Greater YEC player: Djokovic vs Federer

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You completely missed the point. Whatever era we're in today and whatever era may come in the future, 03-07 will always remain weak af.

How so? We had an up-and-coming Nadal and Djokovic who would beat current Djokodal, a still formidable Agassi who would also dominate today's tour, Safin, Nalbandian, Roddick, Davydenko, etc. Again, all players who would wipe the field of today.

The only reason it may have looked "weak" to you is because the most talented player of all time was at his peak then. Maybe you weren't alive then to witness it? If so, I might understand the confusion

 

[Biotic]

How so? We had an up-and-coming Nadal and Djokovic who would beat current Djokodal, a still formidable Agassi who would also dominate today's tour, Safin, Nalbandian, Roddick, Davydenko, etc. Again, all players who would wipe the field of today.

The only reason it may have looked "weak" to you is because the most talented player of all time was at his peak then. Maybe you weren't alive then to witness it? If so, I might understand the confusion

It's all good, I watched those dud clown NOBODIES from the first row.

Your post is exactly what i had in mind when i said revisionism.

 

[initialize]

It's all good, I watched those dud clown NOBODIES from the first row.

Imagine thinking a pro tennis player is a nobody while you sit from the stands completely invisible to them as if you don't exist

 

[NatF]

The irony of Novak fans talking about weak eras

 

[RS]

Asterisk

 

[mike danny]

Also like I said the 2019 RR match resulted in Djoko not getting YE#1. So that is significant.

It's baffling how people don't consider this one since it was established that the winner of this RR match was going to advance? It was very much a knockout match.

 

[mike danny]

Murray at his top? wut?
Murray's best YECs were 2008, 2010 and 2016 in chronological order. not 2013-15. Murray was decent enough in 12, but only 4th best year there for him. Murray was absent in 13, bad in 14 (got smashed), well below par in 15.

berdych, cilic, wawa were sh*te in YEC 14 RR. as was the RR on the other side (for fed fed). both fed and djoko broke records of least # of games lost in RR.
Nishi played well for about one set in the semi, but got absolutely smashed in the other 2. that's about it. no final played. That's as weak a YEC as it gets competition-wise. Only thing that saved that YEC was the fed-wawa semi where wawa actually played well and fed was below his best to make it a thriller.

berdych was below par in YEC 12/15 as well.
berdych has never made semi of the YEC after 11.
Cilic has never made semi of the YEC.
they are not even half-decent competition at YEC from 12-15.

nadal of YEC 06 > nadal of YEC 13 (especially the respective matches vs fed/djoko)
nadal of YEC 07 > nadal of YEC 15

(and this is not even counting Nadal of YEC 10 when fed won)

decent enough opponents faced for the 4 years each:

Agassi 03 RR
Roddick 03
Agassi 03 final
Hewitt 04 RR
Moya 04
Safin 04
Hewitt 04 F
Nalby 06
Roddick 06
Nadal 06
Blake 06
Gonzo 07
Nadal 07
Ferrer 07

(arguably Ljubicic of 06, davy of 07 as well)

djoko:

Murray 12
delpo 12
fed 12
delpo 13
fed 13
nadal 13
fed 15 RR
fed 15 final
(ok, maybe Gasquet in 13, but I didn't watch that match and you could argue Nishi YEC 14 semi and Wawa of YEC 13 semi)

2005 fed of course had nalby/ljubicic in RR and nalby in the final.

fed's competition beats djoko's handily. its not even close.


As far level goes:

fed YEC 03-04/06-07 > fed YEC 10 >~ djoko YEC 14/YEC 15 > djoko YEC 12/13.
djoko's best 2 is at best equal to fed's 5th best at the YEC. fed's top 4 clearly above (esp considering peak level - SF/F).

Fed won 19/19 sets in the YEC 03-04/06-07 SF/F including vs Agassi, Safin, Hewitt, Nadal, Roddick
Djoko won 14/16 sets in YEC 12-15 SF/F. Excellent, but still not at fed's level

Cilic is a joke at the YEC, can't believe people even consider him. Only won 1 single match in his entire career there.

 

[intrepidish]

If this is about the highest level of play, it's Roger and it's not even particularly close.

 

[Third Serve]

It's baffling how people don't consider this one since it was established that the winner of this RR match was going to advance? It was very much a knockout match.

It does raise an interesting point, that not all round robin matches are created equal.

 

[Hitman]

I am using the same rule I use in the slams, that when the slam count is equal, then the player with more finals has the edge.

Both are as great as each other at YEC now, just that Federer is a fractionally better performer there due to the additional finals....and in YEC having finals mean a lot, because you are getting to the finals by beating top 10 players only, no easy draws.

Changing my opinion on this now, as Djokovic has the standalone record.

 

[GoatNo1]

Changing my opinion on this now, as Djokovic has the standalone record.

and 3+WO - 3 overall and 2+WO - 0 in finals in h2h

 

[Pheasant]

Changing my opinion on this now, as Djokovic has the standalone record.

You’ve always been consistent. I respect that. And I respect your opinions, even though I don’t always agree with them. You are about as level-headed as they get. And I say this as a poster from an opposing fan base.

 

[Hitman]

You’ve always been consistent. I respect that. And I respect your opinions, even though I don’t always agree with them. You are about as level-headed as they get. And I say this as a poster from an opposing fan base.

Honestly, I can same the exact same about you.

 

[DSH]

The irony of Novak fans talking about weak eras

Zverev's injury after what happened at RG allowed Djokovic to surpass Federer's record there.

 

[RS]

Waiting on the still Fed crowd

 

[BauerAlmeida]

When they were tied at 6, Federer had the slight edge, but Djokovic getting one at 36 beating Sinncaraz back to back moved the needle in his favor.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Fed's top performances are clearly more impressive. He truly was on par with the best on all surfaces there, just as good as he was on grass.

 

[DSH]

Fed's top performances are clearly more impressive. He truly was on par with the best on all surfaces there, just as good as he was on grass.

Lendl isn't talked about much, but he could have won more than five titles there, having more competition than Sampras and especially than Federer and Djokovic.

 

[BlueB]

This issue was settled in 2014 already. The later events were just to confirm it.

 

[Djokovic2011]

Quite clearly Djokovic.

 

[GoatNo1]

YE#1s, weeks at #1, slams, WTFs, OGs, masters ...

 

[dking68]

Lendl isn't talked about much, but he could have won more than five titles there, having more competition than Sampras and especially than Federer and Djokovic.

The Red Baron will break all records at the ATP finals.

 

[DSH]

The Red Baron will break all records at the ATP finals.

8 ATP Finals for the sinner?

 

[dking68]

8 ATP Finals for the sinner?

If healthy, he will win the tournament in every healthy season.. Vamos Alcaraz will be rushed by the relentless ballstriking of the Italian, plus a heavily partisan crowd. It will take a monumental effort to defeat the King of his Castle, similar to Nadal at Roland Garros

 

[DSH]

If healthy, he will win the tournament in every healthy season.. Vamos Alcaraz will be rushed by the relentless ballstriking of the Italian, plus a heavily partisan crowd. It will take a monumental effort to defeat the King of his Castle, similar to Nadal at Roland Garros

Would you prefer Sinner to face Alcaraz in the semifinals or the final?

 

[dking68]

Would you prefer Sinner to face Alcaraz in the semifinals or the final?

It doesn’t matter. The king of Torino has come to claim his title.

 

[Racquet_smash]

Lendl isn't talked about much, but he could have won more than five titles there, having more competition than Sampras and especially than Federer and Djokovic.

Lendl is obviously a YEC top player ofc