Goran & Djokovic: do they share the same delusions?

[intrepidish]

Djokovic couldn't live up to his arrogance and Goran feels he is taking the blame.

It's certainly possible in a general sense but at the same time, Goran is also relying on people not recalling that it was Djokovic himself, right on French national TV who stated unambiguously that he preferred to play at night and that Nadal preferred to play during the day.

It doesn't get more clear and public than that and it was Goran's boss himself who said it.

 

[Topspin_80]

That might be true actually. Goran mind is so limited that even Djokovic is probably a mental giant for him.

And we know that Djokovic is not a mental giant, as he has proved it time and again.

It took him over 10 years to find out that making fun out of Nadal, was actually detrimental to him.

More than 10 years to realize that!!! Pathetic.

 

[intrepidish]

This is not the arrogance or believe that annoys me. This type of belief is mandatory in order to win matches like they do. It's the reason Ruud had no chance whatsoever, he had no 'real' believe he could win.

But it seems he now believes he needs no one (serious) to help him achieve these things and that's where it gets hairy. Without anyone sane objectively looking in and telling him the things he doesn't want to hear but should, he's a goner sooner rather than later.

It's the same reason why Djokovic hired a new PR firm and went on a PR offensive after the Australian fiasco but undid whatever progress he made almost immediately with his behavior regarding staying in the draw for Indian Wells long after it was clear he could not possibly gain entry to the US.

 

[GabeT]

This is not the arrogance or believe that annoys me. This type of belief is mandatory in order to win matches like they do. It's the reason Ruud had no chance whatsoever, he had no 'real' believe he could win.

But it seems he now believes he needs no one (serious) to help him achieve these things and that's where it gets hairy. Without anyone sane objectively looking in and telling him the things he doesn't want to hear but should, he's a goner sooner rather than later.

He needs to get vaxxed but other than that (a personal decision) what other “help” does he need?

 

[jeroenn]

He needs to get vaxxed but other than that (a personal decision) what other “help” does he need?

Obviously a good PR team who not only can control his ouput, but those of the people around him, like his dad too...., probably a manager to protect him from himself and a tennis coach who can keep him on track and objectively tell him where he's failing and where not and what he needs to do to keep or get ahead.

 

[GabeT]

Obviously a good PR team who not only can control his ouput, but those of the people around him, like his dad too...., probably a manager to protect him from himself and a tennis coach who can keep him on track and objectively tell him where he's failing and where not and what he needs to do to keep or get ahead.

As a fan I’d love for him to have taken different decisions at certain times but the reality is that in the history of tennis there are at most a handful of players who have accomplished as much as Novak has. He has one of the most successful careers in the sport and it’s not even over yet. I don’t think he cares about hiring a new PR nor that it would make any difference. He wants to win more slams, he should get vaxxed. But that’s not his decision today.

 

[Justin Side]

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

 

[darthrafa]

i have a gut feeling that djoker together with goran is under heavy pressure. if he cannot win wimby, goran will be fired. if he fails to play at or win ao, likely djoker will be very difficult to maintain his level of playing given the lack of match rhythm.

 

[GabeT]

Haven't seen those quotes before. What an absolute fool coming out with all that nonsense. It just sounds like he is so insecure.

Are you going to pollute every thread? Is that why you keep coming back?

 

[pj80]

Surely some of you have seen Goran's most recent interview:

Ivanisevic exclusive: I can’t sleep now, but Novak will be ready for Wimbledon

Goran Ivanisevic, Novak Djokovic’s coach, feels that the body language and energy were the deciding factors in his loss to Nadal in Paris – and also spoke about the crowd, the scheduling…

www.tennismajors.com

This interview is beyond belief for a prominent coach. First, contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this.

Secondly, Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

This is absolutely golden and barely worthy of a TTW poster and of course he follows up with more from that same bag with a classic coping phrase: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

As for the rest of the interview, it sounds like a cry for help from a fan club member and not a coach. Making these comments publicly while not even having spoken to your player reeks of desperation and isolation.

 

[clayqueen]

It's the second time Novak has sacked Vajda. In 2017 he cleared the deck, sacking his entire team including Marian Vajda, fitness coach Gebhard Phil Gritsch or physiotherapist Miljan Amanovic.

 

[jeroenn]

As a fan I’d love for him to have taken different decisions at certain times but the reality is that in the history of tennis there are at most a handful of players who have accomplished as much as Novak has. He has one of the most successful careers in the sport and it’s not even over yet. I don’t think he cares about hiring a new PR nor that it would make any difference. He wants to win more slams, he should get vaxxed. But that’s not his decision today.

He has indeed one of the most succesful carreers, but take a good look at Nadal and Federer. They didn't sit still in order to have success at the tail-ends of their careers. They are working their asses off and adjust their game in order to stay relevant. You can't do that on your own or only with a yes-man who doesn't even talk to his player after a 'tough' loss. Or with controversies and distractions. You need objective input from people around you who can take a dispassionate step back.

 

[Hitman]

Goran is quite the character, but Novak was ready for Wimbledon.

 

[NoleFam]

I forgot some of these Nadal fans exist because they went silent.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Destroyed the haters. Most of them ran away with tail between their legs. Cowards.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Whether I enjoy Nadal winning RG (I do) has no bearing on the points raised in the opening post. However, perhaps Djokovic losing RG has some bearing on your unwillingness to take a look at the points raised in the opening post and that would be quite understandable.

In any case, since you and your friend seem intent on taking the thread off-topic, here are the points again:



Contrary to what Goran seems to suggest, Novak himself asked for the night match given the advantage he felt it gave him and was explicit about this. Goran himself stated in 2020 that "I am counting on a Novak/Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chance in such conditions, on this kind of clay court and with Novak who has already entered his head."

Even after seeing Novak get bagelled and beaten down badly in 2020, Goran said "I have honestly meant what I said, my right is to say what I think."

Now all of a sudden, Goran says "People were saying that Novak was the favourite in the evening, but there was no foundation for that, I even think that the night match suited Rafa."

However, it wasn't just 'people' saying this, it was Novak himself and of course Goran himself had said an even stronger version of this. Goran continues: "Novak likes it when it is warmer, because he can get more free points with his serve and because his ball travels to the ball quicker. People need to look at that as well – what is good for Novak, and not to look at what is not good for Rafa."

He also follows up with more from that same bag: "Rafa used what Novak gave to him."

As if it were irrelevant what the cold and humidity does to Nadal's ball (after all, Nadal only uses what Novak gives to him) and Goran and Djokovic are both so ill-informed that they weren't in fact aware of this. Of course they were and it was precisely the reason why they pushed for that start time in the first place, regardless of the impact on Novak's own game.

Where are you? Do you see your guy erased now? Happy?

 

[The Blond Blur]

2 weekends in a row of bumping year old threads just to brag?