Great Poly Cross for a Multi Main?

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I'm going to be trying several different string set ups in a Burn 100 CV tennis racquet, one of which is a multi main paired with a poly (probably on the 'slicker' side) cross. After a lot of reading in other posts and the customer feedback left, it seems like these are some of the most recommended ones:

Yonex Poly Tour Fire 16L
IsoSpeed Black Fire 17
Wilson Revolve 17
MSV Co-Focus 16L
Yonex Poly Tour Pro 16L
IsoSpeed Baseline Speed 16L (although only available in a reel)

Can anyone give some feedback on any of those strings and whether they might pair up nicely as a cross for a multi?

Thanks!

TripleB
 
#3
There's almost way too many to offer as options. I used Topspin Cyber Blue quite a bit back when I was doing hybrids. I think that would still be a good option. I also used Kirschbaum Competition a lot and still think it's a really good smooth poly. I really like Luxilon Ace as well, it made some of the best hybrids I've used, but durability with that one isn't great because it's quite thin.

With all of these I think the secret for getting a really good playing hybrid is going to be stringing the poly quite a bit lower than the multi. Also, if you want something that will help the multi last longer I'd recommend going with 16 guage instead of the smaller gauges. Ace really tore up a lot of the strings I paired with it, and I think the thinner gauge really enhances that effect.
 

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Never tried it, but I would assume Wilson Revolve since that tends to get recommended for gut hybrids.
And the orange Revolve cross would look awesome in the Burn with a black main :p

I'm pretty sure the Revolve and the Tour Fire are "specially formulated" to be slicker for increased snap back...I'm not sure about the others!

There's almost way too many to offer as options.

With all of these I think the secret for getting a really good playing hybrid is going to be stringing the poly quite a bit lower than the multi. Also, if you want something that will help the multi last longer I'd recommend going with 16 guage instead of the smaller gauges. Ace really tore up a lot of the strings I paired with it, and I think the thinner gauge really enhances that effect.
So true...I was trying to look for some that were made for 'snap back' or had reviews saying they had been used specifically as a cross.

How much lower should the poly cross be strung than the multi main...around 5 pounds?

I was thinking of going with the 1.25mm cross because I thought that even at 1.25mm, the poly cross would outlast a 1.25mm or a 1.30mm multi main.

Yea, tried Ace in the past (although as a full bed) and didn't care much for it.

Thanks for the help.

TripleB
 
#6
A smooth [low COF] SG with very good tension maintenance is Bab Spiral Tek. Plays well as a FB, but too soft for me. The string has generally the same stiffness as Velocity, so you could probably use the same tension.
 
#7
I used Sensation/YPTP at 54/50 for my APD2013 before switching to high differential Kev/ZX. No complaints on the Sensation/YPTP front. I had no basis for comparison since that was the first and only multi/poly hybrid I've ever tried (my other string jobs are mostly poly and sg hybrids and fb sg).
 
#9
How much lower should the poly cross be strung than the multi main...around 5 pounds?

I was thinking of going with the 1.25mm cross because I thought that even at 1.25mm, the poly cross would outlast a 1.25mm or a 1.30mm multi main.

Yea, tried Ace in the past (although as a full bed) and didn't care much for it.
Ace is pretty stiff so it needs to be strung lower than most current copolys. When I played it in a full bed I used 47-50lbs IIRC. It played really well for me, but I was also using a 13oz frame then. Might need to be a little lower even in a lighter frame.

I think I would try 20% less tension in the poly than the multi to start with. Although everyone has their own preferences on this sort of thing.

Going with the thicker poly cross in my experience makes the multi last longer. Thinner poly seems to cut through the multi faster.
 

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Thanks for all the input....I think I've made up my mind on my multi/poly set up!!! Appreciate the help!

One question...if using an all same string multi (or all synthetic for that matter) stringing in a racquet...should the crosses be at a different tension (say 3 pounds less) than the mains?

Thanks again!

TripleB
 

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Several people have recommended, on other post, Luxilon 4G as a great cross to go with a multi (or gut) main. Is it ultra smooth (or slick) so it works great with a multifilament main?

Thanks!

TripleB
 
#12
Going to throw this one out there:

Prince Tournament Nylon 15L.
Not a poly, but it behaves differently as a cross than you might expect. Something about the thicker gauge helps it wear differently on the surface (i.e., wears flatter without notching/denting) to allow decent spin along with excellent control. I’ve been using as a cross with kevlar mains.
 
#14
I'm going to be trying several different string set ups in a Burn 100 CV tennis racquet, one of which is a multi main paired with a poly (probably on the 'slicker' side) cross. After a lot of reading in other posts and the customer feedback left, it seems like these are some of the most recommended ones:

Yonex Poly Tour Fire 16L
IsoSpeed Black Fire 17
Wilson Revolve 17
MSV Co-Focus 16L
Yonex Poly Tour Pro 16L
IsoSpeed Baseline Speed 16L (although only available in a reel)

Can anyone give some feedback on any of those strings and whether they might pair up nicely as a cross for a multi?

Thanks!

TripleB
We already talked about Isospeed Baseline, but I think I forgot to mention another consideration.

The guy who runs the club program where I work in the summers plays with the Wilson Ultra Tour and strings them with NXT mains and Luxilon Element crosses (probably 1.25mm). No idea what tensions he uses, but I think this layout has been working for him for a couple of years. I know it's rather expensive, but I'm pretty sure that the Element is a softer and livelier than average poly from what I've heard from a couple of local sluggers who use it.
 

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I tried the Head Velocity MLT 16g mains with the Wilson Revolve 16g cross (57/51) today and had mixed results. I like the power this combination offered but the control was a bit lacking. I'm pretty sure it was the main causing me problems and not the cross.

At the same time I was trying this hybrid I was trying a full bed of Head Velocity MLT 16g (57/54) and a full bed of Prince Premier Control 16g (57/54) and I much preferred the Premier Control string bed...probably because it played very much like a poly, but with a slightly softer feel.

Next I think I would like to try the Premier Control mains with the Revolve cross thinking it will make it actually play more like a poly/syn set up that I've been playing with for many many years but with a slightly softer feel.

I also have a couple other crosses to try: Isospeed Cream and Yonex Poly Tour Pro.

What will I gain (or lose) if I go with a Premier Control/poly hybrid instead of that full bed of Premier Control?

Thanks for all the input!

TripleB
 
#18
What will I gain (or lose) if I go with a Premier Control/poly hybrid instead of that full bed of Premier Control?

Thanks for all the input!

TripleB
To answer your question, you will gain more power and comfort with the PPC in the mains and lose some control, as well as durability of the mains.

I haven't tried that setup myself so I can't say anything about spin from my own experience but I like to imagine spin mostly comes from technique so I'll leave the qualitative measurements to other users who have more experience with this setup.

One of the most common remarks given about multi/poly or synthetic gut/poly hybrids is that the overall durability of the setup is not very good. You'll have to take this into consideration when deciding on whether or not to stay with this setup long term.
 

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One of the most common remarks given about multi/poly or synthetic gut/poly hybrids is that the overall durability of the setup is not very good. You'll have to take this into consideration when deciding on whether or not to stay with this setup long term.
I've got a couple smooth polys (Cream, Revolve, PTP) I'm going to be trying as a cross with the multi mains so I'm hoping the smooth poly will offer a bit more durability than a full multi set up.

Thanks for the input!!!

TripleB
 

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After trying out my three racquets, with different strings in them:

I definitely liked the full Head Velocity MLT the least...didn't offer the spin or control I was hoping for out of it. The demo, that also had this Head string in it, was more to my liking than what a fresh set feels like in it. I think the Velocity in the demo had been in there a while and felt a bit more dead, stiff, and offered better spin than what it does freshly strung.

Right now my full Prince Premier Control 16g stringing is probably my favorite...mainly because it plays like a poly but with better feel when strung at 57 pounds. It's a little stiffer than the Head string, offers better spin, better control, but with a slight loss in power (which I don't mind). I have the most confidence in all parts of my game except the backhand slice with this string set up. I guess my only concern is going to be durability...after about 4 sets with this string set up the strings are looking pretty rough...we will see.

The Head Velocity main with the Wilson Revolve cross really shines on my backhand slice (which is incredible with this string set up) and does well on kick serves (although control could be a bit better), but overall it just doesn't have the control offered by the full Premier Control string.

I believe the next set up I'm going to try are a Prince Premier Control 16g mains with IsoSpeed Cream 1.28mm crosses. I'll be interested to see how the Premier strings move across the Cream string....they seem to be somewhat rougher than the Head Velocity string - hopefully the Cream will allow them to move across and snap back like the Revolve seems to do.

I'll see how that goes but I'll probably try the Prince Premier Control main with a Yonex Poly Tour Pro cross OR try a Solinco Hyper G 1.25 main with a Gosen OG Sheep Micro Super 1.25 cross (don't want to go with my old stand by, Tour Bite main/Gosen Super cross, for fear of arm problems with the 69 flex of the Burn).

Thanks again for all the input.

TripleB
 
#22
I've got a couple smooth polys (Cream, Revolve, PTP) I'm going to be trying as a cross with the multi mains so I'm hoping the smooth poly will offer a bit more durability than a full multi set up.

Thanks for the input!!!

TripleB
It depends on which multi, of course (some are more durable than others), but I'm not sure you're going to find that a multi/poly (even a "smooth" poly) hybrid will last longer than a full bed of multi. Poly can be pretty tough on SG or Multi mains if you hit very hard or with much spin. For someone who plays at a high level with even a moderate amount of spin, neither a full multi set-up or a multi/poly set-up are likely to last very long.

You might want to consider Natural Gut mains x poly crosses. Yes, the "up-front" cost of that is much higher than multi/poly because of the cost of the Gut. However, Gut mains x smooth poly crosses hybrid will last many times longer than any multi/poly set-up is likely to, thereby making the initial cost seem much more reasonable over the life of the hybrid. If you were to get Babolat Tonic Gut, a half set of that for the mains would be about $10 more than a half set of multi, but when used with smooth poly crosses, the Gut is just going to last a lot longer.
 

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You might want to consider Natural Gut mains x poly crosses. Yes, the "up-front" cost of that is much higher than multi/poly because of the cost of the Gut. However, Gut mains x smooth poly crosses hybrid will last many times longer than any multi/poly set-up is likely to, thereby making the initial cost seem much more reasonable over the life of the hybrid. If you were to get Babolat Tonic Gut, a half set of that for the mains would be about $10 more than a half set of multi, but when used with smooth poly crosses, the Gut is just going to last a lot longer.
What makes a 1.30mm natural gut main with a slick poly cross so much more durable than a 1.30mm multi (such as my current favorite Head Velocity MLT) with the same slick poly cross?

I have a full set of Klip Legend SSS 1.30 I've been itching to try.

I'm thinking about finding my favorite poly cross (Revolve 1.30, Cream 1.28, or Poly Tour Pro 1.30) using the Head Velocity and then try the cross I like best with the natural gut!

TripleB
 
#24
What makes a 1.30mm natural gut main with a slick poly cross so much more durable than a 1.30mm multi (such as my current favorite Head Velocity MLT) with the same slick poly cross?

I have a full set of Klip Legend SSS 1.30 I've been itching to try.

I'm thinking about finding my favorite poly cross (Revolve 1.30, Cream 1.28, or Poly Tour Pro 1.30) using the Head Velocity and then try the cross I like best with the natural gut!

TripleB
I don't know what makes Gut/poly so much more durable than multi/poly, it just is. I tried Velocity/Cream (poly) and after 90 minutes of singles play the Velocity mains were already notched almost halfway through. And Velocity is one of the more durable multi strings that I've tried. Also had noticeably less spin than Gut/poly, and stopped snapping back straight within 5 minutes of play.

I have a Prince Graphite II with Tonic Gut 15l ("Longevity") mains and Solinco Outlast poly crosses and I've replaced the poly crosses once, but the Gut mains have 20 hours on them in that racquet, still snapping back straight, and still look quite good. And that racquet has a 14x18 string pattern, which is great for spin but hell on string life.

I've got almost 10 hours on a Prince Phantom Pro 100p (16x18) with Tonic Gut "Ball Feel" mains x Prince Tour XP poly crosses, and the Gut mains are barely even fraying yet, and I hit a lot of spin on both wings.

Gut in a full bed is not very durable if you hit much spin, but Gut mains with poly crosses is a whole different story.
 

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I don't know what makes Gut/poly so much more durable than multi/poly, it just is. I tried Velocity/Cream (poly) and after 90 minutes of singles play the Velocity mains were already notched almost halfway through. And Velocity is one of the more durable multi strings that I've tried. Also had noticeably less spin than Gut/poly, and stopped snapping back straight within 5 minutes of play.
Thanks for the feedback!!!

Right now loving the Velocity MLT 16g natural / Wilson Revolve 16g orange hybrid.

Didn't care much for the full multifilament setups: full Velocity MLT 16g natural or the full Prince Premier Control 16g black...both at 57 pound mains and 54 pound crosses. I think the problem might be I've played with a poly/syn hybrid so long the full multi just feels awkward!!!

Getting ready to try a Velocity MLT 16g natural/IsoSpeed Cream 1.28mm cream hybrid as well as a Prince Premier Control 16g black/Wilson Revolve 16g orange hybrid.

With my three racquets I I figure I can compare the Velocity/Revolve hybrid to the Velocity/Cream hybrid to see which of those two I like better. And at the same time I can compare the Premier Control/Revolve hybrid to the Velocity/Revolve hybrid to see which one of those two I like better.

Strung my Velocity/Revolve hybrid at 57/51...never had that much difference in main/cross tension but then again I'm used to a poly/syn hybrid instead of a multi/poly hybrid.

TripleB
 
#26
I've tried a full bed of Velocity, and really liked the low powered control I got from it. Also, as far as Multi's go, it was fairly durable, lasted me a little over 6 hours. Wasn't thrilled with the spin, it was just so-so. I really liked a full bed of Tecnifibre Multifeel, had better spin than any other full bed multi I've tried, but it was fraying significantly and ready to pop in about an hour and a half. I've tried a few different poly/syngut hybrids and wasn't that impressed. Didn't have the comfort of full syngut, and didn't have the spin of full poly. I definitely get more spin from a Gut/poly hybrid, and it's more comfy as well, for me. How long any of these set-ups last you just depends, obviously, on how hard and how much spin you hit. A lot of guys on here praise Velocity/Cream to the skies, but for me, as mentioned, it was notched about halfway through in just an hour and a half of singles play. A $10 string combo isn't worth it to me if it only lasts 3 hours before it breaks, though for someone who hits more flat or not as hard, it may be great and last much longer. Just depends on your style of play and what kind of performance you're looking to get out of your strings.
 

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I'm having two of my three Wilson Burn 100 CV racquets strung up with a hybrid using IsoSpeed 1.28mm Cream crosses. One with Velocity MLT 16g mains and one with Prince Premier Control 16g mains. I'm trying to determine when I like the Velocity or Premier Control main better while comparing each to the Velocity MLT/Revolve set up I'm really liking right now. Probably going to try one of those with the Yonex Poly Tour Pro 16g as a cross after than.

Should I even try each of these set ups in a 1.25mm gauge or would the durability be horrible with a 1.25 multi main and 1.25mm poly cross?

And should multi mains and poly crosses always be the same gauge?

Appreciate it!!!

TripleB
 
#28
OP, my 2cents

Yonex Poly Tour Fire 16L, is a good option, smooth slick option for a cross
Wilson Revolve 17, is a good option, smooth slick option for a cross, designed for this purpose
MSV Co-Focus 16L, is a good option, smooth slick option for a cross
Yonex Poly Tour Pro 16L, this is similar to lux.rough, has a slight texture, but its a good feel poly, not a bad option
 
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