Goran & Djokovic: do they share the same delusions?

[intrepidish]

Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview:

Ivanisevic exclusive: I can’t sleep now, but Novak will be ready for Wimbledon

Goran Ivanisevic, Novak Djokovic’s coach, feels that the body language and energy were the deciding factors in his loss to Nadal in Paris – and also spoke about the crowd, the scheduling…

www.tennismajors.com

This interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

I would have said the same thing if I were Djokovic's coach even if I didn't believe it. It's called mind games.

 

[GabeT]

Rent free even after Nadal wins

Sad!

 

[XiP]

Part of the job description is to share Djokovic's delusions. Vajda got tired of it.

 

[GabeT]

Part of the job description is to share Djokovic's delusions. Vajda got tired of it.

Hello new user!

 

[Zara]

Rent free even after Nadal wins

Sad!

intrepidish is more of a Novak hater than a Nadal lover. You should have gotten this by now!

 

[GabeT]

intrepidish is more of a Novak hater than a Nadal lover. You should have gotten this by now!

I guess we all have different motivations

 

[Arak]

I’m not a Djokovic hater, but I find Ivanisevic to be embarrassing.

 

[intrepidish]

Rent free even after Nadal wins

Nadal winning has precisely no bearing on the questions raised in the opening post. As for 'rent', you've been posting plenty about Nadal regardless of results and let's not forget the 'gotta admit I'm pissed' thread which is a cry for help paying your rent to Rafito.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Nobody should believe that Goran was hired for his intellectualism or incredible understanding of tennis.

That'd be hilarious.

(Bresnik once joked that Ivanisevic played "dumb tennis", mocking his brainless "strategies". This was in the mid-90s. Goran was tactically one of the very worst top 100 players. Total underachiever, tanker, clueless, headcase.)

Goran was hired for the same reasons Becker was, and nearly Agassi: to give Djokovic that extra confidence in the box, having an ATG (or in Goran's case, sub-ATG) watch his matches, rooting for him. It's an Ego thing, a prestige thing.

Plus they speak the same language, share the same mentality. It means a lot to Novak to cuss in Serbian and have Goran laugh and understand it. Goran may not have 8 slams to his name but he makes up for it in other ways.

Goran is a yes-man, and as such perfectly suited for the job, because as Novak's head gets bigger and bigger he is less and less likely to tolerate any dissension and opposing opinions.

The GREAT IRONY, though:

Goran is infamous for saying in 1992 that he'd "rather be on the battlefield killing Serbs than playing tennis".

Same year, he said he rooted for Seles to lose her Wimby final "because she is a Serb". (She is in fact Hungarian but nevermind... why would Goran know that.)

Destiny is weird.

 

[intrepidish]

Part of the job description is to share Djokovic's delusions. Vajda got tired of it.

It sure looks like Goran is the ultimate 'yes man' and simply desperately hopes people don't remember who said what.

 

[DSH]

In a word: Yes!

 

[skaj]

I think Ivanisevic is possibly more delusional.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

It sure looks like Goran is the ultimate 'yes man' and simply desperately hopes people don't remember who said what.

In these here parts most voters have extremely short memories when it comes to national elections, so he assumes that works everywhere equally.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

I think Ivanisevic is possibly more delusional.

Novak is an intellectual giant compared to Goran, but with the rapid rate of Novak's moral and intellectual decline, he is catching up...

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview:

Ivanisevic exclusive: I can’t sleep now, but Novak will be ready for Wimbledon

Goran Ivanisevic, Novak Djokovic’s coach, feels that the body language and energy were the deciding factors in his loss to Nadal in Paris – and also spoke about the crowd, the scheduling…

www.tennismajors.com

This interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.

You can't repeat the magic for 2nd year in a row, its simple.

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Part of the job description is to share Djokovic's delusions. Vajda got tired of it.

Novak and Goran will never split, because...

... Goran is from Split.

It would be too suitable.

Vajda on the other hand is from Povaska Bistrica which meant they could split without unnecessary, cheesy wordplay interfering.

 

[GabeT]

Nadal winning has precisely no bearing on the questions raised in the opening post. As for 'rent', you've been posting plenty about Nadal regardless of results and let's not forget the 'gotta admit I'm pissed' thread which is a cry for help paying your rent to Rafito.

Come on, charge Novak some money! Don’t let him live rent free in your head!

 

[GabeT]

Some Nadal fans are truly pathetic, but the fact they can’t just enjoy the fact their favorite has just won his 22nd slam shows how much Djokovic’s success hurt their feelings in the past.

An obsession that knows no bounds!

 

[XiP]

Novak and Goran will never split, because...

... Goran is from Split.

It would be too suitable.

Vajda on the other hand is from Povaska Bistrica which meant they could split without unnecessary, cheesy wordplay interfering.

Is this funny in Croatian?

 

[UnderratedSlam]

Is this funny in Croatian?

It's not funny in any language, it's totally cheesy.

But worthy of a TTW post, for sure...

Or, you could say it's funny coz it ain't funny, so there's a philosophical dilemma for you.

 

[intrepidish]

just enjoy the fact their favorite has just won his 22nd slam

Whether I enjoy Nadal winning RG (I do) has no bearing on the points raised in the opening post. However, perhaps Djokovic losing RG has some bearing on your unwillingness to take a look at the points raised in the opening post and that would be quite understandable.

In any case, since you and your friend seem intent on taking the thread off-topic, here are the points again:



Contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this. Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

He also follows up with more from that same bag: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

 

[GabeT]

You should report that post as well!

Dear mods, bad man is talking bad of my hero!!!

Are you neutral in the fan wars? Do you have a slam preference, say the USO? Always happy to welcome “new” users. You will find it fun here!

 

[XiP]

Novak and Goran love drama and intrepidish is helping them propagate drama. In a way, intrepidish is doing PR for Djokovic.

 

[Turning Pro]

To whoever says Nadal fans are pathetic;

What comes around, goes around.

I'm sure these some decent posters of both fanbases that balance this out though, so we all good.

 

[intrepidish]

Lol, you are obsessed

8 posts by you already (none on topic) and you're talking about other people and 'obsession.' I already asked you to stay on topic and so that we could avoid a 'Gabe special' i.e. calling in the moderators to deal with your disruptions.


Since you and your friend seem intent on taking the thread off-topic, here are the points again:



Contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this. Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

He also follows up with more from that same bag: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

 

[GabeT]

8 posts by you already (none on topic) and you're talking about other people and 'obsession.' I already asked you to stay on topic and so that we could avoid a 'Gabe special' i.e. calling in the moderators to deal with your disruptions.


Since you and your friend seem intent on taking the thread off-topic, here are the points again:



Contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this. Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

He also follows up with more from that same bag: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

The topic is that Nadal yesterday won his 22nd slam yet you seem bent on trolling other fan bases with ridiculous posts. Why are you so obsessed?

 

[Cupcake]

Rent free even after Nadal wins

Sad!

So you are trying to say that Novak and his coach are no longer relevant going into Wimbledon?

 

[GabeT]

So you are trying to say that Novak and his coach are no longer relevant going into Wimbledon?

The sole purpose of this thread is to troll other fanbases. Which I get but surely the day after RG22 a Nadal fan would want to focus on other things?

 

[intrepidish]

The topic is that Nadal yesterday won his 22nd slam yet you seem bent on trolling other fan bases with ridiculous posts. Why are you so obsessed?

11 posts from you and all off-topic. You have made 1/3 of all posts here in fact.

Here's the opening post. Please try to stay on topic lest we need to do a 'GabeT' and involve the moderators



Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview...this interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.

 

[GabeT]

9 posts from you and all off-topic. Here's the opening post. Please try to stay on topic lest we need to do a 'GabeT' and involve the moderators



Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview...this interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.

rent free

 

[Cupcake]

It sure looks like Goran is the ultimate 'yes man' and simply desperately hopes people don't remember who said what.

Whenever someone sticks a microphone in front of Goran, he feels obliged to say something. Thought not required. Turns out he's the perfect mouthpiece for Novak - meaning there are words for the hungry press, and Novak himself can remain out of the fray.

 

[intrepidish]

rent free

Your rent just went up; 11 posts from you and all off-topic.

You have made over 1/3 of all posts here in fact. Here's the opening post. Please try to stay on topic lest we need to do a 'GabeT' and involve the moderators



Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview...this interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.

 

[XiP]

The sole purpose of this thread is to troll other fanbases. Which I get but surely the day after RG22 a Nadal fan would want to focus on other things?

I think intrepidish asks relevant questions. You're just upset they're about your hero.

Also... you might be suffering from a bit of cognitive dissonance. You have almost like an obsession for Djokovic, yet you understand that he's self-sabotaging with his decision to be a worldwide anti-vaxx leader. This is the reason you feel so much anger.

 

[GabeT]

I think intrepidish asks relevant questions. You're just upset they're about your hero.

Also... you might be suffering from a bit of cognitive dissonance. You have almost like an obsession for Djokovic, yet you understand that he's self-sabotaging with his decision to be a worldwide anti-vaxx leader. This is the reason you feel so much anger.

He’s just trolling other fan bases. You may be new here (lol!) but that‘s generally discouraged and Dear old intrepidish has had many posts and threads deleted just for that.

 

[Cupcake]

The sole purpose of this thread is to troll other fanbases. Which I get but surely the day after RG22 a Nadal fan would want to focus on other things?

You're probably right. But have you looked around TTW the past couple days? Most of the new threads posted are intended to troll various fan bases. Is Fed gay, is Novak having an affair, Rafa's injury is fake.... Kind of silly.

I personally get a kick out of Goran. As a mouthpiece, he seems particularly unsuited for the job - if what is said is meant to be taken seriously.

 

[weakera]

Goran embarrasses himself and his client every time he opens his mouth

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Whether I enjoy Nadal winning RG (I do) has no bearing on the points raised in the opening post. However, perhaps Djokovic losing RG has some bearing on your unwillingness to take a look at the points raised in the opening post and that would be quite understandable.

In any case, since you and your friend seem intent on taking the thread off-topic, here are the points again:



Contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this. Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

He also follows up with more from that same bag: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

 

[GabeT]

You're probably right. But have you looked around TTW the past couple days? Most of the new threads posted are intended to troll various fan bases. Kind of silly.

I personally get a kick out of Goran. As a mouthpiece, he seems particularly unsuited for the job - if those jobs are meant to be taken seriously.

I am not against trolling threads. As you point out a good chunk of TTW is that. But the day after Nadal wins #22? Really? that’s when you decide to start insulting other players?

 

[intrepidish]

I am not against trolling threads. As you point out a good chunk of TTW is that. But the day after Nadal wins #22? Really? that’s when you decide to start insulting other players?

Speaking of real-estate: imagine how much rent you owe me that you have made 13 posts (all off-topic) in a supposedly 'troll' thread.

Now, back to the topic at hand:


Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview...this interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.

 

[Cupcake]

But the day after Nadal wins #22? Really? that’s when you decide to start insulting other players?

What's sacred about 24 hours? There were numerous trolling threads and comments before the FO final was even finished. And of course before that too. It goes with the TTW territory.

I don't mean this in a snarky way at all, but if this thread upsets you, don't read it. What is said here is of no real importance in the real world. Interacting here, like tennis itself, is entertainment. And/or cheap therapy. I have to keep reminding myself of that often.

 

[GabeT]

What's sacred about 24 hours? There were numerous trolling threads and comments before the FO final was even finished. And of course before that too. It goes with the TTW territory.

I don't mean this in a snarky way at all, but if this thread upsets you, don't read it. What is said here is of no real importance in the real world. Interacting here, like tennis itself, is entertainment. I have to keep reminding myself of that often.

It doesn’t upset me. I’m just pointing out it’s meant to troll other fanbases

 

[intrepidish]

What's sacred about 24 hours? There were numerous trolling threads and comments before the FO final was even finished. And of course before that too. It goes with the TTW territory.

I don't mean this in a snarky way at all, but if this thread upsets you, don't read it. What is said here is of no real importance in the real world. Interacting here, like tennis itself, is entertainment. And/or cheap therapy. I have to keep reminding myself of that often.

There have been threads trolling other players before, during and after every tournament.

Of course in this thread I'm merely asking questions about a coach/player relationship and providing quotes as well for context and precision.

The irony is that the poster who attempted to hijack the thread trolls on here regularly and has been trolling Nadal all tournament. He also whines whenever anyone does to one of his threads exactly what he has been doing in this one.

I'd appreciate it if you and others could help get this thread back on track and comment on the quotes from Goran and how to explain them.

Thanks!

 

[Cupcake]

It doesn’t upset me. I’m just pointing out it’s meant to troll other fanbases

I'm not saying I think it's true, but if it is, why shouldn't Intrepidish join other trolls and have some fun too? It really doesn't matter, does it? Each reader will decide for themselves anyway.

 

[Mustard]

Nobody should believe that Goran was hired for his intellectualism or incredible understanding of tennis.

That'd be hilarious.

(Bresnik once joked that Ivanisevic played "dumb tennis", mocking his brainless "strategies". This was in the mid-90s. Goran was tactically one of the very worst top 100 players. Total underachiever, tanker, clueless, headcase.)

You could never just pin down Goran Ivanisevic like that, I'm afraid. He was sometimes like that. Other times nothing like it. You don't defeat Thomas Muster on clay over best of 5 sets (when Muster was on a 112-5 run on clay) by being "brainless". With a clear head as a coach, I imagine him to be very intelligent actually. When he does lose his composure, or if he never had it on that day, he is terrible, and allows retreats to turn into routs pretty fast.

 

[PUSB]

Part of the job description is to share Djokovic's delusions. Vajda got tired of it.

Pretty much how I see it as well. Nadal has frustrated Djokovic ever since 2011. Djokovic thought he would dominate but Nadal kept beating him at Slams and winning slams and his whole body language over the years got more and more frustrated. My lasting memory of Djokovic will be when he went Into a rage smashing the Olympic symbol on the net last year. It sort of explained where he was and is mentally.
Vajda is an excellent coach but probably was not prepared to be a yes man. Ivanisevic is a waste of time. He has done nothing to improve Djokovics game. Even the serve is now declining especially the 2nd serve.

 

[Cupcake]

I'd appreciate it if you and others could help get this thread back on track and comment on the quotes from Goran and how to explain them.

No offense, but explain quotes from Goran?

I think what Goran says is mostly unrelated to what Novak says or does. He's just a useful tool.

 

[PUSB]

There have been threads trolling other players before, during and after every tournament.

Of course in this thread I'm merely asking questions about a coach/player relationship and providing quotes as well for context and precision.

The irony is that the poster who attempted to hijack the thread trolls on here regularly and has been trolling Nadal all tournament. He also whines whenever anyone does to one of his threads exactly what he has been doing in this one.

I'd appreciate it if you and others could help get this thread back on track and comment on the quotes from Goran and how to explain them.

Thanks!

Great post. I was going to reply to the poster you refer to making the point about those in glasshouse but you make the point well

 

[Mustard]

Goran is infamous for saying in 1992 that he'd "rather be on the battlefield killing Serbs than playing tennis".

Yet his girlfriend for most of the 1990s and beyond (Tatjana Dragovic), who was later his first wife from 2009-2013, was a Serb.

Same year, he said he rooted for Seles to lose her Wimby final "because she is a Serb". (She is in fact Hungarian but nevermind... why would Goran know that.)

Destiny is weird.

He had a go at Monica Seles for "running away to the US" and for not saying anything about the war. I think Seles was the smart one there, to be honest. She no longer lived in Novi Sad, and was obviously horrified at what was going on in her old childhood hometown and country. There was no "progressive" side in that war at all. She was well out of all that. Imagine Ivanisevic and Seles at the champions' dinner had they won their 1992 Wimbledon finals. LOL.

Seles is an ethnic Hungarian, but she herself was born in Serbia, then a part of the Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia.

 

[intrepidish]

No offense, but explain quotes from Goran?

I think what Goran says is mostly unrelated to what Novak says or does. He's just a useful tool.

Perhaps but this is beyond the 'normal' from Goran for a few reasons. His comments about preferring to play in the day are openly contradicting himself last time around AND Djokovic himself this time. It was Djokovic who made the comment about preferring to play at night just a few days back, not other people.

Goran is also admitting he doesn't even have access to his own player days after his most significant match this season and shortly before the next series of big tournaments.

That's not business as usual for Goran and more importantly, Novak.