Gptca

sureshs

Bionic Poster
It is the Global Professional Tennis Coach Association and seems to be a meta-coaching and pro-coaching organization . I am reading an article in RSI magazine about it now.

Founded in 2011, with Rainer Schuettler and Toni Nadal on the board, among others.

It is "a group of world-class coaches to teach less experienced coaches."

3 levels of certification:

A: by achievement only, coaches of GS winners or runners-up, coaches who have reached a GS final, or former top 10 players
B and C: require coursework. B is for coaches of GS, ATP and Challenger players, C for coaches of junior and Futures players.

Larry Passos, coach of Guga, is also among the leadership.

The USPTR is already partnering with them.

My gut feeling is that this is a European/South American attempt to compete with the USPTA, which is also expanding on a global scale, though the GPTCA is definitely not looking like an organization for serving club coaches. But note that the Level C certification mentions "juniors" which does overlap with the high-performance juniors also coached by USPTA coaches. With the current dominance of non-American countries in tennis, this was bound to happen. The USPTR seems to have joined them, remains to be seen what the USPTA response will be.
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
You forgot to mention that Mouratoglou is on board as well.

No one cares? That's because its not a Wegner forehand, a comparison if Date can beat a 5.0 or how bad amateur one handed backhands are.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
You forgot to mention that Mouratoglou is on board as well.

No one cares? That's because its not a Wegner forehand, a comparison if Date can beat a 5.0 or how bad amateur one handed backhands are.

Yes M (Serena's current coach) is there. The article mentioned him.

Do you see it as a European move to diminish the USPTA, which is also trying to expand globally, or just a "coach of coaches" elite outfit?
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
USPTA already is global. My opinion only, the USPTA is... well its not difficult nor uncommon to get a USPTA certification. I think its a great organization but they have so many coaches certified. For example, instead of getting USPTA certified you go out and do the ITF coaching certification course. Now that would raise peoples attention, its something different and not as common and for an employer something that would get you noticed.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
USPTA already is global. My opinion only, the USPTA is... well its not difficult nor uncommon to get a USPTA certification. I think its a great organization but they have so many coaches certified. For example, instead of getting USPTA certified you go out and do the ITF coaching certification course. Now that would raise peoples attention, its something different and not as common and for an employer something that would get you noticed.

It will be more common since it certifies recreational coaches also. Only the GPTCA's Level C for juniors comes close, and that too I assume these are high-level juniors. No mention is made of club players. So, in theory, they are two different beasts.

I wonder how the "elite coaches coaching inferior coaches" claim will play out. When I read that the USPTR has entered into a contract with them, to me that is saying "Help our inferior mostly-American coaches with your superior European knowledge." Now, that is just my interpretation. Will the USPTA do the same?

I also have some problems with Toni Nadal being on the board because of the "GS coach" clause. What is he, a 3.5 player on a good day? Can such a guy ever claim to be on the same level as a coach who played in a GS final or was top 10 in the world (the other clauses for Level A certification) or is this just a Toni Nadal ego trip?
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
3 levels of certification:

A: by achievement only, coaches of GS winners or runners-up, coaches who have reached a GS final, or former top 10 players
B and C: require coursework. B is for coaches of GS, ATP and Challenger players, C for coaches of junior and Futures players.

So yea, Toni qualifies.
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
ah sorry, hmm no I mean if you've worked with grand slam winners....lets put it this way, thats one hell of an experience to have on your resume and not many can put a claim to that.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Ash, does a coach of a GS winner or finalist really need to be certified in your opinion?

I am not Ash, but I think your question is misleading.

Of course everyone will say no.

Till you point out that this is Toni Nadal we are talking about specifically, at most a 3.5 player. Nick Bolls will also fall into this category. Interestingly, Nick has not been admitted into the ITHOF despite several tries.
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
Of course everyone will say no.

Till you point out that this is Toni Nadal we are talking about specifically, at most a 3.5 player. Nick Bolls will also fall into this category. Interestingly, Nick has not been admitted into the ITHOF despite several tries.

Not sure what your point is here? Toni Nadal is an RPT National Master Professional (same as me :D) and was RPT Pro of the year in 2005 (I think it was). What does his ability to play have to do with it for one thing, and for another Toni Nadal was in the top 30 players in spain nationally - which I would imagine would rate him higher than 3.5 on the sureshs scale!
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Not sure what your point is here? Toni Nadal is an RPT National Master Professional (same as me :D) and was RPT Pro of the year in 2005 (I think it was). What does his ability to play have to do with it for one thing, and for another Toni Nadal was in the top 30 players in spain nationally - which I would imagine would rate him higher than 3.5 on the sureshs scale!

I am not able to find much info on that. If he was top 30 in Spain, then definitely he would be a great player, I agree.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
A-level, will see if they count wheelchair achievements that match their able bodied criteria - could be a fun one :D

Sue them if they don't. Drag them before the European Commission on Human Rights. File an ADA lawsuit against their US office.
 

President

Legend
I am not Ash, but I think your question is misleading.

Of course everyone will say no.

Till you point out that this is Toni Nadal we are talking about specifically, at most a 3.5 player. Nick Bolls will also fall into this category. Interestingly, Nick has not been admitted into the ITHOF despite several tries.

How do you know he's a 3.5 player? He hits with Rafa for god's sake.
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
*UPDATE*

Received an email this morning...have been offered direct membership as a GPTCA C-Level International Coach.

Cheers
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
^^^ I didn't really ask or apply for any particular level, but was interested to see what they might do/offer. C-level normally requires you do the training course, but they have offered me direct entry.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
That is great. Writing exams as a senior person is very humiliating. Man I have seen senior job candidates applying here get mad when asked basic technical questions. They consider it an insult and a non-recognition of their experience, and of course there are small questions that they fail to answer as they are not in the "prepare for interview" mode as when they were young. But senior management deliberately does this to see how they react. I sometimes refused to ask them entry-level questions, and was in turn scolded for being too easy on them.

Older you get, more of this problem you face in the light of hungry young people going after your job.
 
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