intrepidish
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Ah, you 'just' made 14 off-topic posts here in spite of having been repeatedly reminded to stay on topic but you are not 'upset'.
LOL.
Goran & Djokovic: do they share the same delusions?
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Ah, you 'just' made 14 off-topic posts here in spite of having been repeatedly reminded to stay on topic but you are not 'upset'.
LOL.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
Speaking of Vajda, it was interesting that initially it was claimed that he was stepping down to be with his family and because he didn't want to travel etc. Then almost immediately we saw him appear again with Molcan as coach and then explain that it was in fact Djokovic who preferred Goran to him and that he had to piece it together because they hadn't spoken about it directly.
So Vajda was let go without even a direct conversation with Novak:
"he might think that it is not ideal to have so many people in his team. He wanted to reduce it and have only one coach”, said Vajda before adding:
“I don’t know for sure, because I never asked him, but I assume from my analysis of his tournament schedule, that he wanted to reduce his team, and he chose Goran Ivanisevic."
Tennis: Vajda returns to coaching
Marian Vajda is back on the Tour as coach to Slovakia’s Alex Molcon
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UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Even when he won big matches, he did it on pure talent.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I started a thread on the same subject last week
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
Which is it?
Roland Garros 2020 Ivanisevic heats up the final: “Nadal has no chance By Gabby Bark 10th October 2020 “I think Nadal has no chance in these conditions. Novak has gotten into his head and is the favorite...
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UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Because Goran himself is a kind of Serb.
Goran.
Ivanisevic.
Nomen est omen.
Don't ask me to elaborate any further, it is very complicated and not for this forum...
I was born in that ex-country too, I know all of this...
Seles handled herself really well in that awful mess, despite being younger than the hateful, brainwashed clown.
Then again, she is about 100 times more intelligent than he is.
The great irony: she isn't a Serb, but he is...
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
No surprise thereI started a thread on the same subject last week
Which is it?
Roland Garros 2020 Ivanisevic heats up the final: “Nadal has no chance By Gabby Bark 10th October 2020 “I think Nadal has no chance in these conditions. Novak has gotten into his head and is the favorite...
What is even more interesting to me is that aparently, after 4 days, the coach hasn't spoken to his player yet, according to his own statement in that interview, stating as a reason that novak was 'disappointed and tired'.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
This is a good sign, if true.
Coz it means Novak is increasingly incapable of being objective or facing problems head-on.
Good. If true.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't like double talk. Goran clearly said Novak liked the conditions in October 2020 and Djokovic also said the same. How can we believe anything they say?No surprise there
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
We can't.
They are liars, manipulators, con-artists.
But this is hardly anything new.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Perhaps both Vajda and Ivanisevic have told him to get the vaccine to end 90+% of his problems. I can imagine Djokovic then giving them a bit of a wide berth in response if his anti-vax principles are that high.
I suppose that if you are a good coach, you will assume that the player is not objective in good and bad results. Watching a match is a very different experience and viewpoint than playing one.
Being too disappointed and 'tired' to constructively deal with a loss is just a player throwing a tantrum and a coach should be able to convey the importance of reviewing what went wrong and well in order to better prepare.
He obviously doesn't have the mandate with Novak to do that. I suspect his previous coach Vadja had. I also suspect that Becker did too, or just didn't give a crap if Novak said 'not now' and just forced the issue.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
Lol, I’m sure this is a source of great worry to you
You have made 16 posts in this thread. This is a thread of interest both to you and other posters.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
A classic case of an Emperor with no clothes, he is becoming delusional, grandomaniacal, his Ego must be by now just enormous...
This is what happens to many non-educated peasants who make it big in the "big wide world", they can't handle the fame in a rational and grounded way but start feeling god-like. He is not a headcase yet, but he is getting there.
It is amazing to me that I used to believe he was intelligent.
Damn, what a bad assessment that was...
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Homoi sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto
edit: had to add the extra i to pass the spam filter
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I find that strange too. Knowing Novak, he probably blamed Goran so he packed his bags and left without saying anything to his team just like when he refused to go to his post match press conference when he lost to Cecchinato at RG in 2018.
Maybe Goran thinks he is going to get the sack that's why he can't sleep. They are behaving as if only Novak has the right to win everything. Novak was, after all, a squatter in Rafa's palace so he should have expected to be evicted. He was living rent free.
Cupcake
Hall of Fame
Trying to make sense of Goran is impossible. He might say something in the morning and then directly contradict himself in the afternoon. That means absolutely nothing. He is a front man, nothing more. I wouldn't trust him to keep track of the calendar or arrange the tickets or, for that matter, find a good restaurant. He is in Novak's camp as a total 'yes' man/sychophant just so Novak will look as if he has a coach, and to keep reporters away. He is a mouth from which words spring. Does anyone believe Novak listens to what he says about anything?
In an other interview with Goran on the booing during and before his match with Nadal, he said: ""Afterwards, cheer for Rafa, of course we knew that it was going to be like that. I do not know if Novak was bothered by that or not – he has learned how to deal with it and that cannot be an excuse, in my opinion." (emphasis added).
Why does he even have Goran on his team?
Why does he even have Goran on his team?
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
He was only right about the booing.
It is perfectly normal and sensible to dislike a pompous egomaniac such as Djokovic, but to boo him upon entering a stadium is too much (of a good thing).
It is perfectly normal and sensible to dislike a pompous egomaniac such as Djokovic, but to boo him upon entering a stadium is too much (of a good thing).
Cupcake
Hall of Fame
Given Becker's financial troubles, I think Novak was just tossing him a bone so Becker could remain visible to stay relevant for future employment.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
To think Goran was one of my favourite players back in the day. Not nearly on the scale that Rafa is, I hasten to add.
Cupcake
Hall of Fame
Maybe by keeping Goran around, Novak is trolling the entire tennis world, lol. Novak does have a sense of humor.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
I think he appointed Becker to help him out with his finances but even Djoker couldn't get him out of a £50m debt hole.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
I never liked him. Back in the 90s he just oozed negative energy, total Grumpmeister.
Plus a Wimbledon servebot.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Lucas Luthor style delusions of grandeur, son.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Corrected.
It is perfectly normal for him to have belief he can win, but he feels all these slams are his, by right.
He really does believe he is some sort of Sports Jesus, and I'm not kidding at all.
Srdjan treats Nadal and Federer as ENEMIES, as in "evil people who stand in the way of justice", a crazy attitude which rubs off on Djokovic too.
The irony of course is startling...
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic may be significantly flawed but he is still an infinitely bigger man than the sad ohpee.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Great post, you clearly expose Goran's insidiousness. He is a pathological liar.Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview:
Ivanisevic exclusive: I can’t sleep now, but Novak will be ready for Wimbledon
Goran Ivanisevic, Novak Djokovic’s coach, feels that the body language and energy were the deciding factors in his loss to Nadal in Paris – and also spoke about the crowd, the scheduling…
This interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.
Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."
Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."
Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."
However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."
This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."
As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.
As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.
Where Novak is 'just' very entitled, naive, young, searching and misinformed, Srdjan however is a complate nutjob, absolutely batsh*t crazy.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
As Srdjan says Djoko is Jesus, he believes that Nadal and Federer must be Pontius Pilate and Judas.
UnderratedSlam
G.O.A.T.
Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
With all due respect (because I like your posts) the ohpee is about Ivanisevic, not about Djokovic.
Ivanisevic claims, he hadn't talked to Nole at the time of the interview, so I think the best course of action is to focus on Goran.
We'll see what Nole got to say in the next days.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Give us a clue.
AnOctorokForDinner
Talk Tennis Guru
I meant OP to stand for the person, not the post. The person succs, particular contents don't even matter.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
The striking thing here is that not only is Goran contradicting his own very public and outrageous statements from 2020, but also his own and ESPECIALLY Djokovic's from just a week ago.
And it's just business as usual along with saying in passing that Nadal only does what Djokovic lets him do and then sending out what seems to be a plea to the press to have Djokovic check his WhatsApp and get back to him.
Yes it just is embarrassing on Djokovics part really that he evidently blames others for his mistakes. Well I say evidently in actual fact didn't he indeed tell a court of law someone else was to blame for his incorrectly filled in Immigration forms?Speaking of Vajda, it was interesting that initially it was claimed that he was stepping down to be with his family and because he didn't want to travel etc. Then almost immediately we saw him appear again with Molcan as coach and then explain that it was in fact Djokovic who preferred Goran to him and that he had to piece it together because they hadn't spoken about it directly.
So Vajda was let go without even a direct conversation with Novak:
"he might think that it is not ideal to have so many people in his team. He wanted to reduce it and have only one coach”, said Vajda before adding:
“I don’t know for sure, because I never asked him, but I assume from my analysis of his tournament schedule, that he wanted to reduce his team, and he chose Goran Ivanisevic."
Tennis: Vajda returns to coaching
Marian Vajda is back on the Tour as coach to Slovakia’s Alex Molcon
Vajda is a hard man and great coach and knows how to play hard but also have respect for opponents. He gets the mental aspect of the game. Always rated him. The way Djokovic (and his wife) behaved last year when he beat Nadal must have really irked Vajda as he knew as most people knew, that Nadal would be out for blood. The climbing Everest stuff was just so cringe and I'll bet Vajda said so which annoyed Djokovic and Ivanisevic. Vajda being sacked was not a spur of the moment this it must have been brewing for a while .
After Djokovic beat Diego he posted on twitter RG QF let's Go with some emojis of muscles etc. Again this was just needless as it implied he would win. Then Goran said he was ready for 10 sets which added to the tweet actually suggested they were petrified.
The point is they cannot keep their mouths shut. It is seemingly an utter lack of understanding of the competitive arena when the stakes are highest. Vajda no doubt did his best to explain all this but got sacked for not being a yes man.
Clayqueen posted a great thread about the utter contradiction in Ivanisevic position about night matches. Apparently now night matches are bad for Djokovic. Which begs the question why did djokovic ask for a night session.
The wheels have come off the train in a spectacular fashion. I can see a scenario where Ivanisevic gets Djokovic that riled up at Wimbledon Djokovic does something really idiotoc on court at Sw19.
Ivanisevic is the worst possible coach. He was crazy enough in his playing days and he has got worse with age.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't know if I believe that or not.
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
If it's not true, then it's very sad and still indicative of great unrest. If it IS true, well, then it's still very sad and quite odd that Goran is using the press as a makeshift WhatsApp to get a message to his employer.
skaj
Legend
That might be true actually. Goran mind is so limited that even Djokovic is probably a mental giant for him.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Goran is reaching out to Djokovic in public with an open declaration of his disappointment and anger that Djokovic didn't take the RG trophy home as they believed it was his to lose..
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Becker wasn't declared bankrupt until June 2017, over an unpaid loan on his estate in Majorca. Djokovic and Becker had parted ways in December 2016, after 3 years together. Djokovic won 6 majors during the time that Becker was his coach, doubling his major tally from 6 to 12, including spending 5 weeks as the reigning champion of all 4 majors at the same time (5 June 2016 - 10 July 2016).
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Topspin_80
Hall of Fame
Goran is not very intelligent, Mark twain said “It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it”
Goran is bent on showing his foolery.
He tries too hard to be a spin doctor, and he fails miserably.
Even though he had a few days to concoct some decent excuse, he came up with such pathetic lines.
I'm telling you, speech is silver, but silence is gold.
But no, he had to run his mouth.
sportsfan1
Legend
OP is right that the choice of ivanisevics words "nadal took ehat Djokovic gave him" cones across poorly, even Djokovic himself wouldn't say that.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Reigning Roland Garros champion Novak Djokovic is feeling confident and raring to go as he gears up to defend his title over the next fortnight.
“I feel I am always in contention to fight for any Grand Slam trophy. I believe in my own abilities to get far and to fight for one of the most prestigious trophies in the world of tennis,” Djokovic said in his pre-tournament press conference.
“As a defending champion of course more so, to believe I can do it again. Reliving the memories from last year is something that obviously gives me goosebumps and motivation to try to replicate that.”
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Djokovic couldn't live up to his arrogance and Goran feels he is taking the blame.
“I feel I am always in contention to fight for any Grand Slam trophy. I believe in my own abilities to get far and to fight for one of the most prestigious trophies in the world of tennis,” Djokovic said in his pre-tournament press conference.
“As a defending champion of course more so, to believe I can do it again. Reliving the memories from last year is something that obviously gives me goosebumps and motivation to try to replicate that.”
Novak Djokovic: 'I Believe In My Own Abilities' | ATP Tour | Tennis
Reigning Roland Garros champion Novak Djokovic is feeling confident and raring to go as he gears up to defend his title over the next fortnight.
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Djokovic couldn't live up to his arrogance and Goran feels he is taking the blame.
This is not the arrogance or believe that annoys me. This type of belief is mandatory in order to win matches like they do. It's the reason Ruud had no chance whatsoever, he had no 'real' believe he could win.
But it seems he now believes he needs no one (serious) to help him achieve these things and that's where it gets hairy. Without anyone sane objectively looking in and telling him the things he doesn't want to hear but should, he's a goner sooner rather than later.
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