Greater: Murray or Roddick + Hewitt?

Murray or Roddick + Hewitt

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Lew II

Lew II

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Murray vs Roddick + Hewitt comparison:

Slam titles: 3-3
Slam finals: 11-9
Slam semifinals: 21-18
YEC: 1-2
Olympics Golds: 2-0
Masters: 14-7
500s: 9-7
250s: 17-43
Weeks #1: 41-93
Years #1: 1-3

Who's greater?
 
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Lol some people might come charging at you. Murray is greater in virtue of numbers and achievements to answer the question.
 
Lew II said:
At 500 level Murray leads 9-7.

Roddick and Hewitt lead only at the lowest level of ATP tournaments (250) by 43 to 17.

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Queens was a 500 title for a couple of Murray wins but always a 250 for Hewitt and Roddick.

Anyway, much more time at #1 swings it for me.
 
You can only meet Murray once in a tournament, but you can meet Hewitt and Roddick. If that's baked in...

Murray as a soloist is clearly "greater" than the other two.
 
Lew II said:
Murray vs Roddick + Hewitt comparison:

Slam titles: 3-3
Slam finals: 11-9
Slam semifinals: 21-18
YEC: 1-2
Olympics Golds: 2-0
Masters: 14-7
500s: 9-7
250s: 17-43
Weeks #1: 41-93
Years #1: 1-3

Who's greater?
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Murray leads the H2H with both 9-3 combined i think as well.
 
TearTheRoofOff said:
Close call, really.

As opposition though, it's worth considering that it's two potential hurdles and very different playstyles to overcome rather than one.
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What if we combine Murray with Federer, Nadal or Wawrinka?

They would all be much greater duos than Roddick+Hewitt.
 
I think I'd probably, possibly, maybe take Hewitt over Murray, but probably not Roddick? I think if Hewitt had the majority of his prime years in this homogenized era rather than having to contend through it with double hip surgery he'd have loved it, and been more than Murray's match.

If both Roddick and Hewitt were young enough to vulture titles when the big 3 start falling apart I'm sure they'd probably have as many/more titles as Sir Andy too.
 
Lew II said:
Check the title.
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Sorry, Lew. I meant what is it really about?
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ibbi said:
I think I'd probably, possibly, maybe take Hewitt over Murray, but probably not Roddick? I think if Hewitt had the majority of his prime years in this homogenized era rather than having to contend through it with double hip surgery he'd have loved it, and been more than Murray's match.

If both Roddick and Hewitt were young enough to vulture titles when the big 3 start falling apart I'm sure they'd probably have as many/more titles as Sir Andy too.
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They do have more titles than Murray: 250s. Hard to vulture titles when you beat the big 3 to win them.
 
ibbi said:
I think I'd probably, possibly, maybe take Hewitt over Murray, but probably not Roddick? I think if Hewitt had the majority of his prime years in this homogenized era rather than having to contend through it with double hip surgery he'd have loved it, and been more than Murray's match.

If both Roddick and Hewitt were young enough to vulture titles when the big 3 start falling apart I'm sure they'd probably have as many/more titles as Sir Andy too.
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Big Titles won beating Big3:

Murray 13
Roddick 2
Hewitt 1
 
Murray easily. Hewitt was basically David Ferrer who got lucky in a transition era for a couple of years. Roddick's net rushes still give me nightmares. Murray was a complete player, although he was a level below big 3, mainly due to his weaker FH and second serve.
 
zep said:
Murray easily. Hewitt was basically David Ferrer who got lucky in a transition era for a couple of years. Roddick's net rushes still give me nightmares. Murray was a complete player, although he was a level below big 3, mainly due to his weaker FH and second serve.
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Lol. Tell NatF this.
 
ibbi said:
I think I'd probably, possibly, maybe take Hewitt over Murray, but probably not Roddick? I think if Hewitt had the majority of his prime years in this homogenized era rather than having to contend through it with double hip surgery he'd have loved it, and been more than Murray's match.

If both Roddick and Hewitt were young enough to vulture titles when the big 3 start falling apart I'm sure they'd probably have as many/more titles as Sir Andy too.
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Murray is greater than both IMO. But if your talking peak level off clay then it’s worth a debate.
 
Close call. Murray won more big titles but Hewdick were better against the competition (which in 2002 was much weaker than the height of Fedalovic). I'll take Murray by the smallest of margins.

Mury GOAT
 
NatF said:
Even without the time at number one up until age 25 and Hewitt's first surgeries his career stats were very comparable to Murray's. Not going to waste time seriously comparing him to someone from his own generation that didn't achieve a fifth of what he did...
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I think Hewitt was a better player off clay than Ferrer. Even though Ferrer did peak in a stronger period imo.
Hewitt was unlucky due to injury problems but imo but in his 4 best years he still didn’t have as good stats as Murray. Peak level play is far closer imo.
 
King No1e said:
Close call. Murray won more big titles but Hewdick were better against the competition (which in 2002 was much weaker than the height of Fedalovic). I'll take Murray by the smallest of margins.

Mury GOAT
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Not even close.. 20 big titles vs 12, 12 big titles against 3 ATGs vs 1 renders any debate superfluous. Murray by a hefty margin.
 
ReeceSachs said:
I think Hewitt was a better player off clay than Ferrer. Even though Ferrer did peak in a stronger period imo.
Hewitt was unlucky due to injury but imo but in his 4 best years he still didn’t have as good stats as Murray. Peak level play is far closer imo.
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Up to their first surgeries I don't see how Murray is clearly ahead? I guess masters titles? But Hewitt was raised in an era where they weren't mandatory...
 
Murray is greater than Roddick and Hewitt combined.

In term of peak level I have Roddick over Murray at Wimbledon and possibly Us Open. Peak Murray is also lesser than Peak Hewitt on Indoor.
 
Lew II said:
What if we combine Murray with Federer, Nadal or Wawrinka?

They would all be much greater duos than Roddick+Hewitt.
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Indeed. But then there's the can of worms that is level of play at specific times in specific matches, matchups, injuries, form, other opposition etc., that play a big role.
 
Sabrina said:
Murray is greater than Roddick and Hewitt combined.

In term of peak level I have Roddick over Murray at Wimbledon and possibly Us Open. Peak Murray is also lesser than Peak Hewitt on Indoor.
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Murray at AO and RG over Roddick and Hewitt
Roddick at USO and Hewitt at USO over Murray
Wimbeldon is tight.
 
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NatF said:
Up to their first surgeries I don't see how Murray is clearly ahead? I guess masters titles? But Hewitt was raised in an era where they weren't mandatory...
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It you change it a cut off point then I agree it is masters. If you take peak years 2001-2002 and 2004-2005 to 2012-2013/2015-2016 the difference is wider. If Masters were more mandatory then Hewitt would still have to play Federer in 04-05 he could have won more in 01-02 I think.
 
ReeceSachs said:
It you change it a cut off point then I agree it is masters. If you take peak years 2001-2002 and 2004-2005 to 2012-2013/2015-2016 the difference is wider. If Masters were more mandatory then Hewitt would still have to play Federer in 04-05 he could have won more in 01-02 I think.
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Sure. The biggest difference is 2016 IMO. Essentially in 01-02 Hewitt was just 20-21 and didn't have the consistency of himself in 04-05 to clean up - where as Murray broke through in a tougher period but was better placed to take advantage of a half year period in 2016 with no Big 3.
 
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