Gravity vs Clash
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BallBasher247
Semi-Pro
Gravity, because it's nothing but a players frame with a forgiving 100 headsize; way more control, feel and stability/plow. And even though head QC with the Gravity hasn't been good at least it's better than Wilson. And then the Velvet paint 
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Not comparable? What big differences do you see?
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Clash is a soft Pure Drive. Gravity is a firm Phantom.
BallBasher247
Semi-Pro
Other than low RA, the Clash and Gravity are completely different. The Clash is a power racket with a thick, meaty beam and a super-open string pattern. The Gravity is a player's frame with a thin beam and tight string pattern. It's not really "innovative"; Prince was doing forgiving players' frames.
Completely pointless poll, when the racquets in each respective range are so different.
Clash 98 310g for example. How can you even compare that to say a Gravity MP 295g? They're completely different racquets, so how can you prefer an entire "range" over another? Clash 108 v Gravity Pro 315 18x20. Dumb binary poll, dumb comparison.
Clash 98 310g for example. How can you even compare that to say a Gravity MP 295g? They're completely different racquets, so how can you prefer an entire "range" over another? Clash 108 v Gravity Pro 315 18x20. Dumb binary poll, dumb comparison.
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EpitomeOfAwesome
Semi-Pro
I believe the comparison implies matching similar racquets within each line
Clash 100 vs Gravity MP
Clash 100 Tour vs Gravity Tour
Clash 98 vs Gravity Pro
Clash 98 vs Gravity Tour
Clash 108 vs Gravity S
etc
I don't think this is a dumb comparison at all. For relative newbies / non-racketoholics this thread could be quite useful.
dkshifty
Rookie
Play tested the Gravity before. Someone mentioned comparison to the Phantom, and i agree with that statement. I realized that when i changed from Eastern to Semi-Western. Ive owned 4 Clash 98s in my time and loved them....until i didn't. The Clash is so arm friendly, (I only use soft poly), you almost don't even feel the ball come off the strings. Stiffness rating is super low and it has crazy amounts of flex. In my opinion, you want to "feel" something when you hit the ball. I've moved on from Clash 98 to the RF 97A.
2nd Serve Ace
Hall of Fame
If you rally for fun, go with the Clash.
If you try to win points, the Gravity is the way to go.
If you try to win points, the Gravity is the way to go.
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
The Gravity is that low powered?
i imagine it would depend on the model. the MP wasn't low powered or unstable at all given the weight. it was more stable and powerful than the phantom 100p in my experience. the pro is definitely not underpowered.
dkshifty
Rookie
I wouldn’t say the Gravity is super low powered. I did feel like I had to swing out a bit more. Whereas compared to the Clash, the Clash was very powerful. I had to adjust a bit by swinging more vertical just to keep the ball in play. Both were strung with full bed poly.
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
Thanks. I can't imagine the Gravity being more low powered than the Phantom.
Billy Baseline
New User
This thread is just what I need - thanks. I currently use Gravity Tour. Got a Gravity Pro and love the feel, but it's just too heavy for longer games. I also have Pure Aero Team - the lightest racket I've ever owned. I bought that about 2 years ago, before I bought the Gravity rackets. However, it wrecked my arm so had to stop using it. The other day I hit with it for a few mins after all this time and enjoyed playing with it for the effortless power. So I was thinking of buying another lighter racket - Gravity MP or Clash 100 - with low RA rating (high RA is why I had to ditch the Pure Aero in the first place). Since the last post on this thread seems to be Sept 2020, just wondering - anybody got any further experience on these rackets? Or anyone been in a similar situation to me? Would love any input. Thanks in advance.
nvr2old
Hall of Fame
I demoed the gravity pro. Had an original Phantom 100p. Gravity was much lowered powered IMO. Have a clash that I’ve added 1.5 oz. have also had a pure drive. Pure drive had a lot of power but felt “hollow” to me and didn’t like that. Clash is much different. Originally didn’t like the feel but with mods really do like it now. Has as much power as pure drive as well. It doesn’t compare to a thin beamed stick for feel but IMO no thick beamed racquet will. Apples and oranges. Felt gravity gave away too much power fur my game. Like the vcp97 better fur a thin beamed players type racquet.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
I like the quality and colours of the Gravity but wish they could slightly take the weight out from the tip. At present my preferred option would be a MP with my own customisation added.
The Clash is a great frame for many recreational players but would like to see an attempt to make a heavier version with this technology. The original grey, black and red cosmetics looked a bit cheap and it chipped paint too easily.
A win for Clash for the everyday recreational and local club player and a win for gravity for tournament player that wants a more user friendly option than a Prestige MP or Pro.
The Clash is a great frame for many recreational players but would like to see an attempt to make a heavier version with this technology. The original grey, black and red cosmetics looked a bit cheap and it chipped paint too easily.
A win for Clash for the everyday recreational and local club player and a win for gravity for tournament player that wants a more user friendly option than a Prestige MP or Pro.
Billy Baseline
New User
Thanks, appreciate your reply. Yeah, agree that Gravity has a nice traditional feel.
Billy Baseline
New User
Thanks for your reply. Yeah, with Gravity for me it's a real effort to try to generate all the power all the time. When I hit about for 5 mins with the Pure Aero, while it's not got the same comfortable feel, the free power is there and my balls seem to land deeper (if you'll pardon the expression).
Billy Baseline
New User
Appreciate the reply. Hope to try the Clash one day.
jalapeno74
Rookie
My experiences with these two line were:
- Gravity Pro (great frame, a lot of touch, precise shots, great serves, can be a bit heavy in long matches)
- Gravity Tour (comparable to the Pro but also different, less stable, easier power, more „tweener“ genes)
- Gravity MP (fun raquet but not heavy & stable enough for tournaments)
- Clash Pro/Tour (overpowered frame, overhitting comes with it for free, fun play but not for competition)
- Clash 98 (more precise than the Pro/Tour, a tad more control but still more erratic than the Gravitys)
You can tell, I prefer the Gravitys… at least for my kind of play they are suited way better. The Gravity Pro is always in my bag for games, along with the VCore Pro 97HD. I really enjoy those two frames
- Gravity Pro (great frame, a lot of touch, precise shots, great serves, can be a bit heavy in long matches)
- Gravity Tour (comparable to the Pro but also different, less stable, easier power, more „tweener“ genes)
- Gravity MP (fun raquet but not heavy & stable enough for tournaments)
- Clash Pro/Tour (overpowered frame, overhitting comes with it for free, fun play but not for competition)
- Clash 98 (more precise than the Pro/Tour, a tad more control but still more erratic than the Gravitys)
You can tell, I prefer the Gravitys… at least for my kind of play they are suited way better. The Gravity Pro is always in my bag for games, along with the VCore Pro 97HD. I really enjoy those two frames
Billy Baseline
New User
Thanks, great input. The way you describe your experience with the Gravity Pro and Gravity Tour, I feel the same. In fact I've used the G Pro for my service games and G Tour when receiving. Since our experiences match there, I appreciate your comments on the other rackets. Re the Clash, I certainly don't want erratic and have just watched a review where someone else said the same. Re the Gravity MP, I'll likely need more stability, it's perhaps too light. Funny you mentioned the Vcore Pro 97 HD. I've been looking into that, but think I'll get tired with the weight as I do with G Pro so would be back at square one. Had considered Vcore Pro97 310, but have seen comments that it requires the user to generate all of the power...so still undecided about it all. Heard the Vcore Pros are great for one handed backhand so while I'm unsure how true that is, I'm still keen to try it.
WYK
Hall of Fame
The Clash has a tighter string pattern than my Yonex RQIS have. It has a good amount of control.
But basically, yes, it is a soft tweener and the Gravity is a soft players.
97 HD is not as tiresome then the Go Pro, it’s more headlight. Really makes a large difference.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
everyone finds the Clash and the clash tour very head light. If you want even lighter try a thin string which is usually a bit lighter. Recently there are more colour options like the reverse, the new clash pro or the minions which i find very funny however only in 280gr frame. and there is a Paris version to.
I play with a gravity tour and with 1.20 gauge strings my SW is around 321.
Crocodile
G.O.A.T.
It is very headlight, which means it should appeal to many young players, and recreational adults. I would like to see them try the technology in a 325g frame and see how it goes with more advanced traditional players.
I think it gets quite a bit of love from those that use it. But it's just out of range weight wise for a sizeable number of rec players. I would also guess that a lot of players prefer more head-light racquets than the gravity line...which is pretty well balanced by comparison. Doesn't bother me, but the head-light slightly stiffer frames (thanks Babolat) are still kind of driving the market. Though I think we're seeing some gradual shifts...
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
anarosevoli
Semi-Pro
Gravity is a serious racquet, especially Tour and Pro. Clash, just like Blade V7 to me feels like it would suddenly do something different while hitting the ball, best described as if there was a very slightly loose connection between handle and throat, the bend is sudden and unnatural (it's definitely not the softness because I love the feel of Phantoms or Blade 2015, it's probably what they call FeelFlex technology).
WYK
Hall of Fame
Similar and the same are two different things.
The RQIS is buttery smooth even with most modern poly strings in it(I run Confidential crossed with Tour Fire at 25kg in both frames - though I am testing some different combos in my spare RQIS'). I swing it as much for the control as for the pleasure of using it.
The Clash has a much more modern feel. It is flexy with touch shots, but it feels much more stiff when swinging out than the RQIS does - almost like the harder you hit the ball, the stiffer the frame becomes.
The Clash definitely has more spin, even if it does have the same launch angle. I can get second serves with new balls well up the fence. I mostly suspect RHS here.
The end result is similar. Though the RQIS is definitely lower powered, with Confidential at 25kg, the Clash is relatively tame as tweeners go unless you hit flat.
If you hit flat, there are much better options than the Clash.
They both are massively head light and easy to swing. I've removed the outside of the bumper guard from my Yonex so it swings very fast(it was coming apart - good luck finding a new one). So, they are now at about 340g and 10pts head light strung. They were closer to 348g and 8pts before. They swing pretty fast and are very forgiving sticks, and surprisingly stable.
The Clash is weighted up to 325 with a combination of blue tack(because the grip has more vibration than I care for), and double gripped because they are L2 and I swing an L4. So they are insanely head light as well.
I originally got the L2 for my wife and one for a friend. They both hated the frame. So I took them in with a bit of pity, then came the arm injury last year and I came to love it. I think the double grip also helps to keep the handle vibration down as well. Oddly, one of my Clash's is notably more flexible and HL than the other, though they were within a few grams of each other.
As for criticisms, I have some interesting experiences with it.
It isn't the best at slicing. In fact, it is the main reason I swing my RQIS when I can, it slices like a dream even at 10pts HL.
The 7t/7h string on my Clashes are always slightly tighter than the rest if I string it like I normally string other racquets. It is something to do with this racquet and how I strung it. I have a crank, so I now pull the 7t faster(for less over-all tension) and seem to get a more consistent tension along the stringbed this way. I can't help but wonder if this might cause some of the inconsistent responses some folks have mentioned, or if it's just me. No way to tell. I think it is more consistent for me this way, especially on slicing, but I haven't done anything scientific, of course.
Framing off the tip of the Clash brings vibrations that I do not like, I added just enough lead to make it less bothersome. I hit nearer the top of my racquets, so this is a common mistake I make.
At the end of the day, my elbow is a bit more sore with the Clash than the RQIS. I found this odd since the RQIS is rated higher RA(though these are old). Or maybe I just swing faster with or or use a more loopy swing. But I do have a NOS XL lite(63RA), and it is a similar result. The XL feels much more stiff than my Tours do, too. I have it weighted to 325 mostly due to a double grip. My RQIS Tours have a single grip and two over grips. Lemme rummage up a pic:
The RQIS look much smaller in the pic, but it's only a 5% difference in hoop size. Yonex have wide hoops, so I frame about as often with either brand.
I must admit the Clash has a much more responsive stringbed/sweet spot, tho. It is a great doubles stick.
One thing you will note if you look closely is that the RQIS have a more open string pattern in the centre than the Clashes do.
The RQIS is buttery smooth even with most modern poly strings in it(I run Confidential crossed with Tour Fire at 25kg in both frames - though I am testing some different combos in my spare RQIS'). I swing it as much for the control as for the pleasure of using it.
The Clash has a much more modern feel. It is flexy with touch shots, but it feels much more stiff when swinging out than the RQIS does - almost like the harder you hit the ball, the stiffer the frame becomes.
The Clash definitely has more spin, even if it does have the same launch angle. I can get second serves with new balls well up the fence. I mostly suspect RHS here.
The end result is similar. Though the RQIS is definitely lower powered, with Confidential at 25kg, the Clash is relatively tame as tweeners go unless you hit flat.
If you hit flat, there are much better options than the Clash.
They both are massively head light and easy to swing. I've removed the outside of the bumper guard from my Yonex so it swings very fast(it was coming apart - good luck finding a new one). So, they are now at about 340g and 10pts head light strung. They were closer to 348g and 8pts before. They swing pretty fast and are very forgiving sticks, and surprisingly stable.
The Clash is weighted up to 325 with a combination of blue tack(because the grip has more vibration than I care for), and double gripped because they are L2 and I swing an L4. So they are insanely head light as well.
I originally got the L2 for my wife and one for a friend. They both hated the frame. So I took them in with a bit of pity, then came the arm injury last year and I came to love it. I think the double grip also helps to keep the handle vibration down as well. Oddly, one of my Clash's is notably more flexible and HL than the other, though they were within a few grams of each other.
As for criticisms, I have some interesting experiences with it.
It isn't the best at slicing. In fact, it is the main reason I swing my RQIS when I can, it slices like a dream even at 10pts HL.
The 7t/7h string on my Clashes are always slightly tighter than the rest if I string it like I normally string other racquets. It is something to do with this racquet and how I strung it. I have a crank, so I now pull the 7t faster(for less over-all tension) and seem to get a more consistent tension along the stringbed this way. I can't help but wonder if this might cause some of the inconsistent responses some folks have mentioned, or if it's just me. No way to tell. I think it is more consistent for me this way, especially on slicing, but I haven't done anything scientific, of course.
Framing off the tip of the Clash brings vibrations that I do not like, I added just enough lead to make it less bothersome. I hit nearer the top of my racquets, so this is a common mistake I make.
At the end of the day, my elbow is a bit more sore with the Clash than the RQIS. I found this odd since the RQIS is rated higher RA(though these are old). Or maybe I just swing faster with or or use a more loopy swing. But I do have a NOS XL lite(63RA), and it is a similar result. The XL feels much more stiff than my Tours do, too. I have it weighted to 325 mostly due to a double grip. My RQIS Tours have a single grip and two over grips. Lemme rummage up a pic:
The RQIS look much smaller in the pic, but it's only a 5% difference in hoop size. Yonex have wide hoops, so I frame about as often with either brand.
I must admit the Clash has a much more responsive stringbed/sweet spot, tho. It is a great doubles stick.
One thing you will note if you look closely is that the RQIS have a more open string pattern in the centre than the Clashes do.
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ron schaap
Hall of Fame
I also have experiences with soft racquets, like Fischers, volkls and even Pros pro art of war. I aplauds Clash modern feelings. It isnt just soft noodly but more a solid feeling and you have to finish your strokes because the balls seem to stay a little longer on the strings. I think hitting near the top of a soft racquet is never a good idea because the top of soft racquets is unresponsive compared with stiffer racquets that have a sweetspot higher on the stringbed. I do string myself therefor i notices that the stringpattern of the clash is rather open even compared to some 16x18 racquets. I have no experience with your RQ1 tour but i have with the RQ2 tour which has medium flex.Similar and the same are two different things.
The RQIS is buttery smooth even with most modern poly strings in it(I run Confidential crossed with Tour Fire at 25kg in both frames - though I am testing some different combos in my spare RQIS'). I swing it as much for the control as for the pleasure of using it.
The Clash has a much more modern feel. It is flexy with touch shots, but it feels much more stiff when swinging out than the RQIS does - almost like the harder you hit the ball, the stiffer the frame becomes.
The Clash definitely has more spin, even if it does have the same launch angle. I can get second serves with new balls well up the fence. I mostly suspect RHS here.
The end result is similar. Though the RQIS is definitely lower powered, with Confidential at 25kg, the Clash is relatively tame as tweeners go unless you hit flat.
If you hit flat, there are much better options than the Clash.
They both are massively head light and easy to swing. I've removed the outside of the bumper guard from my Yonex so it swings very fast(it was coming apart - good luck finding a new one). So, they are now at about 340g and 10pts head light strung. They were closer to 348g and 8pts before. They swing pretty fast and are very forgiving sticks, and surprisingly stable.
The Clash is weighted up to 325 with a combination of blue tack(because the grip has more vibration than I care for), and double gripped because they are L2 and I swing an L4. So they are insanely head light as well.
I originally got the L2 for my wife and one for a friend. They both hated the frame. So I took them in with a bit of pity, then came the arm injury last year and I came to love it. I think the double grip also helps to keep the handle vibration down as well. Oddly, one of my Clash's is notably more flexible and HL than the other, though they were within a few grams of each other.
As for criticisms, I have some interesting experiences with it.
It isn't the best at slicing. In fact, it is the main reason I swing my RQIS when I can, it slices like a dream even at 10pts HL.
The 7t/7h string on my Clashes are always slightly tighter than the rest if I string it like I normally string other racquets. It is something to do with this racquet and how I strung it. I have a crank, so I now pull the 7t faster(for less over-all tension) and seem to get a more consistent tension along the stringbed this way. I can't help but wonder if this might cause some of the inconsistent responses some folks have mentioned, or if it's just me. No way to tell. I think it is more consistent for me this way, especially on slicing, but I haven't done anything scientific, of course.
Framing off the tip of the Clash brings vibrations that I do not like, I added just enough lead to make it less bothersome. I hit nearer the top of my racquets, so this is a common mistake I make.
At the end of the day, my elbow is a bit more sore with the Clash than the RQIS. I found this odd since the RQIS is rated higher RA(though these are old). Or maybe I just swing faster with or or use a more loopy swing. But I do have a NOS XL lite(63RA), and it is a similar result. The XL feels much more stiff than my Tours do, too. I have it weighted to 325 mostly due to a double grip. My RQIS Tours have a single grip and two over grips. Lemme rummage up a pic:
The RQIS look much smaller in the pic, but it's only a 5% difference in hoop size. Yonex have wide hoops, so I frame about as often with either brand.
I must admit the Clash has a much more responsive stringbed/sweet spot, tho. It is a great doubles stick.
One thing you will note if you look closely is that the RQIS have a more open string pattern in the centre than the Clashes do.
I notice the Reverse paintjob clash. Does it plays the same as normaol paintjob and did you tweak it?
WYK
Hall of Fame
The reverse is the one that is more even balanced and stiffer. I dunno what's goin on. Maybe it just needs break in. I have used it the least by far. Other than a double grip and a bit of blue tack in the handle, not much tweaking goin on with the Clashes. I mostly just tried to keep the vibration down so I would fatigue less. I am very sensitive to vibration, I guess.
