, intensive. Over years you can fine tune your play to have better shot selection and a bit more variety instead of only loopy high topspin.It looks like even 4.0 level requires a lot of consistency and skill.
Never.At what level do people stop making lots of silly unforced errors?!
I thought that was too many for that level. Maybe it’s the pressure of playing the final.Never.
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Pressure got Dominic Thiem!I thought that was too many for that level. Maybe it’s the pressure of playing the final.
ATP and WTA pros make them all the time so @J011yroger already answered your question, its all mental, and even the best get tight sometimes in crucial moments, in practice they can hit 100 out of 100 if they really focus, but match is a whole different thing.At what level do people stop making lots of silly unforced errors?!
That's why "pushing" can be a very effective strategy at 4.0-4.5 level tennis.I thought that was too many for that level.
I'll let you know if it ever happens to me.At what level do people stop making lots of silly unforced errors?!
Would you call the error at 11:43 silly or unforced?At what level do people stop making lots of silly unforced errors?!
Nothing happens at 11.43 on my computer!Would you call the error at 11:43 silly or unforced?
It could be a "performance enhancement technique", a la "the 360 serve": serve and drop your racquet to make things more interesting.Nothing happens at 11.43 on my computer!![]()
The guy that lost??Whatever level you call it, 4.0 or 3.5, I don't mind, but this is the kind of tennis I play. Consistent and fairly aggressive, intensive. Over years you can fine tune your play to have better shot selection and a bit more variety instead of only loopy high topspin.
If you play like the guy in blue, practically no one in weekend mornings can beat you.You can see he has match experience.
Nice vid, pushing happens even at the ATP level.
I agree they are amazing. They move so well as if they carry no weight, so effective and elegant like a cat.If you ever get a chance to attend these top level juniors events, you basically get to see play at what many futures, college, and even pro level matches give you in terms of competition and play. What is interesting is, for this kinda match there are only a handful of people watching! I've been to matches like this and was amazing to watch, with just the parents and family there. Crazy.
For me, and what I like to promote as the #1 attribute players can develop, it is the footwork here that really stands out. Wish it was a longer video of the whole match, but a good 5 minutes to watch.
Did he lose?The guy that lost??![]()
Haha watch the game, interesting how it changes. The blue guy is playing himself going for too much and getting frustrated, the orange guy is playing the opponent.Did he lose?
It happensHe'll learn and improve only a matter of time. I like his intensity which is usually not found with recreational players.