Greater grass court player, Murray or Roddick ?

[Centre Court]

Roddick - 3 Wimbledon finals, lost all against Federer
Roddick - 5 total grass court titles , 4 Queens titles, 1 Eastbourne title
Win percentage on grass - 87/22 - 79.82%

Murray - 2 Wimbledon titles, 1 RU against Federer
Murray - 7 total grass court titles - 5 Queens club titles, 2 Wimbledon titles ( although technically 8 titles because of winning the gold medal at the London Olympics)
Win percentage on grass - 114/29 - 79.72%

Obviously Murray is ahead in everything aside from winning percentage on grass which at the moment just sneaks ahead of, but Roddick and Murray have met 4 times on grass and the had to head is 2-2, 1 victory for each player at Queens and Wimbledon. I think in terms of how Roddick played against Federer in 2009 in the final and sadly becoming eventual runner up, he performed higher than I have ever seen Murray play against Federer at Wimbledon ( with perhaps exception to the gold medal match )
In terms of how they play on grass I think they are equal but over all I prefer Roddick game, and Roddick was unfortunate to never win Wimbledon and take on the GOAT grass court player.
Murray played fantastic to defeat Djokovic but I think the Raonic final was a piece of cake for him. Who do you choose ?

 

[Phoenix1983]

Murray clearly greater, Roddick arguably better.

So be it.

 

[MasturB]

You might wanna search for the last 5 times since Murray won Wimby last year that this thread was made and had a prolonged discussion.

 

[deacsyoga]

Murray is greater by a ton. 2 Wimbledons vs 0. And an Olympic Gold on grass too, and a bunch of semi final appearances or better at Wimbledon. No contest.

Better could be debated I guess. I would probably pick Murray even there overall, but it is close. It is arguable Roddick at Wimbledon 2009 was as good or better than Murray ever was on grass.

 

[NatF]

Murray is much greater and more consistent. Roddick's best was better though IMO, his 2004 and 2009 levels are easily there and above Murray's 2013 and 2016.

 

[EdSWright]

I don't understand why there's endless adjusting of tennis' criteria. It's grand slams, ranking, titles. Pretty simple. Maybe Roddick hit better shots in his warm ups or is winning matches in an alternate universe, I don't know.

 

[Roddick85]

On paper, Murray may have gotten more Wimbledon titles, still he didn't run into Federer in any of those runs unlike Roddick. Put Federer in Murray's path and like Roddick he collects 0 titles at Wimbledon. 2004/2009 Roddick edges Murray, and he's actually done so in 2009 when he beat Murray in the SF.

 

[Terenigma]

Ok a couple of things:

- Roddick got a w/o for one of his "wins" against Murray on grass so technically speaking the H2H is 2-1 in favour of Murray
- Roddick's only "official" win over Murray on grass was in 2009 when he was in outstanding form and way before prime Murray was activated (Still went to 4 close sets)
- Murray has beaten Federer on Wimbledon grass (Olympics) and Roddick has not.
- Murray has superior stats on grass full stop.

There is no contest in my eyes. Murray is the superior player on grass and if they both played each other in prime form then Roddick would lose, people forget that Murray is the absolute worst player to play for big servers. Still undefeated by Isner or Karlovic and whilst Roddick is vastly superior in all-court skills to them, Murray would still eat him alive.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Ok a couple of things:

- Roddick got a w/o for one of his "wins" against Murray on grass so technically speaking the H2H is 2-1 in favour of Murray
- Roddick's only "official" win over Murray on grass was in 2009 when he was in outstanding form and way before prime Murray was activated (Still went to 4 close sets)
- Murray has beaten Federer on Wimbledon grass (Olympics) and Roddick has not.
- Murray has superior stats on grass full stop.

There is no contest in my eyes. Murray is the superior player on grass and if they both played each other in prime form then Roddick would lose, people forget that Murray is the absolute worst player to play for big servers. Still undefeated by Isner or Karlovic and whilst Roddick is vastly superior in all-court skills to them, Murray would still eat him alive.

Murray was in his prime. He was 22 years old and ranked No. 3 in the world.

Roddick was No. 6 and 26 years old.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

And LOL no, Murray isn't "eating Roddick alive".

An injured, post hip and foot surgery Hewitt took Roddick to 5 the round before.

 

[True Fanerer]

On paper, Murray may have gotten more Wimbledon titles, still he didn't run into Federer in any of those runs unlike Roddick. Put Federer in Murray's path and like Roddick he collects 0 titles at Wimbledon. 2004/2009 Roddick edges Murray, and he's actually done so in 2009 when he beat Murray in the SF.

Federer has played Murray at Wimbledon

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Let the Roddick @$$ kissing begin.

 

[swordtennis]

Give me a break. This love affair with Roddick around here. Murray loves players like ole rod. Djokovic had the problems with Roddick. And most of that was mental intimidation.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Obviously Murray is the greater player, but in terms of peak level I feel Roddick is ahead. He was just incredibly unlucky to draw Federer in every single final.

Federer is undefeated against Murray at Wimbledon himself, with a win in 2012 and 2015 -- the latter being a blowout.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Terenigma]

Murray was in his prime. He was 22 years old and ranked No. 3 in the world.

Roddick was No. 6 and 26 years old.

Age is irrelevant when it comes to the prime of a player. What was Ferrer doing when he was 22-25? Nothing. Yet when he turned 28 suddenly he was making QF and SF consistently. A prime is the highest level and it could happen at any age. Murray was not in his prime that year but Roddick arguably was and the match was still close. You even saying broken Hewitt managed to take him to 5 sets the match before is an argument for Roddick being better on grass?!

 

[deacsyoga]

While Roddick's win over Murray in 2009 was impressive, it is worth noting a teenaged Murray beat Roddick in 2006 as an unseeded player. And while Roddick wasnt in his best form, this is still within his prime. And 2009 is arguably the best Roddick ever played at Wimbledon, while Murray was better in 2012, 2013, 2016, and arguably 2010 than in 2009.

 

[killerboi2]

It's Murray in every possible way including top level imo. Prime Murray beat Djokovic and Fed back to back. Also convincinly beat Federer and Djokovic in best of 5 matches. I know Fed and Djoko fans would have some kind of excuse for them getting ruined (man those 2 fanbases ALWAYS have some excuse or the other). Roddick is a solid grass player but i'm tired of Fed fans overrating him.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Murray.

Roddick's peak form was arguably greater, but unfortunately to no avail.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Age is irrelevant when it comes to the prime of a player. What was Ferrer doing when he was 22-25? Nothing. Yet when he turned 28 suddenly he was making QF and SF consistently. A prime is the highest level and it could happen at any age. Murray was not in his prime that year but Roddick arguably was and the match was still close. You even saying broken Hewitt managed to take him to 5 sets the match before is an argument for Roddick being better on grass?!

Ferrer wasn't No. 3 making GS SFs and Fs losing mainly to ATGs at 22-25. Murray actually made it to No. 2 in 2009 and ended the year at No. 4. It actually sounds like Murray's 2015.

Difference between prime and peak. Murray wasn't at his peak in 2009 but certainly he was in his prime.

I was using Hewitt to illustrate that Roddick can play hard ball with speedy baseliners that have a great ROS - much is what Murray is.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

It's Murray in every possible way including top level imo. Prime Murray beat Djokovic and Fed back to back. Also convincinly beat Federer and Djokovic in best of 5 matches. I know Fed and Djoko fans would have some kind of excuse for them getting ruined (man those 2 fanbases ALWAYS have some excuse or the other). Roddick is a solid grass player but i'm tired of Fed fans overrating him.

Yee boi. Just like Rosset was great in taking out Courier that one time at the LOLympics.

 

[killerboi2]

Ferrer wasn't No. 3 making GS SFs and Fs losing mainly to ATGs at 22-25. Murray actually made it to No. 2 in 2009 and ended the year at No. 4. It actually sounds like Murray's 2015.

It's cancelled out by Murray beating Roddick in 2006 anyway.

Yee boi. Just like Rosset was great in taking out Courier that one time at the LOLympics.

When it's at Wimbledon it matters.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

It's cancelled out by Murray beating Roddick in 2006 anyway.

A year where Roddick dropped to 12 in the world and had all kinds of losses to nobodies - alright.

Guess Paes was better than Rafter because he has a better record against Sampras.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

When it's at Wimbledon it matters.

I could use your logic though and say 'cause it wasn't actually Wimbledon it doesn't matter.

 

[killerboi2]

A year where Roddick dropped to 12 in the world and had all kinds of losses to nobodies - alright.

He made US Open final and was seeded 3 lmao. Murray must of been a teenager at the time or something. If Murray in 2009 was peak then so was Roddick in 2006.

I could use your logic though and say 'cause it wasn't actually Wimbledon it doesn't matter.

Best of 5 final at Wimbledon means much more than Queens.

 

[Roddick85]

Federer has played Murray at Wimbledon

And both times he lost. Yes Murray beat him at the Olympics, but that's a different subject.

 

[Sysyphus]

The Stososov PR team has given up on making the claim that Roddick is greater, so instead they do some revisionist history to say he was nevertheless better.

 

[True Fanerer]

Murray.

Roddick's peak form was arguably greater, but unfortunately to no avail.

Theres your answer

 

[KINGROGER]

Obviously Murray, but if you reversed their ages then Murray likely would have 0 Wimbledon, Roddick 1-2.

That Olympics win was big too, although Fed clearly didn't put as much into it as Wimbledon.

Peak level there's not much in it but I'd favour 04 or 09 Roddick slightly.

 

[True Fanerer]

And both times he lost. Yes Murray beat him at the Olympics, but that's a different subject.

Why because they didnt wear all white that day?

 

[Deleted member 307496]

He made US Open final and was seeded 3 lmao. Murray must of been a teenager at the time or something. If Murray in 2009 was peak then so was Roddick in 2006.

Was ranked 5 and had crap results that half of the year. Was only top ten by virtue of his 05 Wimbledon run. Kinda showed after given he dropped to 11 after the tournament.

Best of 5 final at Wimbledon means much more than Queens.

Anything Olympics oriented is Queens level.

 

[NatF]

Both guys have 3 Wimbledon finals. One guy played Federer in all 3 and the other played Federer in just 1. It's not so obvious who was better at their best. Murray was clearly better more often hence the additional SF's - which is what ultimately matters. But anyone that can take a prime/peak Federer to 4 and 5 sets is a very good grass courter and can definitely be put in the same sentence as Murray.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Obviously Murray, but if you reversed their ages then Murray likely would have 0 Wimbledon, Roddick 1-2.

That Olympics win was big too, although Fed clearly didn't put as much into it as Wimbledon.

Peak level there's not much in it but I'd favour 04 or 09 Roddick slightly.

LOL Why stop there? Let us reverse the age of all competitors and see where we end up. Make Federer 60 when he played peak Roddick in 2009 final. Great chance to finally leave the middle of nowhere. He'd probably still mess it up.

 

[Sport]

Without hesitation, Murray.

 

[CATHERINE ALNET]

Without hésitation Federer

 

[tennis_pro]

Murray achieved more but Roddick was only stopped by Federer (4 times), just as Murary would have if he played prime Federer in all his Wimbledon finals.

 

[mike danny]

Murray is the greater grass player due to his 2 Wimb titles. Not much to be argued here.

Although Roddick was stopped 4 times by the greatest grass courter ever and someone even Murray could not beat at Wimb.

Yeah, yeah, Olympics, but Olympics is not Wimb. At the time, Murray would have certainly traded his OG medal for a Wimb title. And Fed certainly wasn't the same monster in that Olympics final that Roddick had to contend with.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Roddick was the superior grass court player with superior weapons, i.e., his massive serve. But Andy has two Wimbledon titles, so the case is closed: Murray is the greater grass court player. I don't count the Olympics and don't regard that as legacy enhancing at all.

 

[Mainad]

Roddick - 3 Wimbledon finals, lost all against Federer
Roddick - 5 total grass court titles , 4 Queens titles, 1 Eastbourne title
Win percentage on grass - 87/22 - 79.82%

Murray - 2 Wimbledon titles, 1 RU against Federer
Murray - 7 total grass court titles - 5 Queens club titles, 2 Wimbledon titles ( although technically 8 titles because of winning the gold medal at the London Olympics)
Win percentage on grass - 114/29 - 79.72%

Nothing technical about it. The 2012 Olympic final fully counts as one of Murray's 8 grasscourt titles. Why wouldn't it (check any official records you like)?

Murray is obviously the more accomplished on grass. Peak for peak I would say they are about the same.

 

[Mainad]

Murray is the greater grass player due to his 2 Wimb titles. Not much to be argued here.

Although Roddick was stopped 4 times by the greatest grass courter ever and someone even Murray could not beat at Wimb.

Yeah, yeah, Olympics, but Olympics is not Wimb. At the time, Murray would have certainly traded his OG medal for a Wimb title. And Fed certainly wasn't the same monster in that Olympics final that Roddick had to contend with.

Probably not but was 2009 Fed really a monster in that Wimby final? Frankly I thought he was beatable and Roddick had a great chance to beat him and maybe should have done so.

 

[JMR]

On paper, Murray may have gotten more Wimbledon titles, still he didn't run into Federer in any of those runs unlike Roddick. Put Federer in Murray's path and like Roddick he collects 0 titles at Wimbledon. 2004/2009 Roddick edges Murray, and he's actually done so in 2009 when he beat Murray in the SF.

"On paper"? "May have"?

I don't see the point of a discussion of greatness in which hard facts like tournament titles can be pushed into the background in favor of hypothetical results of matches that didn't occur.

 

[NatF]

Probably not but was 2009 Fed really a monster in that Wimby final? Frankly I thought he was beatable and Roddick had a great chance to beat him and maybe should have done so.

He was far better than he was in the 2012 Olympics final, that's one of the worst grass matches I've seen from Federer - no probably about it. In the 2009 Wimbledon final Federer was still very good, slightly worse than 2007-2008 but in the same ballpark, a step down from 03-06 which were his best years IMO. It's still the one slam final I'd be happy with going to someone else.

Murray made Federer play his best tennis in the 2012 Wimbledon final in order to win, a month later on the same court Federer couldn't raise his level and was soundly smashed.

 

[killerboi2]

He was far better than he was in the 2012 Olympics final, that's one of the worst grass matches I've seen from Federer

Do you think Roddick could destroy even a sub par Federer in best of 5? Or beat Djokovic and Federer back to back on grass? I question whether he could. The guy is not a big match player at all. As far as i'm concerned, his best slam result is against Murray in 2009.

 

[mike danny]

Do you think Roddick could destroy even a sub par Federer in best of 5? Or beat Djokovic and Federer back to back on grass? I question whether he could. The guy is not a big match player at all. As far as i'm concerned, his best slam result is against Murray in 2009.

Well, Roddick did beat Djokovic and Nadal back to back on HC, so who knows.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[TheAverageFedererFan]

Lets see...
Murray won 2 Wimbledon's': Roddick won no Wimbledon
Murray lost in 1 Wimbledon final: Roddick lost in 3 Wimbledon Finals
Murray lost in 4 Wimbledon Semifinals: Roddick lost in 1 Wimbledon Semifinal
They both have the same amount of Wimbledon finals, and Murray has more Semifinals. Murray is better at Wimbledon.
Also Murray won the Olympics 2012 on Wimbledon Turf. So that could be considered like a mini Wimbledon. (Note only final was Best of 5)
Murray won 5 Queens Titles for a Total 8 Grass Court Titles: Roddick won a total of 5 Grass Court Titles (4 at Queens and 1 at Eastbourne)

Murray beat Djokovic and Raonic in his 2013 and 2016 finals respectively.
He beat Federer in the Olympic 2012 Grass Final.
He lost to Federer in the 2012 Wimbledon Final (The Grass GOAT)
He lost in the Semfinals in 2008 and 2011 to Nadal: In 2009 to Roddick: In 2015 to Roger

Roddick lost to Federer in all of his Wimbledon Finals and Semifinals

Murray wins in terms of Titles and Overall Performance.

 

[KINGROGER]

LOL Why stop there? Let us reverse the age of all competitors and see where we end up. Make Federer 60 when he played peak Roddick in 2009 final. Great chance to finally leave the middle of nowhere. He'd probably still mess it up.

I believe strength of competition has to be taken into account. Roddick would have loved to play 2013 Djokovic or Raonic in a Wimbledon final.

However Murray is still the more accomplished grass courter, and 2nd only to Federer since 2000 IMO.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Murray's W-L record on grass is 106-19(84.8%) so not sure where the OP got his stats from.

And the answer is obviously AM. He's the greater player, the better player and the greater human being.

That is all.

 

[NatF]

Murray's W-L record on grass is 106-19(84.8%) so not sure where the OP got his stats from.

And the answer is obviously AM. He's the greater player, the better player and the greater human being.

That is all.

Arod would never pull the stunt Murray did with his withdrawal

 

[Djokovic2011]

Arod would never pull the stunt Murray did with his withdrawal

And Muzz would never trash talk his fellow competitors or hold them up against a changing room locker.