Greatest claycourter ever

MR. 81

Rookie
When will Nadal deserve this title? In a couple of years after he wins let's say 2 more FO and a ton of master series events? When he retires? Is he already? Never?

What do you think?
 
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Deleted member 4983

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After he retires I think he will be considered the best clay court player ever if he continues getting the results he has in the past.
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
He's still too young. If he keeps the winning streak, plus a couple of extra FO's, I wouldn't mind labeling as the most dominant claycourter ever.

I don't like the "Greatest" label. There is not a 'GREATEST' in any sport, since sport forms, rules (and tennis wise, technology) change all the time.
 

MR. 81

Rookie
Andres Guazzelli said:
He's still too young. If he keeps the winning streak, plus a couple of extra FO's, I wouldn't mind labeling as the most dominant claycourter ever.

I don't like the "Greatest" label. There is not a 'GREATEST' in any sport, since sport forms, rules (and tennis wise, technology) change all the time.
DIEGO era el más grande ;)
 
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Pele and Jordan are the goat's in their respective sports imo :)
 

snark

Rookie
The kid is just 19. It will take a few years before we can have any idea about him having any chance to be the greatest on clay. He needs to win 3 more FOs at the very least (Borg had 6, I think) to even be considered.
 

Chadwixx

Banned
Glad to see someone finally live up to their hyped potential.

I think the ultimate match would be to see a current nadal vs a top form muster on the the dirt. Those guys are animals, ill be it would go at least 6hrs.
 

crosscourt

Professional
Yup, Borg was the best that I've seen. But Nadal is very very good. Lot's of players have been as good as or better than Muster -- Vilas, Kuerten for example.
 
MR. 81 said:
DIEGO era el más grande ;)
yes he was amazing and i wouldnt mind labeling him one of the greatest ever,
buti will have to agree w/ andres guazzelli, there is no one greatest of all time.

go boca jrs!!
 

donnyz89

Hall of Fame
what more does the kid need to do? yes it might too early to label him as the best. but c'mon, doing what he is doing at 19, winning every claycourt even he enters and beating the best of the best claycourters out there is incredible and remarkable.
 

Grimjack

Banned
donnyz89 said:
what more does the kid need to do?
In order to accomplish what?

In order to let the world know he's a damn fine player? Nothing at all.

In order to even be in the discussion about "greatest claycourter ever?" Win at least five more French Opens.
 

Gilgamesh

Semi-Pro
The greatest player on clay ever is Borg.

But when all is said and done, Nadal could very well be. In fact, he could probably snatch that mantle from Borg in his late 20s because at this point I can't see anybody beating him consistently on clay or if ever. I can see him capture > 6 French Opens before he hits 30.

Of course Borg had 6 when he was what 25?

If Borg played longer he might have had > 14 GS. He surely would have had a couple more FOs.
 

Gilgamesh

Semi-Pro
Rob the Tennis Player said:
I think basketball and soccer can have a GOAT, but not tennis. As mentioned earlier, racket technology has advanced.
I don't think anyone can effectively argue a GOAT for basketball or soccer either. There are too many variables in those sports when comparing players of different eras as well especially when it comes to pace.

In basketball, the rules have also changed a lot. For example, today's handcheck benefits wings players. Zone defense give post players a greater disadvantage than previous eras. Then there is the introduction of the three point line. In terms of technology, scouting and fitness technology has improved. Basketball today is not like basketball in the 60s or 70s. In the 80s, an athletic player like MJ was quite unique. Now we have guys like Vince Carter, Kobe, TMac, Lebron, Wade, and etc. Not to mention these guys have the advantage of learning from watching players before them who learnt from watching players before them and etc. It's almost like an evolution advantage.
 
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jackofromalsager said:
i think rafael nadal will be the best but he aint at the moment
wat? then who is better than him at the moment?!?! :confused:
 

Andres

G.O.A.T.
tennis_nerd22 said:
wat? then who is better than him at the moment?!?! :confused:
You didn't understood. He said he can be the GOAT, but at this moment, he can't be considered the GOAT ;)
 
Best player on clay--Borg. Not even close yet. 2nd best--Vilas. Nadal may be 3rd, but even that is a stretch. Guys like Wilander, Kuerten, Muster, Lendl were all pretty good clay courters that some people who have been around long enough to actually see them play would rate higher than Nadal.
 

Alejandro D

Semi-Pro
A one-surface player can't be #1

Rickson said:
After all this hype, wouldn't it be hilarious if he didn't win this year's French?
And losing to Coria :D

No, seriously, I remember Borg losing the Argentine Open final to Vilas at age 16 ! ! !

Nadal might become a better clay player than Borg or not, but, unlike the great Bjorn, I can't see him winning Wimbledon. Dominating the clay circuit is not enough the become the #1.

I can see how Federer improves his clay skills, but can't se Nadal getting any better in other surfaces.
 

jings

Professional
donnyz89 said:
what more does the kid need to do? yes it might too early to label him as the best. but c'mon, doing what he is doing at 19, winning every claycourt even he enters and beating the best of the best claycourters out there is incredible and remarkable.
I'm not trying to make trouble here, but who are the best of the best clay-courters out there at the moment? Coria's a joke, JCF is still on the way back, Kuerten is injured. Gaudio is a mental flake ... has the competition really been that tough? You can only beat who is in front of you so this is not to take anything away from Nadal. He's taken Fed out quite handsomely but he's not really the best of the best on clay, altho' arguably is #2 on the surface right now .... which sort of proves my point?
 

RiosTheGenius

Hall of Fame
Andres Guazzelli said:
He's still too young. If he keeps the winning streak, plus a couple of extra FO's, I wouldn't mind labeling as the most dominant claycourter ever.

I don't like the "Greatest" label. There is not a 'GREATEST' in any sport, since sport forms, rules (and tennis wise, technology) change all the time.
I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree..... I find hard to believe that anyone will ever be as good as Michael Jordan in Basketball. he's the Greatest of that sport without a doubt.
but in most sports I'd agree that it's subjective... ex. the endless Pele vs Maradona argument in football.
 

crosscourt

Professional
RiostheGenius -- in Sth America there may be a dispute about whether Maradonna or Pele were the GOAT. In Manchester we know it was Norman Whiteside (with Rooney coming up on the rails)! Just a pity that Norman played international footbal for Northern Ireland and that in football the GOAT may never have the chance to show how good he is internationally because of the team he plays for.

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RiosTheGenius

Hall of Fame
crosscourt said:
RiostheGenius -- in Sth America there may be a dispute about whether Maradonna or Pele were the GOAT. In Manchester we know it was Norman Whiteside (with Rooney coming up on the rails)! Just a pity that Norman played international footbal for Northern Ireland and that in football the GOAT may never have the chance to show how good he is internationally because of the team he plays for.

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I am very much familiar with Rooney and you may say the same thing about Michael Laudrup, Paul Gascoigne, Ronaldinho or whoever you please. Football and its greatest player is a subjective topic and it never ends.

can you imagine if M. Laudrup were Brazilian and had to give passes to Romario?... Denmark never had a team good enough for that guy to really show his potential. same with Rooney ...... isn't he English anyway???... you tell me
 
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