Greater: Murray or Roddick + Hewitt?
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Third Serve
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I’ll take Murray.
RS
Bionic Poster
Read Lew comment post 55. Then come back lol.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, never mind. You are now “a kind” of a evil. Lew has ascended (or descended) into a special kind of evil.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
That is really tasteless.
NatF
Bionic Poster
lol
Did the height of the top 20 shoot up in 2006?
Also you know Hewitt is 6-5 up on Del Potro, Wawrinka and Cilic in h2h...
Besides that it's hard to tell how tall someone is in photo's due to perspective. Hewitt wasn't a tall guy for a tennis player but I don't see how that proves anything.
mike danny
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RS
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Just think about 2003 and 2016 and you will feel better.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Well now that Sabratha has been perma banned (good riddance 
), we can have this conversation without him telling us that he's going to sacrifice our firstborn sons 
IMO the answer is Roddick + Hewitt > than Andeh. I think it's tougher to go through multiple good players than going through 1. With that being said, MurrayGOAT > than either of those guys individually.
), we can have this conversation without him telling us that he's going to sacrifice our firstborn sons IMO the answer is Roddick + Hewitt > than Andeh. I think it's tougher to go through multiple good players than going through 1. With that being said, MurrayGOAT > than either of those guys individually.
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RS
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Sab asked for his account to be deleted don’t think he got a perma ban.Well now that Sabratha has been perma banned (good ridence
IMO the answer is Roddick + Hewitt > than Andeh. I think it's tougher to go through multiple good players than going through 1. With that being said, MurrayGOAT > than either of those guys individually.
Poisoned Slice
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beard
Legend
No, it is well known fact that doesn't need any more proof...
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Well now that Sabratha has been perma banned (good riddance
IMO the answer is Roddick + Hewitt > than Andeh. I think it's tougher to go through multiple good players than going through 1. With that being said, MurrayGOAT > than either of those guys individually.
In what possible way?
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
I disagree and it's not even what I asked.Well now that Sabratha has been perma banned (good riddance
IMO the answer is Roddick + Hewitt > than Andeh. I think it's tougher to go through multiple good players than going through 1. With that being said, MurrayGOAT > than either of those guys individually.
I asked who's greater, not who's tougher to beat.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Don't underestimate 250's. Davydenko's Doha 2010 win was better than many masters 1000.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
That was a very good tournament win. I'm not devaluing them btw. I'm just saying those are the only titles they have more than Murray.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
What are Roddick's and Hewitt's great 250 titles then?
NatF
Bionic Poster
Well most of their Queen's titles are pretty great - especially Hewitt's. Hewitt's got a win over a good Fed in Halle in the final too which elevates it somewhat, although was nothing to write home about otherwise. His 2000 Scottsdale win saw him beating Rios, Ferrero and Henman - not a bad draw at all. Hewitt's San Jose win in 2002 had one of the best BO3 set finals I've seen against Agassi - so for someone that cares more about one big name than anything else that should count for you...Brisbane in 2014 had him beating Nishikori and Federer. Rottadam 2004 was a 500 series but his draw then was Gonzalez, Johansson, Scheuttler, Henman and Ferrero literally 5 rounds of guys who were top 10 at one time or another so that was a great win IMO.
So yeah, more than a few great ones for Hewitt.
Might look for Arod later but I'd say at least his first two Queen's titles off the top of my head.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Murray easily...
Murray did it in the time of Rafa, Federer and Djokovic. Hewitt and Roddick mainly took advantage of a nice void between Sampras and Federer.
Murray did it in the time of Rafa, Federer and Djokovic. Hewitt and Roddick mainly took advantage of a nice void between Sampras and Federer.
killerboss
Professional
Good thing Sabratha isn't here lmao (he was pretty touchy about the subject). Even against both, it's still Murray. Winning head to head against both combined, more m1000s, more slam consistency, better big 3 head to head.
This is where the 2 vs 1 element really shines through. Both together also have more titles than Agassi.
This is where the 2 vs 1 element really shines through. Both together also have more titles than Agassi.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Hewitt beat 13 top10 to win 22 titles.
Roddick beat 1 top10 to win 21 titles.
Hewitt's 250s were good, Roddick's 250s were weak.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Average ranking lol.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
Oh sorry, I forgot the eye test says Roddick's 250s are better than Murray's Slams.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Strawman. Not saying that at all.
Average ranking is a garbage way to rate tournaments though...
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
The participation rate from UltimateTennisStatistics measures how many top players took part to a tournament.
> 90% participation rate tournaments won --> Murray 7, Hewitt 3, Roddick 1
> 80% --> Murray 16, Roddick 6, Hewitt 5
> 70% --> Murray 19, Roddick 6, Hewitt 6
> 60% --> Murray 19, Roddick 7, Hewitt 6
> 50% --> Murray 25, Hewitt 10, Roddick 7
> 40% --> Murray 32, Hewitt 14, Roddick 10
> 30% --> Murray 36, Hewitt 17, Roddick 14
< 30% --> Roddick 18, Hewitt 13, Murray 10
The Roddick+Hewitt duo leads Murray only in titles of tournaments with a participation rate lower than 30%.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Just because the participation is high doesn't mean the draw ends up being tough, participation is about the field - no doubt Murray has won more events with the full or closer to the full field. That should go without saying considering his masters exploits. Also like I said I don't think average ranking is a good metric for draw strength.
BTW I'm not claiming that all of Arod or Hewitt's 250 or 500 titles were great wins, only that some of them were - likewise Murray has some great wins in his 250 and 500 quota as well. My point was I don't think title count is meaningless, even if a lot of them are smaller titles. There can often be good matches even at that level and the bigger tournaments don't always live up to the hype.
Nadal_Django
Legend
Everytime someone compares the legend and an ATG like Murray with the likes of Roodick and Hewitt, one small cute puppy dies somewhere around the world. 
Jeez, the blasphemy.
Jeez, the blasphemy.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
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