Grand slam race: Nadal does not care, Djokovic wants to chase Federer

[clayqueen]

What do you mean Fed should do ?

Don't understand your question.

 

[TMF]

Of course he cares but doesn't want to admit it. The ultimate achievement in tennis is to acquire the most slams, that's Djokodal most important goal. Who's more obsessed with the slam race is open to debate.

 

[The Blond Blur]

I'm more concerned about the fact that Rafa said he was injured in 15 slams. For some reason the thread i made about this was deleted.

Is there some kind Rafa expert that knows more about these specific slams?

He's talking about the number of slams he's had to miss/pull out of over the course of his entire carreer.

 

[tennisaddict]

Don't understand your question.

Fed will play until he thinks he cannot won anymore

What did you have in mind ?

 

[clayqueen]

Of course he cares but doesn't want to admit it. The ultimate achievement in tennis is to acquire the most slams, that's Djokodal most important goal. Who's more obsessed with the slam race is open to debate.

It's a lot harder to win a M1000 than a slam. This GOAT nonsense has been centered around Federer's achievements. Both Rafa and Djoker have achieved their own worthy records that Federer acn only dream of.

They should ask Federer if he would like to win 12 titles at one slam.

 

[clayqueen]

Fed will play until he thinks he cannot win anymore

What did you have in mind ?

That makes sense. Why would he continue to play if he's not winning?

 

[tennisaddict]

That makes sense. Why would he continue to play if he's not winning?

He loves the game and is passionate. He had a dry run for 5 years and that still didn’t stop him from competing despite the heart breaking losses

Not sure many players will have that given the highs they have seen in the past

 

[Tennis_Hands]

It's a lot harder to win a M1000 than a slam. This GOAT nonsense has been centered around Federer's achievements. Both Rafa and Djoker have achieved their own worthy records that Federer acn only dream of.

They should ask Federer if he would like to win 12 titles at one slam.

LOLZA

This just gets better and better.

 

[TMF]

It's a lot harder to win a M1000 than a slam. This GOAT nonsense has been centered around Federer's achievements. Both Rafa and Djoker have achieved their own worthy records that Federer acn only dream of.

They should ask Federer if he would like to win 12 titles at one slam.

There are ATP500s(e.g. Dubai) are harder to win than some ATP1000s.

GOAT is about evaluating the career achievement for ATG, not just Federer.

Yes, Djokodal have achieved their own worthy records, same for Laver, Gonzales, Borg, Sampras, etc.

 

[clayqueen]

GOAT is about evaluating the career achievement for ATG, not just Federer.

Is that what you think? I've heard many 'experts' say GOAT is only to do with number of slams won.

 

[TMF]

Is that what you think? I've heard many 'experts' say GOAT is only to do with number of slams won.

Slams won is the most important criteria, but not the only criteria in tennis achievements. See below.

* Number of Major Titles won
* Overall performance at Grand Slam Events
* Player Ranking
* Performance at ATP/WTA events
* Performance(Win/loss record) at Davis & Fed Cup events
* Records held or broken(i.e. Consecutive winning streaks)
* Intangibles(Overall contribution to tennis)

 

[clayqueen]

Slams won is the most important criteria, but not the only criteria in tennis achievements. See below.

* Number of Major Titles won
* Overall performance at Grand Slam Events
* Player Ranking
* Performance at ATP/WTA events
* Performance(Win/loss record) at Davis & Fed Cup events
* Records held or broken(i.e. Consecutive winning streaks)
* Intangibles(Overall contribution to tennis)

I just think they should stop all this GOAT business. It's unfair to bestow Federer with the all encompassing greatest of all time title which gives the impression that he surpasses every other player in history in all categories. That is far from the truth.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

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[Deon Sanders]

Ned is very aware that 14 more real slam titles at his age is very unrealistic considering he only has 6 now

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

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Slams won is the most important criteria, but not the only criteria in tennis achievements. See below.
* Number of Major Titles won
* Overall performance at Grand Slam Events
* Player Ranking
* Performance at ATP/WTA events
* Performance(Win/loss record) at Davis & Fed Cup events
* Records held or broken(i.e. Consecutive winning streaks)
* Intangibles(Overall contribution to tennis)

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[Tennisgods]

When media asked about Roger's 20 Grand Slam titles...

"You can't be frustrated all the time because the neighbor has a bigger house" - Nadal after winning French Open today.

Djokovic said that Federer’s record of 20 majors was “still far.” But he was also admitted that the thought of breaking it has crossed his mind from time to time. “I do want to focus myself on continuing to improve my game...so I would be able to compete at such a high level for the years to come and have a shot at eventually getting closer to Roger’s record.” - Djokovic after winning AO this year.

Personally I like Nadal's attitude! But there is no right or wrong in this.

Not bothered either way, but interested by Djokovic’s words. I really do not think he can improve his game. I mean, maybe certain aspects of it, but that would surely only cause other aspects to drop off. He’s reached his ceiling, surely!

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

It's unbelievable that some of these posters accept what any elite athlete says to the press as gospel truth. What they say to the press is frequently disingenuous, prevaricating or flat out lies. Of course Nadal cares deeply about the slam race, as do Fed and Djokovic. Anyone who doesn't see this is, frankly, clueless.

Exactly this. Never ceases to amaze that anyone actually believes this.

 

[Sorry_to_tell_you_mate]

I'm more concerned about the fact that Rafa said he was injured in 15 slams. For some reason the thread i made about this was deleted.

Is there some kind Rafa expert that knows more about these specific slams?

He said "I lost 15 slams for injures" but I'm quite certain that he meant "I missed 15 slams for injures"

Which is pretty much true if we take into consideration absences, mid-match retirements and also the matches in which he played injured (like RG2009 or AO 2014, just to cite a few examples that we know of).

 

[helterskelter]

Nadal doesn't care because he knows he'll pass it

He is already on 33+. What are you talking ?

I'm sorry, but you are both loathsome haters who need to get over your Bull Derangement Disorder.

1. Bull already passed Federer's Slam total long ago.
2. Bull has far more than a mere 33 moral Slams. At the very least, Bull is currently sitting on 57 moral Slams [every one starting with Roland Garros 2005]. But I think it's in fact arguable that it wrongs Bull not to give him the earlier Slams. For example, are you really going to argue that Bull would have lost to Noah at Roland Garros 1983? ROTFLMAO! Clear moral victory. In my view, Bull's first moral Slam title was Roland Garros 1877, as it's unfair that they didn't hold a tournament that year, because it biased the tour in favor of grass-court specialists. As he's won every moral Slam since, that puts his unbeaten run at 142 years and counting.

 

[DSH]

Who cares?

 

[Lebsta]

I actually think that Djokovic is more obsessed with Roger's record than Rafa is.

It's clear as day how desperate Novak is to be adored in the same way that Roger and Rafa are. At times it reaches annoyance since he probably feels entitled to that level of adoration considering the amount of titles he's won. He clearly gets irritated by being the third wheel. What he needs to realise is that adulation and legend goes beyond statistics and numbers. It's doing things that people will remember, having a persona and style that elevates tennis. It's having that style and charisma that crosses over and reaches out to fans outside the sport. Novak has way more slams that McEnroe and Agassi but who do tennis fans remember more fondly?

For the most part Roger exuded a level of class that complimented his playing style that left fans in awe. Rafa completely changed the image and perception of what a tennis player should be. He brought a physicality and athleticism that made sports fans appreciate more that tennis can be just as intense and powerful as NFL, Football, Boxing etc Novak hasn't transcended the game in the same way the Fedal rivalry has and he needs to realise this. It's been commented on this site multiple times that he is the Lendl of this generation.

I think Rafa must at least consider surpassing Roger since he's only 2 behind. He wouldn't be human if he didn't. However after all the injuries and time out of the game, I think he's more happy in the fact that at 33 he's still at the top of the game, way longer than what most expected. I think that's what he values the most. Beating Roger's tally would be an extra nice bonus, hopefully with a few more slams off clay.

 

[hipolymer]

He's talking about the number of slams he's had to miss/pull out of over the course of his entire carreer.

That's what I said didn't I? How is your post different from what I said

 

[clayqueen]

I actually think that Djokovic is more obsessed with Roger's record than Rafa is.

It's clear as day how desperate Novak is to be adored in the same way that Roger and Rafa are. At times it reaches annoyance since he probably feels entitled to that level of adoration considering the amount of titles he's won. He clearly gets irritated by being the third wheel. What he needs to realise is that adulation and legend goes beyond statistics and numbers. It's doing things that people will remember, having a persona and style that elevates tennis. It's having that style and charisma that crosses over and reaches out to fans outside the sport. Novak has way more slams that McEnroe and Agassi but who do tennis fans remember more fondly?

For the most part Roger exuded a level of class that complimented his playing style that left fans in awe. Rafa completely changed the image and perception of what a tennis player should be. He brought a physicality and athleticism that made sports fans appreciate more that tennis can be just as intense and powerful as NFL, Football, Boxing etc Novak hasn't transcended the game in the same way the Fedal rivalry has and he needs to realise this. It's been commented on this site multiple times that he is the Lendl of this generation.

I think Rafa must at least consider surpassing Roger since he's only 2 behind. He wouldn't be human if he didn't. However after all the injuries and time out of the game, I think he's more happy in the fact that at 33 he's still at the top of the game, way longer than what most expected. I think that's what he values the most. Beating Roger's tally would be an extra nice bon

Basically, Djokovic is like the boy who joins the school in Year 8 when friendships have already been formed. In this case, most tennis fans had already split into 2 camps, the Fedfans and the Rafans. No one is going to change sides just because Djokovic comes along and started doing the things that Fedal had always done and the more he encroached the more they don't like him.