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Grand Slam Titles by Age - ATG 3
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Sputnik Bulgorov
Professional
For what it's worth, I thought there was nothing anti-fed about this thread. You shouldn't have to defend yourself from these accusations of propping up Nadal or being anti Fed.
Backspin1780
Semi-Pro
Makes sense to stop at 30 not 31 as data not available for 3 players. That difficult to understand?
Backspin1780
Semi-Pro
High slam count at one major is never a bad thing. In nadals case it just means he is excellent at RG, GOAT worthy if you will but just good or very good at other slams but definitely not more than that and definitely not GOAT worthy or even ATG at those slams. 1 AO good, 2 wimbeldons good, 3 USO very good. Note its not djokovic or federer stopping nadal having GOAT nos at all other slams its the field too. E.g. not federers faukt rafa doesnt have 5 AO or 5 USO All its saying is that he hasnt played GOAT worthy at any tournament besides his pet slam.
Thats all. Its a good problem to have
and better than if he had 1 RG title which would only by goodWhy? Im male btw
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Rafa has an opportunity to add to this on Sunday, taking his slam tally to 17 at age 32. Fed did not win any slams at 32. Djoker, being 31 this year has two opportunities left at Wimby and USO.
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junior74
Bionic Poster
Plamen1234
Hall of Fame
You missed US Open.I think he can do very well there.Djokovic is very consistent at US Open - from 2010 to 2016 he reached the final on all occasions except 2014.So I think by the time US Open comes he could do well
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
From 2007 to 2016 he always made the semi.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Sorry, yes I mean USO, not AO
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Original post updated
Age 31:
Fed 17
Rafa 16
Djoker 13 (with the US Open 2018 to come)
At age 31, Fed won 1 slam, Rafa 2 and Djoker 1 (with a shot at the US Open this year to make it 2)
Congrats Djoker
Age 31:
Fed 17
Rafa 16
Djoker 13 (with the US Open 2018 to come)
At age 31, Fed won 1 slam, Rafa 2 and Djoker 1 (with a shot at the US Open this year to make it 2)
Congrats Djoker
Tennis_Hands
Banned
This age thing is really iffy, as far as any actual pattern or conclusions go.
It is just counting, as it doesn't take into account any actual longevity.
A player who had late career start, but more Majors by the same age compared to other player, will have achieved better results (all other things being equal).
It is just counting, as it doesn't take into account any actual longevity.
A player who had late career start, but more Majors by the same age compared to other player, will have achieved better results (all other things being equal).
Badabing888
Hall of Fame
Worth noting - slams won outside their favoured slam/where they have been most successful:
Federer - 12 slams outside of Wimbledon
Djokovic. - 7 outside of AO.
Nadal - 6 outside of RG.
Federer - 12 slams outside of Wimbledon
Djokovic. - 7 outside of AO.
Nadal - 6 outside of RG.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Original post updated following the US Open. Here are the numbers at age 31:
Fed: 17
Rafa: 16
Djoker: 14
At age 31, Fed won 1 slam, Rafa 2 and Djoker 2
Age 32 looks like this
Fed: 17 (2013)
Rafa: 17 (2018)
Djoker: 14 - plus any slams he wins in 2019
Fed: 17
Rafa: 16
Djoker: 14
At age 31, Fed won 1 slam, Rafa 2 and Djoker 2
Age 32 looks like this
Fed: 17 (2013)
Rafa: 17 (2018)
Djoker: 14 - plus any slams he wins in 2019
Tennisgods
Hall of Fame
Close. Especially if Djokovic picks up a couple at least next year as I think we all expect.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Good point - It shows how close the three great champions are.
AlexanderTheGreat08
Hall of Fame
Djokovic has actually only 5 majors outside HC’s , I’m sure Nadal will love another Clay major even if it’s like Madrid type of clay , I think you should praise Nadal more for having more RG’s than Djokovic has AO & USO combined
titoelcolombiano
Legend
AO is two weeks away. If Djoker scores a three-slam year, all ATG's will be on 17 slams at age 32.
Eren
Professional
Yes true. Hoping for it not to happen but Djoke will most likely win the AO.
Eren
Professional
Nadal has as much RGs as Federer has AO & USO combined. Given that Federer showed consistency second to none at AO and was dominant as hell at USO at one point in his career, it's mindboggling that Rafa has same amount of clay Slams as Fed has HC Slams.
And Rafa will most likely surpass Fed's combined tally in RG 2019
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
The bit in bold is incorrect. Federer won his first Wimbledon when he was still 21. He turned 22 a month later.
Eren
Professional
First sentence bruh
"What I mean by age in this thread is the year that they turned that age"
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Strange way of looking at it.
If you turn 21 on Dec 31st, then despite playing tennis all year as a 20 year old, it counts according to this as the year he turned 21?
Eren
Professional
Yes in that particular case it is.
But Federer was 21+11/12 years old which is closer to 22 than it is to 21. So I get OPs reasoning for the Big 3.
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Deleted member 77403
Guest
Fair enough, doesn't match mine, but I get it.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
titoelcolombiano
Legend
It is pretty exciting going into a season where the slam race is in reverse order of likelyhood of winning slams this year:
Djoker (the form player of the ATG3 and favourite for three of the four slams): 14
Rafa (favourite for at least one slam, will be highly competitive in the other three): 17
Fed (not favourite to win a slam but very dangerous still): 20
Djoker (the form player of the ATG3 and favourite for three of the four slams): 14
Rafa (favourite for at least one slam, will be highly competitive in the other three): 17
Fed (not favourite to win a slam but very dangerous still): 20
titoelcolombiano
Legend
lol - made two slam semis by luck. You could argue that with a little luck he would have made the AO semi, the USO semi and been the Wimby champion
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
What surprises me most is the size of the gaps over the years. At one point, Rafa had 4 more slams than either Djokovic or Federer at that point in their lives. Afterward, Federer took the lead, and now Rafa's caught up to Federer!
On top of that, even after being behind both of his rivals by 6 slams at the age of 27, Djokovic managed to lower that gap to 2 and 3, respectively, with a decent shot of making it even smaller by year's end!
My, this race is turning out to be exciting.
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
I know it's unrealistic, but I'm just imagining the tension if Nadal won RG and Novak won the other 3! 17, 18, 20! Or more realistically, Novak wins AO and WIM, Nadal wins RG and USO. 16, 19, 20. Maybe a dark horse in there takes one away for 16, 18, 20.
In any case, I'm rooting for the 1st possibility - 17, 18, 20 would lead to so much excitement in the 2020 season! Oh, this season is going to be so exciting, just to see where we end up!
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Yes I could easily see 17,18,20 or at the very least 16,18,20. It is great that we are still enjoying the ATG3 rivarly when all three are in there 30's. Make the most of it - we won't get spoilt like this forever
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Agreed! Djoker was charging back in 2015 - 2016. He's now picking up momentum again. The swings and round abouts of the race are incredible. If Djoker hadn't fallen off his perch in 2016 it could have easily been something like 17,16,15. But his dip allowed Fedal to put an extra three each on the scoreboard. If Rafa had held the break in the 5th set at AO 2017 and won it it would be 19,18 right now.
I'm loving 20,17,14 going into the new season though - it is balanced so delicately. Fed feeling the two charging up behind him and Djoker putting pressure on him at AO & Wimby which reduces his chances of increasing his lead. So much pressure on Rafa at RG to keep the slams ticking over and with Djoker back in form less opportunity at AO, Wimby & USO. And Djoker, the most inform player of the three but with all of the work to do. Great to see that the ATG3 rivarly is climaxing in a way that it deserved to.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
tennisfan2015
Hall of Fame
Just accept itSince Nadal has been playing Fed for the past 14 years, how can it possibly be "weak?" Never mind about Djoker, another ATG, who Fed had to play in 3 slam finals we when the age differential was 34/28 and 35/29.
If Roger's era was weak, then so was Nadal's.
tennisfan2015
Hall of Fame
What I think will happen is this; - Nadl will be the first to retire (by age). He matured very early and therefore he will be the first to go. Fedr and Novk matured later and have been playing on the higher level later into their careers. Fedr is already a proof of my theory. My prediction is that Nadl will retire before he turns 35. Novk will play into his late 30's just like Fedr except if his NEW AGE BS and Pepe influence him to become a new Sai Baba.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
no, nadal will play at least until rg 2021 when he turns 35 and he will still have a decent chance to win the French Open.
I believe that between 35 and 36 years old the Spanish will be retired, he just have to choose his calendar well.
and regarding the Serbian, I do not think he plays beyond the age of 36, especially if the record of grand slams will be unattainable.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Updated slam count in the year they turned 32
Age 32:
Fed 17 (2013)
Rafa 17 (2018)
Djoker 15 (3 slams to come in 2019)
Age 32:
Fed 17 (2013)
Rafa 17 (2018)
Djoker 15 (3 slams to come in 2019)
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Give me your predictions for the slam count at the end of this year by age (32) - I'm going to go:
Rafa 18
Fed 17
Djoker 17
Rafa 18
Fed 17
Djoker 17
Sputnik Bulgorov
Professional
Federer played in the strongest, most competitive era from 28-31. Djokovic and Nadal are being given slam finals for free these days.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Rafa started out young close to Chang and Becker age!
TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Yes I meant this year. I actually made a mistake with my post (post # 90) because Rafa was 32 last year which means that he and Fed are locked in on 17, only Djoker can advance his tally.
So my prediction is all three on 17 at the end of the year they turned 32 and for me that sums up the ATG 3
Sputnik Bulgorov
Professional
If Rafa wins a slam this year, it would put him ahead of Fed since Fed didn't win one the year he turned 33, which was 2014 I believe. It's inevitable that this will happen, IMO.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Dude, he made Wimbledom quarters 1st time in 7 years and USO he got burned by Thiem after previous year having arguably easiest draw all time and before that losing to Pouille.
He another puff draw at AO. You think ITF don't manipulate draws to garner higher attendance and viewership???
titoelcolombiano
Legend
I don't know if they manipulate draws so I can't comment. He made the semis at Wimbledon in 2018, not the quarters, he has never lost to Thiem at the US Open.
After clearing up the incorrect info in the post I'm not sure what it has to do with my comment as I was specifically discussing 2018. I was responding to someone saying that he made two slam semis by luck in 2018 (Wimby & USO). Try telling Delpo at Wimby that Rafa got by him by luck and try telling Khachanov and Thiem at the USO that he got by them by luck. My argument is that with a bit of luck he would have also made the AO semi-finals (was up 2 sets to 1 against Cilic and was struck down by injury) and the Wimby semi against Djokovic could have gone either way and the winner was always going to go on and take the title.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
slam h2h vs Big4 at age 28-31:
Djokovic 9-0
Federer 5-7
Djokovic dealt much better with the same players.
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