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ttwarrior1 said:
i took over today as coach against another team. Our coach couldnt make the trip as he was away on a mission , since he is a minister also.
This is what i did. We were playing the top ranked team in the state. We are last if they had a rank for that.
Our #1 seed cant beat their #1 seed or even the other teams #2 seed. So i decided to make our worst player the #1 seed. I decided if their guy can beat our #1 guy without a doubt then why not just make it a cheap victory.

I put our second worst player as the #2 seed.

Yes both got beat 6-0 6-0

HERES WHERE THE FUN BEGINS.

The team, coach were were playing all thought they were gonna play our top 2 guys at 1 and 2. He confronts me and I blew him a kiss and laughed. Everyone is now in shock. I lined up my players and we all did the Ric Flair strut and said WHOOOOOO!!!!!!

I Made our best player the #3 seed, and out second best player the #4 seed and our 3rd best playe the #5 seed.

Guess what happened . We won 3 to 2. ha ha ha ha!!

I did the same thing with the girls, and in doubles .

Everyone there was fuming. The coaches , parents. We were the visiting team and there were around 200 or so there spread out .

People calling us cheaters, names and everything you can think of.

I mean the guy i had at #1 is a rookie thats only been playing like a week and cant even get it over the net sometimes if you hit it straight too him.
I mean the punk millionaire kid he was playing was like WTF.

He figured it out later when he saw our best guy beating up their #3 seed.

We've played this team every year since 1976 and havent even won ten matches total i don't think until i took over.
The players on the other team were crying , even some of the parents. They said they were gonna ban us from local tourneys. Turn us into the commissioner. I said go ahead and tell him that we kicked your teams buttocks. THE BEST TEAM WON

Okay i weigh 320 , closer to 350 actuallly and for some reason the coach challenges me to a match. Yes he is better than me but not by alot. I was pumped, motivated. WE had both teams, parents, cops. People running around everywhere. People pulling over trying to figure out what was going on.

Yes he called everyshot i hit on the line out and im like okay, dont even blink and accept it. He was acting like a wild animal during the match . So i decide to start serving to the middle so he cant call my shots out . I served like 80 percent first serve. I was having trouble with his serve so i did more drop shots . He won the 1st set 6-4. I won the second set coming back from 4-0 to win 6-4 . We then did a ten pt tie breaker. First person to 10 win by 2. He was up 9-0 and give up . I then just go for , get two aces. 9-2. I then get two winners 9-4. Still upset knowing im gonna lose. I then get two errors from him on my serve. 9-6. I then get two big time lucky winners from the tape and a miss hit. 9-8. I then get an another winner. I end up winning 24-22 . The team picks me up and carries me off the court. He slams his 300 racket down and breaks it. I mean we celebrated for like 15 minutes. We kept telling stories about the matches we played. WE couldnt stop laughing.
WE decided to to to mcdonalds but after we won we decided its time to go to Golden Corral.
GUESS WHAT HAPPENS. OTHER TEAM SHOWS UP . MORE COMING
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This would never happen down here in Oz - you have to declare your team member's rating before you play (most teams check their opponent's ratings) and highest rated players have to pair off for singles and so on.

Pretty poor form to do what you did. A hollow victory.

Have to be honest Id expect most people to punch on before the match even started if some redneck tried that s*it.
 
Wow, I remember reading this thread 8 years ago... as a 12-year-old. Found it hilarious. Still do LOL.

Jesus, I've spent way too much time on this site.
 
O man. I remember this thread reading it some eight years ago. I do not think it was a piece of brilliant coaching, it was a piece of brilliant cheating.
 
This is hilarious. The OP thought he was some pioneering genius or something, like he was the first person to think of stacking.

I'd love to read more from this guy.
 
TTwarrior is one of the greatest all time trolls in TT history. He lives up to his name. His Youtubery is masterful as well. He makes a video that says he can hit 100 plus MPH serves, clearly tops out at maybe 80 while pancaking balls in, and then sits back while the youtubehate rolls in.

It's fine work, and I applaud it.

You have guys making the same horrible posts in the general players area, bickering like old maids, and this thread has stood the test of time. If Poasting was hit song writing, TTWarrior would be a rich man.
 
I never knew stacking was an issue...i thought it was part of the strategy...almost world team tennis like...I see stacking every time I play league...
 
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yeah my captain did something similar, we were playing the best team in our bracket and my captain put himself as number 1 seed as our captain is actually worse on our team and tho the games were pretty close we still lost like 2-6 3-6 4-6 with our number 1. ect but we won all our other games so we still won by sets. same result as what you did to other side. the opponents number 1 seed had big hissy fit and called us jerks and had complete meltdown.
 
I have a hard time understanding what exactly is wrong with this strategy. It is a team competition, so it is fair play to set up the playing order as you see fit. The best response is to let everyone do whatever they want with their line up -- smarter coaches are an asset to the team, as are good players and it could be very hard to enforce.

As for the loosing teams and, worst, parents... Grow up! It is a recreational tournament and, if you can't balance out the mixed up line up, you're in no position to look down at others thinking 'we shoulf have won.' If they're not too dumb, they earned a bit of wisdom: talent does not garantee success.
 
10isMaestro said:
I have a hard time understanding what exactly is wrong with this strategy. It is a team competition, so it is fair play to set up the playing order as you see fit. The best response is to let everyone do whatever they want with their line up -- smarter coaches are an asset to the team, as are good players and it could be very hard to enforce.

As for the loosing teams and, worst, parents... Grow up! It is a recreational tournament and, if you can't balance out the mixed up line up, you're in no position to look down at others thinking 'we shoulf have won.' If they're not too dumb, they earned a bit of wisdom: talent does not garantee success.
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In NJ where I am the high school teams are not allowed to stack. There is a ladder and the players play in the order of ladder determined by challenge matches before the season matches start. The kids all want to be the top spot and play 1. Of the schools in my son's division the #1 at a rival school is top 10 in the USA in the 18s. But he is younger. Tons of players end up recruited to big schools when they graduate.
There is 3 singles spots and 2 doubles teams. So 7 kids. Everyone wants a singles spot.

If you stack your lineup it's cheating. And people will know based on the results in the season. At least where I am all the best usta kids play high school tennis. So the competition is really high.
 
also the coaches at all matches have to carry the scores of all the challenge matches with them. In case of injuries you have rules that determine whom can play where. You can move a doubles player up to a singles spot if one of the singles is hurt. But you cannot move a singles down a spot. Or into a doubles team. If say the 2nd singles is hurt the coach can move singles 3 to 2. And keep the 2 doubles teams intact and take the 1st JV player into the 3rd Varsity singles spot. Instead of defaulting that match.

Basically to keep competition high and honest. Stacking is for losers. My son played #3 singles this year and he earned his spot and no way would he lose a challenge match on purpose to play say 2nd doubles to guarantee a team win. And no real coach would ask this.
 
rogerroger917 said:
In NJ where I am the high school teams are not allowed to stack. There is a ladder and the players play in the order of ladder determined by challenge matches before the season matches start. The kids all want to be the top spot and play 1. Of the schools in my son's division the #1 at a rival school is top 10 in the USA in the 18s. But he is younger. Tons of players end up recruited to big schools when they graduate.
There is 3 singles spots and 2 doubles teams. So 7 kids. Everyone wants a singles spot.

If you stack your lineup it's cheating. And people will know based on the results in the season. At least where I am all the best usta kids play high school tennis. So the competition is really high.
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i wish all usta teams i've been on, played challenge matches for your spot on the team :)
or maybe use stats from tennisrecord or something

i've quit teams in the past when they stack as one of their strategies to win.
 
nytennisaddict said:
i wish all usta teams i've been on, played challenge matches for your spot on the team :)
or maybe use stats from tennisrecord or something

i've quit teams in the past when they stack as one of their strategies to win.
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If I am the "sacrificed" player, I welcome the chance to play the better player. If you are saying that you quit because you did not want to play "down", I can sort of see that.

On the strategic side, I understand the objection to stacking with high school where players are trying to get recruited by colleges but don't think it applies to usta. I don't see a problem if a usta captain wants to stack (only seen it happen a few times).

In my experience the three doubles teams are often competitive and usually interchangeable with each other. There will occasionally be a discrepancy with #1 and #2 singles. It all depends on the depth of the team.

In any case, it cannot really be "cheating" when the players are all supposed to be computer rated at roughly the same level anyway, so making the lineup is a strategic decision left up to the captain.
 
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Raul_SJ said:
If I am the "sacrificed" player, I welcome the chance to play the better player. If you are saying that you quit because you did not want to play "down", I can sort of see that.

On the strategic side, I understand the objection to stacking with high school where players are trying to get recruited by colleges but don't think it applies to usta. I don't see a problem if a usta captain wants to stack (only seen it happen a few times).

In my experience the three doubles teams are often competitive and usually interchangeable with each other. There will occasionally be a discrepancy with #1 and #2 singles. It all depends on the depth of the team.

In any case, it cannot really be "cheating" when the players are all supposed to be computer rated at roughly the same level anyway, so making the lineup is a strategic decision left up to the captain.
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i'd love to be sacraficed at #1s for every match.

I'm fine playing whatever position, if i belong there, but for sure there are (many!) times i'm playing lower especially if the capt subscribes to the "strong player + weak player" philosophy.. instead of playing their best lineup straightup (which often means - on a team with only a few good players - #1s,#2s,#1d fight for a 50/50 match.... and #2d and #3d, almost always lose)

in my experience, the *best* teams, will have #1-3 doubles all equally strong.

agree, it's not really cheating, since there are no rules against stacking... but often if you say the top guy, playing the bottom guy of the opposing team, it's a waste of time (especially if the opposing team was struggling to find people and/or have players a ntrp level lower, filling in).
 
10isMaestro said:
I have a hard time understanding what exactly is wrong with this strategy. It is a team competition, so it is fair play to set up the playing order as you see fit. The best response is to let everyone do whatever they want with their line up -- smarter coaches are an asset to the team, as are good players and it could be very hard to enforce.

As for the loosing teams and, worst, parents... Grow up! It is a recreational tournament and, if you can't balance out the mixed up line up, you're in no position to look down at others thinking 'we shoulf have won.' If they're not too dumb, they earned a bit of wisdom: talent does not garantee success.
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Exactly my thoughts. This all come down to strategy. Of course, if stacking is not allowed it is a completely different thing since it is cheating. But even rankings are not an exact science and something called "matchups" exists. I remember a club competition here in Lima between my club (not my category though) and a different club. The #2 player of them had the mental edge and matchup advantage over a friend of mine. To avoid this, my friend was #1 and the real #1 (not by a lot, but he was the best player without doubt) played as #2. The strategy was a success and my club won the tie. First and most important thing was to puzzle this #2 guy who before the match told my friend "but you are the number 2, why are you playing 1? It is all strategy my friend... and it was well thought! It was not really if my friend was not in the position to win against this other guy, but the chance of losing because past history of their matches between them. A lot of factors are in play when you say if one player would be 1 or the last.

And talking about the original post (well done ttwarrior1 BTW) if a team is defeated with the stacking strategy, they as a TEAM are not good enough. In this kind of competitions, the sum of all parts make the victory, not the fact that you have 1 or 2 really strong players
 
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