Grand Slams should alternate days between men's and women's

[lunaticmochi]

i.e. All of men's matches play Monday, the women play Tuesday, and so on and so forth.

This will put to rest all the complaints of unequal rest time in between rounds. It will also make it convenient to watch the matches. If I only care about the men's, then I will be able to schedule my day to watch it rather than to guess when the prior women's match will finish, vice versa.

Discuss.

 

[Backspin1183]

Nope. It's good as it is. Don't want a Grand Slam not have men's matches on any day of the tournament.

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[slice bh compliment]

Wayyyy too sensible. Can be seen as divisive.

This will either solve or obfuscate the whole equal prize money issue, because people will attend ... and vote with their wallets. The truth could be hard. For either side.

Now, in my family, it would necessitate attending more than one or two days, as we have some women's tennis fans, and some men's tennis fans in this house. And some who love both. Tough dynamic, as right now, we go, we watch together, we split up, we meet for lunch, we drift off in two groups, etc.

Not sure if i would see all the men's matches I want to see in one day. I like going two days in a row, seeing more, getting a good mix as desired.

What do you do with dubs? Same thing? Or Maybe put the opposite gender dubs on each day?

 

[Backspin1183]

If you had to choose between a best of 5 or best of 3 Grand Slam match, which would you pay to watch live?

 

[Jackuar]

Works for us fans, not for the business. TV ratings, ads, tickets sale will all swing back and forth.

 

[SinjinCooper]

Just ditch the women's. WTA has been terrible since the 80's.

 

[Ace of Aces]

The problem is someone who makes time to go see it in person is almost always going to be more interested in one than the other. This would make it where they only get to see half the tennis they would have otherwise over a few day period. i.e. someone who went for a weekend may only get to see one day of tennis

 

[ADuck]

If they did this, nobody would watch women's tennis anymore, which isn't bad for the fans, just for the WTA. However one flaw I see with this is that a lot of the good men's matches would be overlapping each other, so I think it's good the matches are spaced out.

 

[slice bh compliment]

If they did this, nobody would watch women's tennis anymore, which isn't bad for the fans, just for the WTA. However one flaw I see with this is that a lot of the good men's matches would be overlapping each other, so I think it's good the matches are spaced out.

I think some would go on the women's days. Bad for the wta, and, Fans would be disappointtt.
The overlap of good men's matches concerns me. When i go to a slam, it is generally two days in a row in the first week. Convenient. Also i can see bth halves of the men's draw.

 

[Tshooter]

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This will either solve or obfuscate the whole equal prize money issue, because people will attend ... and vote with their wallets. The truth could be hard. For either side...

Disagree.

You can’t measure WTA value at a combo event by essentially creating two events running on alternative days. There is enhanced value in the combination. As your family is indicative of and hardly uncommon many fans want to see a mix including doubles which has near zero TV ratings I suspect but is quite popular in person. Ditto mixed as far as filling side courts.

Closer to measuring WTA “value” would require holding a Major with just the men and the same Major with both. Then we can compare the TV ratings, attendance, revenue and other metrics. Of course, many other variables would still be in motion such as the dates and no one will perform the experiment anyway. Covefe !

 

[ADuck]

Diagree.

You can’t measure WTA value at a combo event by essentially creating two events running on alternative days. There is enhanced value in the combination. As your family is indicative of and hardly uncommon many fans want to see a mix including doubles which has near zero TV ratings I suspect but is quite popular in person. Ditto mixed as far as filling side courts.

Closer to measuring WTA “value” would require holding a Major with just the men and the same Major with both. Then we can compare the TV ratings, attendance, revenue and other metrics. Of course, many other variables would still be in motion such as the dates and no one will perform the experiment anyway. Covefe !

We don't need to experiment, we already know which side is more popular

 

[Tshooter]

We don't need to experiment, we already know which side is more popular

I don’t have the numbers but my gut is Men’s is in general more popular (with certain extreme exceptions such as Serena) which if true doesn’t have much to do with the value of the WTA at the combo events.

Would Indian Wells increase it’s value by dumping the WTA and saving the prize money ? I doubt it.

And I think the WTA value at a Major is significantly greater than at the combined Masters.

 

[tacou]

idk if I had tickets to RLA and all I got was this Dimitrov/Rublev disaster I'd be pretty bummed.

 

[iopzzza]

This will be hard to do, because all men play best of 5, there will be simply not enough time to play all 64 singles matches, you know lots of them get over 3 or 4 hours, 5 set thrillers... etc...

 

[slice bh compliment]

Covefe !

covfefe indeed!
I like the mix.
But ... another conversation...
Measuring is an unperformbable experiment, and yet, also a pretty cool idea. Dead end, like comparing Laver to Tilden, and Gonzales to Sampras. Fun, but not practical.

 

[MarcusInKensington]

Tennis has lots of issues. Having a mix of men’s and wimmins matches every day during a slam isn’t one of them.

 

[slice bh compliment]

Tennis has lots of issues. Having a mix of men’s and wimmins matches every day during a slam isn’t one of them.

Yeah, agreed. It is a good mix.
I even like the shorter women's matches.
I could live with shorter men's matches until the quarters.

Edit: wanted to clarify, i had originally misread your poast. Sorry. Thanks.

 

[metsman]

Well certain, inequities, would be exposed in this case

 

[metsman]

Disagree.

You can’t measure WTA value at a combo event by essentially creating two events running on alternative days. There is enhanced value in the combination. As your family is indicative of and hardly uncommon many fans want to see a mix including doubles which has near zero TV ratings I suspect but is quite popular in person. Ditto mixed as far as filling side courts.

Closer to measuring WTA “value” would require holding a Major with just the men and the same Major with both. Then we can compare the TV ratings, attendance, revenue and other metrics. Of course, many other variables would still be in motion such as the dates and no one will perform the experiment anyway. Covefe !

sure ATP+WTA leads to more value than just ATP but the point is that the ATP contributes more to that value. Which major would do better, the just ATP one or the just WTA one?

 

[MarcusInKensington]

Yeah, agreed. It is a good mix.
I even like the shorter women's matches.
I could live with shorter men's matches until the quarters.

Nice edit.

Having men and women on separate days would make the equal prize money argument rear its ugly head again. When tv audiences are halved, and the stands are 1/4 full every other day, there would be lots of (incorrect) people arguing that women are not worthy of equality.

Of course, given Djokovic’s recent comments, it may be a way to increase men’s prizemoney, so he’d likely be in favour.

 

[canta_Brian]

Might be best to have a look at ticket sales and revenue in a couple of years time. Once the ATP is in a post Federer era we might see the gap in popularity of the two tours much reduced.

 

[Moose Malloy]

sure ATP+WTA leads to more value than just ATP but the point is that the ATP contributes more to that value. Which major would do better, the just ATP one or the just WTA one?

The men's and women's Australian Opens were held at different times in the early 80s. I wonder if fans were more interested in Kriek vs Denton finals or Chris vs Martina finals?

Really this is silly. Australia is a tennis mad country(at least in January) people pack the courts during stuff like the Hopman cup and all the warmups. And the juniors. And wheelchair tennis. A woman only
Major would still be huge. They aren't the WNBA.
And If Barty makes the final, no men's final other than Fed Nadal could dream of higher ratings(not gonna bother with a what if scenario with kyrgios, that is just too far fetched)

 

[metsman]

The men's and women's Australian Opens were held at different times in the early 80s. I wonder if fans were more interested in Kriek vs Denton finals or Chris vs Martina finals?

Really this is silly. Australia is a tennis mad country(at least in January) people pack the courts during stuff like the Hopman cup and all the warmups. And the juniors. And wheelchair tennis. A woman only
Major would still be huge. They aren't the WNBA.
And If Barty makes the final, no men's final other than Fed Nadal could dream of higher ratings(not gonna bother with a what if scenario with kyrgios, that is just too far fetched)

the WTA is a joke now compared to what it used to be with Chris/Martina or the early 00's. Fedal is still keeping the ATP alive. Doubt WTA has anywhere near the same popularity world wide. Most of the money is made through sponsors+tv ads and there's no way that the women's tournament generates as much world wide. Which is why pretty much every tournament that isn't combined has the women making less money (in terms of ATP 500 vs whatever the WTA equivalent is)

 

[hugobosstachini]

... the ATP contributes more to that value.

This is generic considering ATP isn't composed of one single body. The correct term is some dudes in ATP tennis contribute more than others to their tour hence allowing the tour to be valued to a certain level.

I generally consider myself to be in the general public as far as ATP goes and do not watch any matches outside of the Big 4, well pretty much like my sisters and a good majority of my family. If they they don't play, I simply don't watch men's tennis. So, I always find it funny when useless players like Simon or Tipsarevič claim that they are for something on this tour lol. No right minded person would ever pay a ticket to watch these kinds of league E players if it wasn't bundled (this even though I'm French in the case of Simon).

 

[metsman]

This is generic considering ATP isn't composed of one single body. The correct term is some dudes in ATP tennis contribute more than others to their tour hence allowing the tour to be valued to a certain level.

I generally consider myself to be in the general public as far as ATP goes and do not watch any matches outside of the Big 4, well pretty much like my sisters and a good majority of my family. If they they don't play, I simply don't watch men's tennis. So, I always find it funny when useless players like Simon or Tipsarevič claim that they are for something on this tour lol. No right minded person would ever pay a ticket to watch these kinds of league E players if it wasn't bundled (this even though I'm French in the case of Simon).

Personally I'd watch any ATP match over just about any WTA match due to the current makeup of the WTA tour. But that's just me. The quality of tennis is just so much higher.
Anyways, the ATP is one "corporation" and the WTA is one, so who in those corporations does most of the heavy lifting is irrelevant because for the corporation to function optimally, everyone has to be paid, mostly to sustain the influx of new talent which is severely lacking right now.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

OP: Ridiculous suggestion, and the general ratings from the sport's biggest audience (the TV audience) would not support such a nonsensical, sexist idea.

Just ditch the women's. WTA has been terrible since the 80's.

...or drop the men, which has been utterly dominated by 3 people for nearly two generations while the rest drown in their own ocean of inferiority.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Would basically be empty seats on the women's day. I'm all for it. So boring to having to wait for the women's break festival matches to finish just to watch a men's match.

 

[Rafa24]

Nope. It's good as it is. Don't want a Grand Slam not have men's matches on any day of the tournament.

//thread.

agree. way too many good matches wouldn't be shown on tv too.

 

[Gazelle]

Good idea. So viewers get a day rest every other day and don't have to abandon life for a full 2 weeks every grand slam.

 

[SQA333]

i.e. All of men's matches play Monday, the women play Tuesday, and so on and so forth.

This will put to rest all the complaints of unequal rest time in between rounds. It will also make it convenient to watch the matches. If I only care about the men's, then I will be able to schedule my day to watch it rather than to guess when the prior women's match will finish, vice versa.

Discuss.

The 2nd week of Wimbledon (after Monday's R16 matches) is played out exactly like this. As a fan, I'd call it mild torture, especially when WTA draws tend to self-destruct after the first 2 days or so.

 

[Krish872007]

This could cause some serious problems and ruin the Slam experience. It's a no from me.