Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by Dan Lobb, Oct 20, 2012.
Looks like we have a new golf hero, Du Toit, no, not Charles Dutoit.
Shapovalov, another 17-year-old Laver successor, knocks off Krygios...wow.
This weekend marked the memorial of the 1917 Battle of Vimy Ridge, Canada's first battle as a unified army. At the cost of 10,000 casualties and 4,000 dead, the victory vindicated the precision barrage tactics of General Arthur Currie, the only successful general of WWI.
Canada's greatest tennis player of that era, Robert Powell, was killed in action at Vimy Ridge. Another casualty of that war was New Zealander Anthony Wilding.
Newest candidate name for the list,
Nadal finds out that a new name has arrived.
He's hardly a candidate yet, after one big win...
Potential. The boy's got potential.
I hope he continues improving, rising up the rankings and accumulating more big victories and experience.
Given that European players have won the last 105 big tournaments in men's tennis (and 136 out of the last 138 since November 2007), non-European challengers and contenders for big titles are sorely needed, and the sport needs fresh blood in general.
Speaking of Canadian players facing Nadal at the Canadian Open, I remember Frank Dancevic's stunning return game to break and win the 1st set of their 2007 Montreal QF. While Nadal fought back to win the match, Dancevic played some incredible shots and the atmosphere was amazing. He beat Del Potro (on the second of 3 occasions that year) and Verdasco to get to Nadal.
Best Canadian Player is Bobby Orr or Wayne Gretzky. I like Orr by a bit.
Best Canadian baseball player is Joey Votto.
Best Canadian NFL player may be Rueben Mayes.
Best Canadian NBA player is Steve Nash.
There were very few Canadian baseball players, but in addition to Votto, I would add our only Hall of Famer Ferguson Jenkins, and twice MVP Larry Walker.
George Selkirk, the slugging outfielder who replaced Iron Man Lou Gehrig in the 1930's Yankee lineup, and a pitcher with the Athletics in the 1940's (just lost his name) were other name players.
There were a few football players in the highest rank, not all of them went to NFL.
NBA? Wiggins is coming on.
Reuben Mayes, a Saskatchewanean , was great in a fairly brief career, two Pro Bowl appearances.
Another Saskatchewan lad, Arnie Weinmeister, played offensive lineman for the Giants, and is in the NFL Hall of Fame.
Weinmeister ended his career returning to Canada and playing in the CFL.
Interestingly, Weinmeister's coach with the Giants, Steve Owen, also ended his coaching career with the Canadian Football League, in Saskatchewan with the Roughriders in the early sixties, which was Weinmeister's home province.
I presume by "big tournaments" you are including slams, Masters, the YEC and the Olympics?
What are the two non-European wins? Del Potro's 2009 US Open and...? (did he win a Masters?)
Yes that's correct.
The other non-European win was Roddick's 2010 Miami title, which was the last time that a non-European has won a big tournament. Since then there has been a complete European death-grip over those events.
Del Potro has reached 3 masters series finals during his career but lost them at all, against Murray at Montreal in 2009, Nadal at Indian Wells in 2013 and Djokovic at Shanghai in 2013. Plus he lost the 2009 YEC final to Davydenko, and the 2016 Olympic final to Murray.
This decade could end with a total European clean-sweep of the men's grand slams. I certainly hope that doesn't happen.
As far as geographical diversity goes if nothing else, 1997-2002 was a golden age in men's tennis, notably 2001 when all 4 male grand slam champions were from different continents; Agassi, Kuerten, Ivanisevic and Hewitt.
Really is surprising that no South American has won a big clay-court tournament. It's been amazing how much and for how long Nadal has dominated on clay.
I don`t think that Agassi and Kuerten are from different continents, but maybe your definition of continent is different than mine.
The dividing line between North America and South America is the Panama-Colombia border.
That is only if you apply the definition of a continent being the equivalent of the land mass on a tectonic plaque. I think that is the definition taught in english speaking countries, but in other parts of the world, such as Latin America, there is another definition of continent. Even if we accept the one from the anglo world, then Europe is not a continent, nor is Asia for that matter.
It's an interesting one, and depends on the country. When I was at school in the UK, I was taught that there were 7 continents with North and South America as separate continents, and the Central American and Caribbean countries as part of North America. I assume that's also the case in the USA, India etc.
In Russia and possibly Japan, I believe that kids are taught that Europe and Asia are one continent (Eurasia) but that North and South America are separate continents.
In Latin America and numerous countries in mainland Europe, I understand that kids are taught that the Americas is one continent but that Europe and Asia are separate ones. Along those lines there are 5 Olympic rings, for Africa, America, Asia, Australia and Europe.
I don't know if any country teaches that Eurasia is one continent and that America is also one continent, but maybe that actually makes the most the sense?
And then there's the whole Australia vs. Australasia vs. Oceania debate as well.
Anyway the European stranglehold of the big tournaments in men's tennis has reached 106 consecutive events and counting.
There are 7 continents in my view.
Still waiting for the first Antarctic slam champion...
Re: the OP:
Nestor for sure.
He's the only one of that group that's a true legend. Sure, a doubles legend, but a legend nonetheless. Here's a fun stat about him (true as of a few years ago) - every single ATP-level doubles tournament he's played at least once, he's won! Any tournament he enters, he's won at least once already - that's amazing! All Grand Slams, all Masters Series... it's really quite something. He also has a few good matches in singles to shore up his resume.
Everybody else on the list is fine player in their own right, but would never come up in any discussion that wasn't specifically about canadians.
Hopefully in another decade Shapovalov will be a contender, but for now obviously he's just a promising youngster.
Sorry, Weinmeister was a defensive end, and made the NFL Hall of Fame. I will post more of him on my thread "Tennis in the Second Golden Age of Sports".
Weinmeister is still a hero in the small Saskatchewan town in the wheat belt where he comes from.
There is another Canadian in the NFL Hall of Fame besides Weinmeister, namely Bronco Nagurski from northern Ontario.
Nagurski's son would play in the CFL on a Grey Cup champion in the 1960's.
Zverev on paper is european but he leaves in Florida, sounds american and I suppose he has more american in him than german or russian.
I would say Nestor. I dont rate doubles with singles but he is a doubles legend who might even be an outside contender for the THOF. Which beats what Raonic, Bassett, Bouchard did in singes IMO. I think Denis S. will eclipse him someday though.
I think that he already has in singles, with victories over del Potro, Nadal, and Tsonga in the last couple of weeks....
It's kinda sad all Shapovalov has to do is win a Slam or make 2 Finals.
Nestor still #1.
How about Rusedski, who beat Sampras in three straight sets in the 1998 Paris final.
Or Bedard, who won 17 tournaments....not bad.
Top Canadian chess players.
Incidentally on that list Duncan Suttles was really an original thinker as a player. He was unique. Fun to look at his games.
Shapo is the future man, his strokes, his wonky oversized baseball hat tightened down all the way, his passion, surely to make him a mainstay on the tour and be a foil to Raonic.
This looks like an interesting recent match. Could happen again.
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