Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by illusions30, Oct 19, 2013.
Who do you believe is the greatest mens carpet player of all time.
The best wood player ever is really only a 3 way race between Gonzales, Laver, and Rosewall IMO. Best carpet though is between those three, and McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras, and Becker all having a good case too. Much harder decision than the best wood player is.
tough one. I believe Becker and Mac are the most accomplished?
Peak for Peak, I think Sampras was would eat everyone for lunch in history indoors (hard or carpet)
Hell, Just watching those '07 exos with Federer made me forget what kind of a BEAST Sampras really was on those fast indoor courts. I still haven't see anyone with that kind of aggression and strike first mentality to that same degree mixed with the mental toughness and pace of shots on medium-fast courts
Exos says it all really...
Lendl (7 indoor majors), Sampras (7 indoor majors) and McEnroe (8 indoor majors) are the most accomplished in the open era. becker is at a level below them in terms of accomplishment.
Lendl and Becker were indoor carpet kings!! Were there many carpet when Pete was around?
Becker was great on indoor carpet - yes. But not sure why people keep listing him up with Lendl and McEnroe who had obviously superior records on that surface.
Of Sampras' 7 great indoor titles (5 WTF's and 2 Grand Slam Cups) - the 2 Grand Slam Cups and 3 his WTF's (1991 & 1993 Frankfurt & 1996 Hanover) were on carpet. He also won important indoor carpet events like Philadelphia (4 times in that event).
McEnroe has the best winning percentage and won the most titles, including the most important ones. He is followed by Lendl, Borg, Connors, Becker, Ashe and Sampras.
Edit: Gonzales, Laver and Rosewall are deserved by these stats because they concern the open era only. Laver is eight of the list, just behind Sampras, on the sole basis of his open era years.
Nastase won 4 Masters indoors.Smith won a Masters, a WCT title and lost two Masters finals; a similar record to that of Ashe, BTW.
My pick is JMac too.
I'm not a Mac fan, but he was sick on the rug. Gotta give credit when credit is due!
Tilden,VInes,Cochet,Kovacs,Budge,Riggs,Kramer,Hoad,Gonzales,Olmedo and Gimeno were among the pre open era best.Of course, Laver and Rosewall, who won the 1971 and 1972 WCT finals over Laver.
In the 70´s, Ashe,Nastase,Connors and Smith did great indoors; Borg was about the same, with three big indoor titles under his belt.The 80´s belong to Lendl,Mac and Becker.The 90´s to Sampras with Stich,Krajicek and olies Becker and Edberg still being able to give a scarce or two.In current era, the only truely great indoor players happens being Roger Federer.
Let´s not forget Nastase, a Masters recordholder with 4 successive titles.In fact, he only lost a Masters final and that was the only one he didn´t play indoors ( grass ).
I remember the way he beat Borg at Borg´s home soil in 1975 Stockholm.Of course Borg would gain a sweet revenge in the 76 Wimbledon tournament.
Sampras and Becker.
Never saw a higher level of carpet game.
Fed whined about carpet and ATP banned the surface.
Fed shows only a mediocre net game.
His preparation for his spinny strokes needs too much time on fast surfaces.
In which universe is this true? Federer has campaigned for faster surfaces, not slower ones. Players and journalists agree that he would benefit if the courts were made faster. See the comments by Andy Murray and Peter Bodo after Federer won Dubai in 2012 on an unusually fast court.
Fed whined to ATP about carpet - too fast. It was banned.
He has no chance against good carpet players. Indoors he has no chance anymore against Nadal.
Fed is good on medium to slow surfaces as the base line player he is.
And i am happy i could not watch Fedal against Becker or Sampras on carpet.
They would have slaughter both, taking their time away.
I'm not especially interested in hypothetical matchups, since they do little more than offer fanboys an opportunity to indulge their prejudices. Can you provide any evidence to support your claim that Federer complained about playing on carpet and that this is the reason why the surface has virtually disappeared from ATP tour events?
I'm not an expert on carpet players, but peak Becker could definitely hang with the best of them. I remember his victory over Pete Sampras at Stuttgart in 1996.
Or the complete demolition of Edberg and Wilander in DC finals, reaching the final of 8 WTF, winning the Grand Slam Cup etc.
I voted for Mac, but there were a handful of carpet bosses to be sure.
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