Greatness isn't described in numbers: it goes beyond that

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Rolex ad describes greatness without numbers. Which is true. You don't describe greatness with just numbers, you don't describe life with numbers, and numbers don't tell the whole story.

Now it doesn't mean he IS the greatest nor does Rolex suggest this.

It says Fed goes beyond numbers which is obvious in many ways. If it wasn't Djoker would be the most famous tennis player of all time.

Unless you are a specific fan of the sport, not many remember how many titles Jordan, Kobe, Phil, Tiger, Brady, Phelps, or Gretzky has.

The average person just knows the greatness and can see it and feel it.

Doesn't mean Fed is the greatest, but you sure can see his greatness without his numbers. There is an aura.


Numbers don't tell greatness, greatness is witnessed.
 
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Deleted member 743561

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Fred wins on numbers too.

That's the beauty of 'er. :)
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Rolex ad describes greatness without numbers. Which is true. You don't describe greatness with just numbers, you don't describe life with numbers, and numbers don't tell the whole story.

Now it doesn't mean he IS the greatest nor does Rolex suggest this.

It says Fed goes beyond numbers which is obvious in many ways. If it wasn't Djoker would be the most famous tennis player of all time.

Unless you are a specific fan of the sport, not many remember how many titles Jordan, Kobe, Phil, Tiger, Brady, Phelps, or Gretzky has.

The average person just knows the greatness and can see it and feel it.

Doesn't mean Fed is the greatest, but you sure can see his greatness without his numbers. There is an aura.


Numbers don't tell greatness, greatness is witnessed.
You are right, actually I agree with you but it was Fed fans in the old thread which I have seen, have made all about numbers.
In old threads I visited there are countless 17> 14 or 17>12 and so on, any discussion on greatness and numbers were pasted.
It was Beckerserve all over again. So what wrong in numbers now, even now Fed has 20 slam with 6 yec
If you live by the sword, you die by the sword
 

Vanilla Slice

Professional
Please … please stop the Fedal cope.

Djokovic finishing as the most accomplished will make him the GOAT. It may not make him the most famous, most loved, or biggest influencer of the sport, but he will be the greatest to ever play.

The fact that he is so rooted against and had to fight off Fedal is amazing. A CYGS - hell a GCYGS - would only immortalize him and finish the debate this year.
 

Europa1

Rookie
Rolex ad describes greatness without numbers. Which is true. You don't describe greatness with just numbers, you don't describe life with numbers, and numbers don't tell the whole story.

Now it doesn't mean he IS the greatest nor does Rolex suggest this.

It says Fed goes beyond numbers which is obvious in many ways. If it wasn't Djoker would be the most famous tennis player of all time.

Unless you are a specific fan of the sport, not many remember how many titles Jordan, Kobe, Phil, Tiger, Brady, Phelps, or Gretzky has.

The average person just knows the greatness and can see it and feel it.

Doesn't mean Fed is the greatest, but you sure can see his greatness without his numbers. There is an aura.


Numbers don't tell greatness, greatness is witnessed.
Agreed, beating your ATG rivals by facing adversity head on. Real greatness.

Not really a good look for Djoko cheating on a critical point...
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
You are right, actually I agree with you but it was Fed fans in the old thread which I have seen, have made all about numbers.
In old threads I visited there are countless 17> 14 or 17>12 and so on, any discussion on greatness and numbers were pasted.
It was Beckerserve all over again. So what wrong in numbers now, even now Fed has 20 slam with 6 yec
If you live by the sword, you die by the sword
Please … please stop the Fedal cope.

Djokovic finishing as the most accomplished will make him the GOAT. It may not make him the most famous, most loved, or biggest influencer of the sport, but he will be the greatest to ever play.

The fact that he is so rooted against and had to fight off Fedal is amazing. A CYGS - hell a GCYGS - would only immortalize him and finish the debate this year.
Once again, many not understanding three difference between greatness and greatest ever... As usual.
 
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Deleted member 743561

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Please … please stop the Fedal cope.

Djokovic finishing as the most accomplished will make him the GOAT. It may not make him the most famous, most loved, or biggest influencer of the sport, but he will be the greatest to ever play.

The fact that he is so rooted against and had to fight off Fedal is amazing. A CYGS - hell a GCYGS - would only immortalize him and finish the debate this year.
You may live in a different reality or something.

No one in real life is even close to calling Djokovic GOAT.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
So you are either "it" or nothing? You are a one dimensional bot not being able to separate two realities. Fed is one of the greatest ever. Djoker is too.

But if you really want to go with the "it" route, Which is not numbers based either... He ain't it.
If I am a bot WTF are you then?
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Someone who is multifaceted and can see that more than one thing can be true. I can accept Djokers greatness and even the aura and non number greatness.

But can you for Fed?
Have I ever negated it? You who is multifaceted keeps posting the same stuff over and over. Now, that's one dimensional.
 

Kralingen

Hall of Fame
I think the criticism of the commercial is that Federer has been called the undisputed greatest of all time for the past decade, ad nauseum. So these breathy, sycophantic commercials where they try to convince you that, even now, his sh*t STILL doesn’t stink are very difficult to watch for me.

Do we really need more idol worship in our media? That’s the issue, not anything Roger’s done.
 

nachiket nolefam

Hall of Fame
I went to watch USopen on the day both these legends were playing.

As soon as it was announced that Novak plays night sessiont, the night session tickets dropped and by evening it went from 120 to 80 dollars.
While day session went from 180 to 240 dollars. I had day pass but there were so many people to swap tickets with.

So numbers aren't the only thing. On court Djokovic will be better but legacy wise Federer will be ahead.
 

beard

Legend
Yes, I agree. It's quite clear to me actually. It's impossible to play better than Federer in my mind. He's the greatest, and it's not close. And he will lose the numbers race. So I totally agree with you.
Yeah, it's like saying "for me, my mother is the most beautiful woman in the world"... I mean, every reasonable person, although he loves his mother the most, knows he's basically wrong... But, it's ok... ;)
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, it's like saying "for me, my mother is the most beautiful woman in the world"... I mean, every reasonable person, although he loves his mother the most, knows he's basically wrong... But, it's ok... ;)
How dare you say that about my mom. She was the greatest mother. She won the award the most times.
 

bnjkn

Semi-Pro
Yeah, it's like saying "for me, my mother is the most beautiful woman in the world"... I mean, every reasonable person, although he loves his mother the most, knows he's basically wrong... But, it's ok... ;)
Well, if the feeling is real, if it's there, I guess it's best to recognize that the feeling exists.

I'm aware that there is a considerable degree of subjectivity and I agree this awareness is important. I'm not alone in the world and people's perceptions differ, tastes differ, and that's fine. I need to connect to people in my life, so I try my best to respect other people's views. At the same time, whatever we can see other people can see, so we're never alone.

I try not to let the subjective part blind me, so there's an objective side, like number of slam titles, h2h, numbers in general, that can't be ignored, and that's why I have accepted that Djokovic is the GOAT and the most accomplished player ever (objective). But the best tennis ever played is Federer's tennis (subjective), because I look at it and I feel it's perfect.
 
Rolex ad describes greatness without numbers. Which is true. You don't describe greatness with just numbers, you don't describe life with numbers, and numbers don't tell the whole story.

Now it doesn't mean he IS the greatest nor does Rolex suggest this.

It says Fed goes beyond numbers which is obvious in many ways. If it wasn't Djoker would be the most famous tennis player of all time.

Unless you are a specific fan of the sport, not many remember how many titles Jordan, Kobe, Phil, Tiger, Brady, Phelps, or Gretzky has.

The average person just knows the greatness and can see it and feel it.

Doesn't mean Fed is the greatest, but you sure can see his greatness without his numbers. There is an aura.


Numbers don't tell greatness, greatness is witnessed.
The problem with this narrative is that it keeps changing for Federer.

First it was the numbers.

Now it's not the numbers.
 

Lleytonstation

G.O.A.T.
people Still can’t believe Djoker has taken the goat crown. Still in utter denial most people are LOL. Records were made to be broken. I’m sure in 20-30 years, someone comes along and shatters Noles numbers too. It is what it is
No one is breaking Djokers records. What does this have to do with farm animals?
 

mcs1970

Hall of Fame
Rolex ad describes greatness without numbers. Which is true. You don't describe greatness with just numbers, you don't describe life with numbers, and numbers don't tell the whole story.

Now it doesn't mean he IS the greatest nor does Rolex suggest this.

It says Fed goes beyond numbers which is obvious in many ways. If it wasn't Djoker would be the most famous tennis player of all time.

Unless you are a specific fan of the sport, not many remember how many titles Jordan, Kobe, Phil, Tiger, Brady, Phelps, or Gretzky has.

The average person just knows the greatness and can see it and feel it.

Doesn't mean Fed is the greatest, but you sure can see his greatness without his numbers. There is an aura.


Numbers don't tell greatness, greatness is witnessed.
When I said a few years ago that Sampras would always be #1 for me, Fed fans were adamant that GS title counts are the only objective way to measure GOAT. .

Now that there is a chance that Novak might beat out Fed, we are back to subjective measures?
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Silly arguments here. Life is never black and white. No one is the greatest at everything.
Novak is the most successful player or will be soon, while Rafa is the king of Roland Garros, and the master of topspin.
Roger is the most accomplished player of them all. He has high numbers in everything while not being the best at one particular aspect. One could argue that due to his rivals constant gamesmanship and sometimes blatant cheating, he is also the most sportsmanlike and an role model for the next generations.
 
Roger is the most accomplished player of them all. He has high numbers in everything while not being the best at one particular aspect. One could argue that due to his rivals constant gamesmanship and sometimes blatant cheating, he is also the most sportsmanlike and an role model for the next generations.
LOL.

The point is to be the best.

Fed's fanatics are going straight up through a meltdown.
 

daphne

Hall of Fame
Silly arguments here. Life is never black and white. No one is the greatest at everything.
Novak is the most successful player or will be soon, while Rafa is the king of Roland Garros, and the master of topspin.
Roger is the most accomplished player of them all. He has high numbers in everything while not being the best at one particular aspect. One could argue that due to his rivals constant gamesmanship and sometimes blatant cheating, he is also the most sportsmanlike and an role model for the next generations.
The GOAT title won't exist the moment Djok wins WB. Why? No one is the greatest :)
 
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