Greater YEC player: Djokovic vs Federer

[Enceladus]

Both have 6 titles, sharing the YEC record. Both have won the YEC at three different venues, both players gained YEC titles in Shanghai and London, Fed in Houston and Nole in Turin. Who is the bigger player in this event now? Djoker can boast a streak of 4 titles from 2012-2015, which no one else in YEC history could do, Fed couldn't even complete a hat trick. Fed, on the other hand, has more final appearances - 10, Djoker 8, and with one exception (2008) he advanced from the group in all of his appearances. Their mutual H2H on YEC is tied 3-3.

 

[tennis_error]

Novak, simply because he's a better and more complete player, proved. Federer is right there on this tournament. Hope Novak will seal the deal next years winning one more...

 

[maratha_warrior]

Both are equal .

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Federer. All time it’s

1. Sampras
2. Becker
3. Federer
4. Lendl
5. McEnroe
6. Djokovic

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Looking at the list of players defeated, easily Federer.

Finals alone we have:
Djokovic:
2008: Davydenko
2012: Federer
2013: Nadal
2014: Walkover
2015: Federer
2022: Ruud

Federer:
2003: Agassi
2004: Hewitt
2006: Blake
2007: Ferrer
2010: Nadal
2011: Tsonga

Federer went 5-0 in 5 of his 6 WTF titles. (2007) Loss to Gonzales
Djokovic went 5-0 in 4 of his 6 WTF titles. (2008 & 2015). Losses to Tsonga & Federer)

Players defeated in their most recent WTF Title:

Djokovic 2022:
Rublev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Fritz, Ruud

Federer 2011:
Nadal (bagelled), Tsonga, Fish, Ferrer, Tsonga

Just Federer all the way.

 

[thrust]

Looking at the list of players defeated, easily Federer.

Finals alone we have:
Djokovic:
2008: Davydenko
2012: Federer
2013: Nadal
2014: Walkover
2015: Federer
2022: Ruud

Federer:
2003: Agassi
2004: Hewitt
2006: Blake
2007: Ferrer
2010: Nadal
2011: Tsonga

Federer went 5-0 in 5 of his 6 WTF titles. (2007) Loss to Gonzales
Djokovic went 5-0 in 4 of his 6 WTF titles. (2008 & 2015). Losses to Tsonga & Federer)

Players defeated in their most recent WTF Title:

Djokovic 2022:
Rublev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Fritz, Ruud

Federer 2011:
Nadal (bagelled), Tsonga, Fish, Ferrer, Tsonga

Just Federer all the way.

NONSENSE! Overall Novak beat tougher competition, including Federer in two finals, than Roger has.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

For now it's Federer imho! But that's subject to change...

 

[Biotic]

Djokovic won 5 in his prime or pre prime in a strong era, Federer only 4.

Fred's post prime deplorable hoarding can't make him better or greater, agreed upon by all true connoisseurs of morality.

 

[D.Nalby12]

Peak to peak Federer beats Djokovic indoors
He was monster indoors back in 2005-06.

 

[NatF]

NONSENSE! Overall Novak beat tougher competition, including Federer in two finals, than Roger has.

It was technically one final. You're not qualified to talk about competition sadly

 

[ChrisRF]

Federer. All time it’s

1. Sampras
2. Becker
3. Federer
4. Lendl
5. McEnroe
6. Djokovic

Yeah, of course. Sampras and Becker, who both NEVER won this tournament undefeated and have overall less (or equal) titles than Federer, Djokovic and Lendl, are both above all of them.

 

[Enceladus]

It was technically one final. You're not qualified to talk about competition sadly

What are you talking about? Nole beat Fed in the 2012 and 2015 finals.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Looking at the list of players defeated, easily Federer.

Finals alone we have:
Djokovic:
2008: Davydenko
2012: Federer
2013: Nadal
2014: Walkover
2015: Federer
2022: Ruud

Federer:
2003: Agassi
2004: Hewitt
2006: Blake
2007: Ferrer
2010: Nadal
2011: Tsonga

Federer went 5-0 in 5 of his 6 WTF titles. (2007) Loss to Gonzales
Djokovic went 5-0 in 4 of his 6 WTF titles. (2008 & 2015). Losses to Tsonga & Federer)

Players defeated in their most recent WTF Title:

Djokovic 2022:
Rublev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Fritz, Ruud

Federer 2011:
Nadal (bagelled), Tsonga, Fish, Ferrer, Tsonga

Just Federer all the way.

Where exactly do you read out of the lists you posted, that Federer “easily” had the tougher opponents? Djokovic beat Federer twice for a start. Your “players defeated in their most recent title” is a completely arbitrary metric, you could as well mention players defeated in any other edition they won. Your hate for Djokovic prevents you from being objective here.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Yeah, of course. Sampras and Becker, who both NEVER won this tournament undefeated and have overall less (or equal) titles than Federer, Djokovic and Lendl, are both above all of them.

Well maybe if we are talking peak level. Since the thread says “greater player” it is of course bs to say that Sampras or let alone Becker are ahead of Fedovic (or even Lendl).

 

[Hitman]

I am using the same rule I use in the slams, that when the slam count is equal, then the player with more finals has the edge.

Both are as great as each other at YEC now, just that Federer is a fractionally better performer there due to the additional finals....and in YEC having finals mean a lot, because you are getting to the finals by beating top 10 players only, no easy draws.

 

[Tennfan123]

Djokovic beat a well past his best Federer in those finals.
Djokovic was nowhere to be seen while Federer was in his prime. 2008 was a good one for him because Federer wasn't in the final.

 

[RS]

Doesn't matter. Both great champions.

Does everything need to be proving one is better than the other?

 

[NatF]

What are you talking about? Nole beat Fed in the 2012 and 2015 finals.

The real final was in the RR.

 

[Third Serve]

Fed by a healthy margin still, even if we limit this argument to just the numbers.

 

[Kralingen]

Doesn't matter. Both great champions.

Does everything need to be proving one is better than the other?

 

[Kralingen]

There is a better argument that Djokovic isn’t even Top 5 indoors all time than him being better than Federer indoors

 

[abmk]

Federer clearly.
Clearly Higher level, better %/consistency,more finals .

 

[ND-13]

RF has the better records and had the last laugh 6-4, 6-4.

 

[tennis_error]

Looking at the list of players defeated, easily Federer.

Finals alone we have:
Djokovic:
2008: Davydenko
2012: Federer
2013: Nadal
2014: Walkover
2015: Federer
2022: Ruud

Federer:
2003: Agassi
2004: Hewitt
2006: Blake
2007: Ferrer
2010: Nadal
2011: Tsonga

Federer went 5-0 in 5 of his 6 WTF titles. (2007) Loss to Gonzales
Djokovic went 5-0 in 4 of his 6 WTF titles. (2008 & 2015). Losses to Tsonga & Federer)

Players defeated in their most recent WTF Title:

Djokovic 2022:
Rublev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Fritz, Ruud

Federer 2011:
Nadal (bagelled), Tsonga, Fish, Ferrer, Tsonga

Just Federer all the way.

This is insane, and I mean INSANE post... She says Fed had tougher competition and lists finals where Novak had overwhelmingly tougher competition... Or is she just trolling?

 

[Aussie Darcy]

This is insane, and I mean INSANE post... She says Fed had tougher competition and lists finals where Novak had overwhelmingly tougher competition... Or is she just trolling?

Yes Walkover and Ruud and Davydenko are so much tougher than Agassi and Nadal. I mean how could he even defeat Walkover? That is SO BRUTAL. Defeating walkover, so tough.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Yeah, of course. Sampras and Becker, who both NEVER won this tournament undefeated and have overall less (or equal) titles than Federer, Djokovic and Lendl, are both above all of them.

The numbers are all close enough. Tennis to people like you is all about numbers on a screen and to you whoever has the most numbers is the best.

But to real tennis fans like me tennis is more than numbers on a screen. Becker kicks Djokovic Lendl and Federer prime for prime at YEC.

 

[Mainad]

Yes Walkover and Ruud and Davydenko are so much tougher than Agassi and Nadal. I mean how could he even defeat Walkover? That is SO BRUTAL. Defeating walkover, so tough.

Well, if Walkover didn't want to play that's not Novak's fault is it?

 

[RS]

The numbers are all close enough. Tennis to people like you is all about numbers on a screen and to you whoever has the most numbers is the best.

But to real tennis fans like me tennis is more than numbers on a screen. Becker kicks Djokovic Lendl and Federer prime for prime at YEC.

Exho 2007 Fed vs Pete what it tells us?

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Exho 2007 Fed vs Pete what it tells us?

I agree with GOAT tennis journalist Steve Flink’s opinion on it. You probs don’t know who that even is.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Both have 6 titles, sharing the YEC record. Both have won the YEC at three different venues, both players gained YEC titles in Shanghai and London, Fed in Houston and Nole in Turin. Who is the bigger player in this event now? Djoker can boast a streak of 4 titles from 2012-2015, which no one else in YEC history could do, Fed couldn't even complete a hat trick. Fed, on the other hand, has more final appearances - 10, Djoker 8, and with one exception (2008) he advanced from the group in all of his appearances. Their mutual H2H on YEC is tied 3-3.

Federer.
There's a difference between facing 2012-14-15 Djokovic & facing Zverev-Thiem-Ruud.

 

[RS]

I agree with GOAT tennis journalist Steve Flink’s opinion on it. You probs don’t know who that even is.

I know who he is. But what did he say?

 

[RaulRamirez]

Well, if Walkover didn't want to play that's not Novak's fault is it?

Fed's most brilliant move, losing by a walkover accomplished (at least) each of the following:

1. ducked a probable loss to Novak
2. preserved energy for Davis Cup
3. proved how important the ATP Finals are
4. enabled him to win future debates on TTW by extremely logical posters
5. ...(In truth, I don't know --it's very close.)

 

[RaulRamirez]

Looking at the list of players defeated, easily Federer.

Finals alone we have:
Djokovic:
2008: Davydenko
2012: Federer
2013: Nadal
2014: Walkover
2015: Federer
2022: Ruud

Federer:
2003: Agassi
2004: Hewitt
2006: Blake
2007: Ferrer
2010: Nadal
2011: Tsonga

Federer went 5-0 in 5 of his 6 WTF titles. (2007) Loss to Gonzales
Djokovic went 5-0 in 4 of his 6 WTF titles. (2008 & 2015). Losses to Tsonga & Federer)

Players defeated in their most recent WTF Title:

Djokovic 2022:
Rublev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Fritz, Ruud

Federer 2011:
Nadal (bagelled), Tsonga, Fish, Ferrer, Tsonga

Just Federer all the way.

I don't care that much, as it's about even for me.
Now, there may be a case for Federer, but this ain't it.

 

[Mainad]

Fed's most brilliant move, losing by a walkover accomplished (at least) each of the following:

1. ducked a probable loss to Novak
2. preserved energy for Davis Cup
3. proved how important the ATP Finals are
4. enabled him to win future debates on TTW by extremely logical posters
5. ...(In truth, I don't know --it's very close.)

I suspect points 1 & 2 are the salient factors here.

 

[abmk]

NONSENSE! Overall Novak beat tougher competition, including Federer in two finals, than Roger has.

Firstly both Federer and Djokovic have beaten each other 3 times at the YEC, inspite of fed being physically disadvantaged 5 of the 6 times and other one being neutral (2010)

Maybe get ABCs right before proclaiming your opinions "nonsense" with a drum.

Oh and Federer had better competition at the YEC with Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Nalby etc.
Even Nadal played better vs Fed in 06/10 than in 13/15 vs djoko.

 

[abmk]

Fed's most brilliant move, losing by a walkover accomplished (at least) each of the following:

1. ducked a probable loss to Novak
2. preserved energy for Davis Cup
3. proved how important the ATP Finals are
4. enabled him to win future debates on TTW by extremely logical posters
5. ...(In truth, I don't know --it's very close.)

I suspect points 1 & 2 are the salient factors here.

or maybe, just maybe if you actually watched, you'd see Fed got injured towards ending stages of 3rd set vs Wawa in the semi and hence couldn't play the final.
Even the first DC match vs Monfils, Fed wasn't recovered fully and lost badly. Losing to Monfils is not something alarming per se, but Fed got beaten badly.

 

[abmk]

There is a better argument that Djokovic isn’t even Top 5 indoors all time than him being better than Federer indoors

Federer, Sampras, Becker, Lendl, Mac.
All better than Djokovic indoors. Yes.

 

[abmk]

Doesn't matter. Both great champions.

Does everything need to be proving one is better than the other?

 

[RaulRamirez]

or maybe, just maybe if you actually watched, you'd see Fed got injured towards ending stages of 3rd set vs Wawa in the semi and hence couldn't play the final.
Even the first DC match vs Monfils, Fed wasn't recovered fully and lost badly. Losing to Monfils is not something alarming per se, but Fed got beaten badly.

My post was a bit irreverent there (directed at who Mainad was replying to) but I would say this (mostly agreeing with you).

Roger deserves the benefit of the doubt, as his record of always showing up and never defaulting is truly impressive.
I also don't think players of that high calibre and competitiveness duck anybody. The timing, though, and favoring Davis Cup fitness over winning in the final (even if not 100%), does cast a bit of a dampener on the ATP Finals.

 

[TMF]

Federer. It's not even a question.

Sampras is even better than Djokovic

 

[tennis_error]

Yes Walkover and Ruud and Davydenko are so much tougher than Agassi and Nadal. I mean how could he even defeat Walkover? That is SO BRUTAL. Defeating walkover, so tough.

Walkover? Sweater case? Most famous chickening in the history of the game? LOL...
Yet, you call chicken WTF goat... Another LOL...

 

[abmk]

My post was a bit irreverent there (directed at who Mainad was replying to) but I would say this (mostly agreeing with you).

Roger deserves the benefit of the doubt, as his record of always showing up and never defaulting is truly impressive.
I also don't think players of that high calibre and competitiveness duck anybody. The timing, though, and favoring Davis Cup fitness over winning in the final (even if not 100%), does cast a bit of a dampener on the ATP Finals.

DC was like 4 days later and he got beaten by Monfils - not being 100%.
I'm sure if Fed could, he'd have played the YEC final.

 

[TMF]

When ********* create crappy threads, you know TTW sink to another new low

 

[Mainad]

or maybe, just maybe if you actually watched, you'd see Fed got injured towards ending stages of 3rd set vs Wawa in the semi and hence couldn't play the final.
Even the first DC match vs Monfils, Fed wasn't recovered fully and lost badly. Losing to Monfils is not something alarming per se, but Fed got beaten badly.

I did watch the match and didn't notice Fed sustain an injury (he still won it) which doesn't mean he didn't of course. My impression was that he wanted to make sure he was fully fit for the Davis Cup final the following week and I wasn't the only one. Many others seemed surprised by his withdrawal and drew the same conclusion.

 

[TMF]

I did watch the match and didn't notice Fed sustain an injury (he still won it) which doesn't mean he didn't of course. My impression was that he wanted to make sure he was fully fit for the Davis Cup final the following week and I wasn't the only one. Many others seemed surprised by his withdrawal and drew the same conclusion.

At TTW, Federer is never injured in his life.

He's a human cyborg

 

[abmk]

I did watch the match and didn't notice Fed sustain an injury (he still won it) which doesn't mean he didn't of course. My impression was that he wanted to make sure he was fully fit for the Davis Cup final the following week and I wasn't the only one. Many others seemed surprised by his withdrawal and drew the same conclusion.

you didn't pay 100% attention then.
my statement stands. If Fed hadn't recovered enough that he got beat badly by Monfils 4-5 days later in DC, how could Fed have played the YEC final the next day?
If he could have, Fed would've played the YEC final.

 

[StannisTheMannis]

Look at the tiny desperate threads federer fans have to cling to nowadays

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Federer. All time it’s

1. Sampras
2. Becker
3. Federer
4. Lendl
5. McEnroe
6. Djokovic

1.Federer
2.Djokovic
3.Sampras
4.Lendl
5.McEnroe
6.Becker
Here...now it is fixed!...

 

[TMF]

Look at the tiny desperate threads federer fans have to cling to nowadays

The OP is not a Federer fan, but a Djokobotic fanboy

 

[Rosstour]

Yeah, of course. Sampras and Becker, who both NEVER won this tournament undefeated and have overall less (or equal) titles than Federer, Djokovic and Lendl, are both above all of them.

The 90s overraters are the worst of TTW