Great article on Scoville and Donald

Bones08

Professional
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...an22,0,501355.story?coll=orl-sports-headlines

KISSIMMEE -- One is 19 years old, 6 feet 2 with a powerful serve. The other is 16, barely 5-9 with graceful moves and cat-like agility on the tennis court.

Together, junior tennis prodigies Scoville Jenkins and Donald Young could offer American men's professional tennis something it hasn't seen in a history that spans more than 100 years: a storied rivalry on the ATP Tour between two elite African-American men.

Some observers say the Atlanta teens could do for men's tennis what Venus and Serena Williams did for the women's game and what Tiger Woods did for golf.

Already, they have made history by winning major junior championships and earning world rankings. In Kissimmee this week to compete in the Star Island Tennis Classic, both say they welcome the attention but say it's too early to say they're the future of the sport.

"That depends on how good we get," Jenkins quickly points out. "When [Pete] Sampras and [Andre] Agassi were rivals, they were both top 10 in the world."

Jenkins, 19, and Young, 16, still have a long climb ahead of them to reach that point. Young was beaten in the first round of the Star Island tournament and has struggled against adult competition. Jenkins, ranked No. 266 in the ATP rankings and the top-seeded player at Star Island, will face second-seeded Eric Nunez in today's championship match.

But their results in the junior ranks suggest their time is coming. Jenkins became the first African-American in the event's 89 years to win the prestigious U.S. Tennis Association boys 18s national hard-court singles championship in 2004. Young got his own title the next year.

Jenkins' historic victory earned him a wild-card entry into the 2004 U.S. Open, where he was pummeled by a 152-mph serve and defeated in straight sets by Andy Roddick. However, he forced the public to take notice at the next U.S. Open when he traded baseline blows with No. 2-seeded Rafael Nadal of Spain before a nationally televised audience.

Young's name became synonymous with fellow left-hander John McEnroe and Roddick when he became the youngest world junior champ at 16 and finished 2005 ranked No. 1 in the world in boys tennis.

Race perplexes and intrigues them.

Accomplishments with the asterisk of "black" can feel constricting at times, said Jenkins' father, Scoville, and Young's mother, Illona. Race cannot dwarf their talent, but it won't be ignored.

"People bring it up, but it's not something I really think about," Young said.

They find themselves linked but rarely cross paths as their careers take them cities and continents apart. They've only hit against each other twice despite living 45 minutes apart in Atlanta. Jenkins said he was 13 when he saw the then-10-year-old Young trade swings with 15-year-olds.

"He didn't miss many balls," Jenkins said of Young, who has been playing tennis since age 2 and gained the attention of superstars such as McEnroe even before he was a teen.

Overseas travels have broadened their perspectives about race beyond America.

Jenkins, whose mother, Carol, is Chinese-West Indian, said his eyes were opened further as a 14-year-old playing in a tournament in Belgium. "A person on the tour asked me, 'Why is the race thing so big in the United States when here it doesn't matter?' " Jenkins said.

But Jenkins and Young said they know race does matter here. A grin broke across Jenkins' face when asked about the possibility of broadening tennis' appeal the way Woods, his favorite athlete, did for golf. Jenkins wears trademark corn rolls and said he likes how the Williamses, who once donned beaded braids, are marketed.

"It's good to be different," Jenkins said. "I look at the marketing of football players and basketball players on TV, and every year they do something different. With tennis, it's the same thing every year. I definitely want to bring my own flavor."

It's good business as well. Doug Pirnie, IMG sports agency senior vice president, said it is too difficult to speculate on potential endorsement figures but said the payoff could be great. Pirnie's agency represents Young; Jenkins is represented by Octagon sports agency.

"What they can [earn] is unlimited based on how well they do and depending on what the market is wanting at that time," said Pirnie, whose firm also represents McEnroe. "They'll certainly be players to watch."

If Jenkins and Young are halfway as successful as the Williams sisters, they'll become multimillionaires. Venus and Serena Williams have won more than $10 million each on court and have combined to rake in more than $100 million in endorsements with companies such as Nike, Reebok and McDonald's.

Some people say the attention earned by Jenkins and Young may lead to a boon of participation in tennis by black males.

Helyn Edwards, community outreach director for the USTA, said her organization supports the duo's success. Last year, the USTA awarded 82 grants to minority tennis players from youth to college-age athletes. Just 27 went to males, while 55 were awarded to female players.

Edwards said she believes the higher girls numbers are attributed directly to the face that the Williams sisters have put on women's tennis. She said she hopes Jenkins and Young can do the same.

"It would be amazing," Edwards said. "The biggest thing you get is role models."
Earning attention based off their talent and novelty doesn't concern ATP Tour coach Torrey Hawkins. However, Hawkins, who also is black, does worry about the pressure elite black male tennis players face in a sport that hasn't seen a black Grand Slam tournament champion since Ashe won Wimbledon in 1975.

"[America is] partly spoiled and there's not an appreciation for how tough a level that is, and that's the public's downfall," said Hawkins, who has coached Jenkins for seven years. "We have to be realistic. You can't will a tennis player. We're impatient in a lot of areas."

Until the numbers of top-level black male tennis players climb, athletes such as Jenkins and Young could be unfairly expected to shoulder the weight of an entire race, Hawkins said.

They aren't completely alone. Marcus Fugate, Timothy Neilly and Phillip Simmonds are promising young black tennis players on the men's futures tour.

But based off last year's performances, Jenkins and Young could catapult into the national spotlight sooner.

And the world will be waiting.

Shannon J. Owens can be reached at sjowens@orlandosentinel.com.
 
They didn't go to the AO. Both of them chose to stay in the states and play this swing of 3 Futures events in Florida to get matches, get points, etc, etc, etc. I suspect that both of them will play the Dallas and Joplin Challengers as well (or maybe qualies at Delray and San Jose). Scoey has already been given a wildcard to the Memphis ATP stop in February.

Yay Scoey (he won that final, in case you missed the earlier thread).
 
How come you can't pm people in this forum?

@Bones08- Do you know of any online discussion groups for African American tennis fans? I did a search online but couldn't find any. You seem to keep up a lot with the AA players so I was just wondering if you knew.

Btw, expect a lot of backlash if you continue to post threads on the Williams sisters, Donald Young, and Sco. I haven't been here long, but it seems James Blake is the acceptable favorite. You can't convince people to appreciate players because you do.
 
legolas said:
lol i know, just cuz their black, people r writing atricles for em, and no, dont think i hate black people
Heh, I hope you wrote that with the full intention of being flamed:mrgreen:
I agree but I also disagree. I agree that they are black and MAYBE, just maybe they are getting more attention beucase there are so few black, or lets be PC, African American, tennis players. But also, they arent getting attention merely because they are black, they also have worked extremly hard to get to where they are today. Its not like they are African American and they are O.K. at tennis. Although Donald Young's furture stardom is a bit premature now, well, extremly premature seeing as he has not even won one set yet, he still had to do well on the junior circut. I see potential for Jenkins, but i think Monfils is a better player becuase of his results.
Just my 2 cents.
 
Well theres a great Forum here: http://www.ltmn.com/forums/

I'm here for every player because that's how I do. I am very happy to announce a lot of stuff about the AA players.

I think that people on this board should respect every race, so I will continue to post,

By the way friends, 14 years olds Jarmere Jenkins and Brittany Augustine have both turned pro. Brittany is already clocking serves at 112, Jarmere at 119-121. Both are AA.

I like this board a lot, so I will keep information for all real tennis fans coming!!!
 
scoville seems to have the size and power that are prevelant with the pro's today, donald young is well...... young, he may continue to grow and fill out to be an agassi size player. DY's game is built on consistency, variety, touch and constructing points which I love (ala hingis) unfortunately todays game is all about power & speed and if DY doesn't get bigger or hit a more powerful ball, no matter how talented he is he will struggle and may not make it.
 
Thanks for the referral. I like this board...but some folks here are a little too intense. I mean I loves me some tennis, but some of y'all are on some on other sh*t. It's like there is a secret competition going on over who knows the most. Sometimes I just want to have a light hearted discussion about my favorite players whether they suck or not with out have to get into a war over stats.
 
Bones08 said:
Well theres a great Forum here: http://www.ltmn.com/forums/

Sorry, but that is not a 'great' forum. I have had MANY problems with the suspicious pop up ads there (which seem to be able to get around the 4 blockers that I have layered on my computer). I won't even get into the behavior of one of the moderators there. TW must not take it seriously either, or they would have blocked the URL by now. There is a ton of incorrect info spread around that forum (but the Venus and Serena fans there are very loyal, I'll give them that).
 
fantenam08 said:
Thanks for the referral. I like this board...but some folks here are a little too intense. I mean I loves me some tennis, but some of y'all are on some on other sh*t. It's like there is a secret competition going on over who knows the most. Sometimes I just want to have a light hearted discussion about my favorite players whether they suck or not with out have to get into a war over stats.

You should try the world wide tennis forum. Seems to be fun there. Mens tennis forums dot com is a huge forum, so you get all types there. The General forum is pretty intense, but the individual player forums are usually more fun to peruse.
 
Okay that explains why this explains why the lawn tennis forum looks so empty.

Thanks Fee. Perhaps it is the limited amount of estrogen that causes these forums to be so tense.
 
rofl.

We're here, you just have to find us.

I was just offering a different opinion on LTMN, but I didn't mean to discourage you from joining up. Sorry if that came out a bit harsh. Things have been kind of 'tense' and competitive around here lately, but there are plenty of good natured male posters that make it worthwhile. Some of them you have to read for a while before you begin to understand that they are being a bit facetious sometimes, but I've learned a lot from the real tennis discussions here so I would encourage you to stay (and we do need more women, go on girl!).
 
I've learned alot here too. :) I have to confess though all the tennis serves look the same to me. But I am getting better at distinguishing the different serves the more I watch the game. I didn't grow up playing tennis so that is probably why.
 
FedererUberAlles said:
You're a ****ing idiot.


no... not really.... think about it, could you imagine anyone writing an article like that about a white guy whose no. 277 and a white kid who did really well in the juniors and is getting crushed in the pros? didnt think so
 
FEE, sorry I called you a B*tch! I didn't mean to call you a *itch. Really, I am so sorry to have called you a bit*h. I will do my best to stop calling you a bitc*.:mrgreen:
 
I see there have now been 14 posts by someone who hijacked my identity. Don't know if this is Deuce, Rabbit, Susan, or whoever, but it's a nice try by whoever -

I suppose the TW 'moderator' will let this one go on as well, just like the one with Breakpoint...

What foolish people post on here...
 
randomname said:
no... not really.... think about it, could you imagine anyone writing an article like that about a white guy whose no. 277 and a white kid who did really well in the juniors and is getting crushed in the pros? didnt think so

Are there any such guys who are NOT being written about? Aren't these two better than others in the same category - i.e., top junior, next upcoming after Roddick and friends, etc? Is there any other current ITF junior champion who is being ignored?

Have you also seen the many articles written about Alexa Glatch and Jessica Kirkland?
 
vantagepoint said:
I see there have now been 14 posts by someone who hijacked my identity. Don't know if this is Deuce, Rabbit, Susan, or whoever, but it's a nice try by whoever -

I suppose the TW 'moderator' will let this one go on as well, just like the one with Breakpoint...

What foolish people post on here...
WHy do you hate deuce so much? After all these months of exchanges between the two of you (and Susan), he really doesn't have anything personally against you. It's just that you do not debate respectably. Your preference,rather, is to make insults and run like the coward that you truly are!
 
vantagepoint said:
I see there have now been 14 posts by someone who hijacked my identity. Don't know if this is Deuce, Rabbit, Susan, or whoever, but it's a nice try by whoever -

I suppose the TW 'moderator' will let this one go on as well, just like the one with Breakpoint...

What foolish people post on here...

Jesus, Larry - must you so constantly prove what an obsessed jackass you are? I think the majority here are already well aware of this fact - no need to persist.

Many usernames have been 'stolen' - not just yours, despite your typically trying to paint it as the work of one of your 'enemies'.

If this 'hijacking' of usernames reeks of anyone's method of operation, it is certainly yours. Who can tell the 'real' vantagepoint from the fake one, since even the 'real' one is such a phony?

Of course, if it is you 'stealing' people's usernames, you're probably not conscious of it - this is the degree to which you are irrationally deranged.

Why dont you do everyone a favor and simply go the hell away for good, like you perpetually promise to? For once in your life, be honest and keep your word.
 
randomname said:
no... not really.... think about it, could you imagine anyone writing an article like that about a white guy whose no. 277 and a white kid who did really well in the juniors and is getting crushed in the pros? didnt think so
It's because they're black and play TENNIS. Why do you think Tiger Woods got so much press even before he proved himself on the PGA? Why do you think Yao gets so much attention in the NBA?

Look at the ATP top 100 and count the number of black players there. I count 2, and if you take Blake's mother into consideration, I count 1-1/2. That's why it's news.
 
vantagepoint said:
I see there have now been 14 posts by someone who hijacked my identity. Don't know if this is Deuce, Rabbit, Susan, or whoever, but it's a nice try by whoever -

I suppose the TW 'moderator' will let this one go on as well, just like the one with Breakpoint...

What foolish people post on here...

Nice try, vantagepoint, but as usual, you'd rather cast aspersions on others than care about the truth. Truth is, my ID was stolen as well.

And your last sentence was a glowing self-indictment.

Enjoy the game...sniff sniff
 
As Rodney King would say "can't we all get along?" No? Oh, well.

I'll read an article about them when they do something. Donald being #1 in the juniors is nice and I'm sure he and his family will put a lot of money in the bank via endorsements, but until they do something against the big boys, I don't care.
 
Young Has Yet To in An ATP Set, let alone an ATP Match

Marius_Hancu said:
where were they in the AO?


Neither one of them qualified for Australian Open. They are good but not world class yet. Young has yet to win an ATP match (yet to win an ATP set).
 
Yet none of you mind the media attention Jennifer Scholle got just for being connected to James Blake. Or any of the other tennis bimbos either. We could have 10 page threads on Kirilenko, Benesova, and a whole bunch of other useless players that I could care less about as long as these women give you a hard on. Most of them will never win a major tournament. But one old, most likely old, article about Young and Jenkins gets peoples panties in a bunch.

So someone wanted to write an article on them. So what? You can find an article about any atp or wta player at anytime if you do a google search. Try it.
 
That article was published on Saturday. Whether or not Scoey and Donald are Black, they both have good agents who are working the media angle for them. It's what agents do (and the fact that John McEnroe has been spouting about DY for two years now probably doesn't hurt either).

Neither one of them qualified for Australian Open. They are good but not world class yet. Young has yet to win an ATP match (yet to win an ATP set).

Actually, Scoey was on the entry list for the qualies, but they decided to stay in the States and get matches instead.
 
I remember when Blake scored his big Nike contract there were lots of posts about how he didn't deserve it and he would never be a big time player. Now it looks like the Nike folks can judge talent a little better than some of the posters here, most of whom have never seen either of these guys play. By the way, I watched Jenkins practice against Roddick in Austin last year. They were playing baseline games and Jenkins more than held his own. Then they started to serve and Roddick made Jenkins look like a little kid, which he still is, compared to a seasoned pro. In two or three years, it may be different.
 
Jenkins was also a practise partner for the US Davis Cup team.

I find nothing unusual about his coverage (or Young's) and don't see any bias. Upcoming teenagers always attract attention. And their corporate sponsors make sure that is the case.

Michelle Wie for example.
 
^ Especially when they're upcoming teenagers that are BLACK and BREAKING RECORDS in a sport that is predominately white. Donald is the youngest world champion junior ever and he's black. Scoville Jenkins is the first black kid to ever win Kalamazoo 18's. Something is generally considered newsworthy when it's note-worthy, out of the norm, a first, has bigger implications. In the world of tennis, by almost any definition Donald and Scoville are newsworthy. Donald is almost more newsworthy BECAUSE of his failings, rather than less BECAUSE of them.
 
fantenam08 said:
We could have 10 page threads on Kirilenko, Benesova, and a whole bunch of other useless players that I could care less about as long as these women give you a hard on. Most of them will never win a major tournament. But one old, most likely old, article about Young and Jenkins gets peoples panties in a bunch.
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Hmm not sure why you are calling Benesova and and Kirilenko useless. Kirilenko is ranked 25th in the world has won 3 singles and 2 doubles titles. She is younger than Scoville Jenkins who just won a single Futures event. Benesova is 42nd in the world and also has 4 singles and 5 doubles titles. If they are useless I guess you must consider Young and Jenkins completely worthless since they haven't accomplished anywhere close to the same thing.

The article is 2 days old Jan. 22.
 
They are still useless to me. The only reason anyone wants to talk about them here is because of their looks. If success was an indicator of noteworthy threads here, then there wouldn't be 5 threads a day going on about who's the hottest, or a thread everyday wishing top players like Federer would retire.
 
fantenam08 said:
They are still useless to me. The only reason anyone wants to talk about them here is because of their looks. If success was an indicator of noteworthy threads here, then there wouldn't be 5 threads a day going on about who's the hottest, or a thread everyday wishing top players like Federer would retire.


People are not only talking about Kirilenko because of her looks. If she were ranked 500 in the world nobody would even know who she is. I am sure there are quite a few good looking WTA players ranked 200-1400 that nobody has ever heard of because they haven't done anything on the tour. Thus they never get mentioned. The reason that Kirlenko and Benesova are talked about is not only their looks but because they are relatively successful and they have talent. Anybody who watches tennis can see that. Kirilenko has the potential to be top 10.

Why are people even talking about Jenkins? Because he is black? Future events are held year round practically every week. There are tons of promising young players that have won future events and he is the only one that is mentioned. In fact in all my time reading this board I think this is the first time somebody had a post about a player winning a futures event.
 
goober said:
People are not only talking about Kirilenko because of her looks. If she were ranked 500 in the world nobody would even know who she is. I am sure there are quite a few good looking WTA players ranked 200-1400 that nobody has ever heard of because they haven't done anything on the tour. Thus they never get mentioned. The reason that Kirlenko and Benesova are talked about is not only their looks but because they are relatively successful and they have talent. Anybody who watches tennis can see that. Kirilenko has the potential to be top 10.

Why are people even talking about Jenkins? Because he is black? Future events are held year round practically every week. There are tons of promising young players that have won future events and he is the only one that is mentioned. In fact in all my time reading this board I think this is the first time somebody had a post about a player winning a futures event.

Well, the fact is that they're American, and we need American prospects. Look at the Australian Open as exhibit A. Right now, there isn't much to get excited about regarding the future of American tennis, and these guys at least offer some hope.
 
atatu said:
Well, the fact is that they're American, and we need American prospects. Look at the Australian Open as exhibit A. Right now, there isn't much to get excited about regarding the future of American tennis, and these guys at least offer some hope.

Look I don't have any problem about anyone dicussing any up and coming player. That is what this board is for. What I take offense to is somebody saying that a top 25 player is "useless" but then thinks that discussing a player that is ranked 266 and won a single futures event is something noteworthy. I think that jenkins top 100 material. I think it is far from clear that he is going to be top 25. If you look at all the great recent American players- Agassi, Chang, Sampras, Courier- they were all top 20 players at Jenkins age. Even Roddick was in the top 20 at age 19.
 
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