Great Analysis of Wawrinka's BH

Lance L

Semi-Pro
Good read, interesting article.
One bone I want to pick is something I see all the time. He points out one 2 to 1 switch helped a player, and one 1 to 2 case where it hurt the player, then uses that as if it is data to support, hell, anything. How does he know that Sampras wouldn't have been as good, or better, in the end if he had stuck with 2 hander? How does he know that the player that switched to 2, that was the reason for his stagnation? He doesn't know any of that. He is confusing anecdote for data, and I hate seeing it.
 
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Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
How does he know that Sampras wouldn't have been as good, or better, in the end if he had stuck with 2 hander?
Not likely that Sampras, a serve and volleyer, would have had better results with a two-hander.
If you look at the pro game there have been very few if any great volleyers with two-handed backhand groundstrokes. Why? Because the backhand volley is hit with one hand and is fundamentally similar to the one handed groundstroke. If you spend most of your time hitting thousands of groundstrokes with two hands, there is no way you are going to be as natural with one-hand at the net. That's just a fact.

https://www.tennisplayer.net/member...ckhand/topspin_backhand/topspin_backhand.html
 

spaceman_spiff

Hall of Fame
Not likely that Sampras, a serve and volleyer, would have had better results with a two-hander.
If you look at the pro game there have been very few if any great volleyers with two-handed backhand groundstrokes. Why? Because the backhand volley is hit with one hand and is fundamentally similar to the one handed groundstroke. If you spend most of your time hitting thousands of groundstrokes with two hands, there is no way you are going to be as natural with one-hand at the net. That's just a fact.

https://www.tennisplayer.net/member...ckhand/topspin_backhand/topspin_backhand.html
Ivanisevic had a fairly good career as an S&V player in the same era as Sampras. And from what I hear about Sampras, it sounds like his 2-hander would probably have been better than Ivanisevic's.

But more importantly, a backhand volley is only similar to a slice backhand, not a topspin 1-hander like Sampras and others have used. So any player with a 2HBH who learns to slice properly with 1 hand doesn't really have any disadvantage that wouldn't be there if he/she had a 1HBH.

The only 2-handers that are at a disadvantage are the ones who never learn to hit a proper slice.
 

gregor.b

Professional
Ivanisevic had a fairly good career as an S&V player in the same era as Sampras. And from what I hear about Sampras, it sounds like his 2-hander would probably have been better than Ivanisevic's.

But more importantly, a backhand volley is only similar to a slice backhand, not a topspin 1-hander like Sampras and others have used. So any player with a 2HBH who learns to slice properly with 1 hand doesn't really have any disadvantage that wouldn't be there if he/she had a 1HBH.

The only 2-handers that are at a disadvantage are the ones who never learn to hit a proper slice.
Sorry Spiff, gotta disagree on this one. You lose all sorts of feel with your dominant hand (l/h 2 hbh) rather than if you are using the same hand all the time.

Tried a 2 hbh and lost all feel for everything else b/h strike wise. Just my 0.02.

Cheers,

Greg.
 

spaceman_spiff

Hall of Fame
Sorry Spiff, gotta disagree on this one. You lose all sorts of feel with your dominant hand (l/h 2 hbh) rather than if you are using the same hand all the time.

Tried a 2 hbh and lost all feel for everything else b/h strike wise. Just my 0.02.

Cheers,

Greg.
I was taught how to hit a 2-hander when I was 13. Before that, I could only hit slice backhands. Developing a 2-hander didn't negatively affect my slice and didn't prevent me from learning how to volley properly.

Later in life, I learned how to hit topspin 1-handers. It didn't improve my slice backhands or volleys one bit. Eventually, I went back to the 2-hander, and again I didn't notice any effect on my slice or volleys.
 
Ivanisevic had a fairly good career as an S&V player in the same era as Sampras. And from what I hear about Sampras, it sounds like his 2-hander would probably have been better than Ivanisevic's. But more importantly, a backhand volley is only similar to a slice backhand, not a topspin 1-hander like Sampras and others have used. So any player with a 2HBH who learns to slice properly with 1 hand doesn't really have any disadvantage that wouldn't be there if he/she had a 1HBH.

The only 2-handers that are at a disadvantage are the ones who never learn to hit a proper slice.
how do you know? if sampras had been comfortable with his two hander he probably would not have changed to a one hander. some People are just not good at hitting a two hander (maybe a bad left Hand or whatever).

a below average two hander would not have helped pete (although his one hander was not super dominant either).
 

spaceman_spiff

Hall of Fame
how do you know? if sampras had been comfortable with his two hander he probably would not have changed to a one hander. some People are just not good at hitting a two hander (maybe a bad left Hand or whatever).

a below average two hander would not have helped pete (although his one hander was not super dominant either).
There's plenty written about Pete's old backhand and how good it was. From what I've heard, it was more reliable than his forehand, which is why the transition to using 1 hand was such a painful process.

Even recently during the FO, one of the commentators here was chatting with Jim Courier about players who switched to 1-handers, so naturally they got on the topic of Sampras. Courier mentioned how good Pete's old 2-hander was and said he wasn't all that certain that the switch to 1 hand actually helped Pete. All he could say for certain was that the switch didn't stop him from winning.
 
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