Griekspoor "Rafa and Roger were there and he just came and basically destroyed every record in the book,”

No offence but y'all are quarreling like teenagers :p

I guess he got desperate enough to defend Novak as if Novak is his daddy.
My comments and signature must have hurt him real bad
For me it is not important to convince Novak fans or Rafa fans anything, but for trolls like him whose name itself is on djokovic it is important :p
 
I guess he got desperate enough to defend Novak as if Novak is his daddy.
My comments and signature must have hurt him real bad
For me it is not important to convince Novak fans or Rafa fans anything, but for trolls like him whose name itself is on djokovic it is important :p

Having hard time understanding you while you are sucking on Fed. Please try again.
 
Sorry bro but if Nole wins the US Open he is the undisputed goat, that's not an opinion that's a fact.

There is nothing called an undisputed GOAT Bro unless it is Rafael Nadal on Clay.

Everything else is disputed.

Secondly, GOAT is more of a narrative, Media did not set slams as the only parameter, it is a larger picture, so we need to see what happens if he wins 21.
 
Doesn't matter @Gary Duane
Even if some Federer fans here think like you, the whole majority of Fed fans globally (the ones that you fill in the stadiums and the forums on Fb and twitter) think like me.
I am in the majority.

These trolls like gamesetdjokovic or djokovicisthebest don't deserve any proper conversation anyway
Everyone intelligent thinks like me, and here is why: if one player is so important, then tennis becomes worthless when that player retires. Fans of Joker think he will win forever, when in fact his career can end at any time. It may be this year, or it may be in 5 years. But if your world revolves around Joker, then you won't watch tennis when he is gone.

Fed fans are already in that boat. Fed is most likely gone now. He was not having much success after a 2nd operation, so the chances of him doing anything in the future besides perhaps eventually playing some exhos for seniors is very slim.

I think Nadal is very close to the end now, so really it's all about Joker now and for as long as he can stay dominant.

One player fans are going to disappear. You won't see much of people like Octobrina because there you have a one player fan. It was all about Rafa.

A lot of people here will disappear when the Big 3 are done.

The rest of us are looking for younger players who are most like the veterans we most enjoyed watching, so those who love tennis and are not totally obsessed with one player are going to be around here for a long time. The one player fans will disappear, but it's not like they ever enjoyed tennis. The were always miserable unless their faves won.

Meanwhile, for me personally Joker's CYGS quest is more interesting than just about anything else right now because I don't see one young player yet who is an obvious future ATG who will attract millions of fans from around the globe. The young guys to me either have severe character defects (Sissy and Zod) or are very likeable young players who just don't have a complete enough game to dominate.

Lightning strikes quickly in tennis. Guys like Borg aren't even seen on the horizon by most people until a year or two before they break through. I don't think anyone saw Mac or Connors breaking through, or Becker, or Edberg, and so on. 20/20 hindsight makes the breakthroughs seem obvious and predictable. But in real time you just don't see it happening.
 
Yeah but Roger is so elegant and gracious so screw you!!

:D :D
Even when people say this I as a Djokovic fan agree with them. Fed has the game style that too non or partly tennis fans it is attractive so he will always be considered the greatest by some and has done so much getting people watching tennis over the years so I say yeah he will always have that over Djokodal, but at the end of the day his records in history are gone so he can’t be considered the greatest just the most gracious and beautiful
 
He is salty his idol is not the best anymore, well he never was he must have been crying everytime young Rafa bageled peak Roger :-D

Roger's records came down crashing like a house of cards.

Funny though if you brought up this topic 2 years ago they would not give a shiiit about Fed's earnings. Now it is all they have.
 
He is salty his idol is not the best anymore, well he never was he must have been crying everytime young Rafa bageled peak Roger :-D

I don't idolize Federer.
If I did then I would have put a slogan " federer is the best" as my DN like some morons :D

The day I feel Fed is not longer the GOAT I will remove the signature too, till then things are what they are :whistle:
 
There is nothing called an undisputed GOAT Bro unless it is Rafael Nadal on Clay.

Everything else is disputed.

Secondly, GOAT is more of a narrative, Media did not set slams as the only parameter, it is a larger picture, so we need to see what happens if he wins 21.
Wrong, when Roger won his 15 gs at Wimbledon he was crown by most media and tennis fans as the goat not before that, so the GOAT race has mostly been determined by the amount of slams and dominance something that Roger does not hold the record anymore.
 
Also I agree with what most are saying that he hasn’t taking over due too all on 20 but I think he means from 2011 as he said Fedal where already there and since then Djokovic has more slams, weeks at #1 than Fedal and Murray combined
 
Everyone intelligent thinks like me, and here is why: if one player is so important, then tennis becomes worthless when that player retires. Fans of Joker think he will win forever, when in fact his career can end at any time. It may be this year, or it may be in 5 years. But if your world revolves around Joker, then you won't watch tennis when he is gone.

Fed fans are already in that boat. Fed is most likely gone now. He was not having much success after a 2nd operation, so the chances of him doing anything in the future besides perhaps eventually playing some exhos for seniors is very slim.

I think Nadal is very close to the end now, so really it's all about Joker now and for as long as he can stay dominant.

One player fans are going to disappear. You won't see much of people like Octobrina because there you have a one player fan. It was all about Rafa.

A lot of people here will disappear when the Big 3 are done.

The rest of us are looking for younger players who are most like the veterans we most enjoyed watching, so those who love tennis and are not totally obsessed with one player are going to be around here for a long time. The one player fans will disappear, but it's not like they ever enjoyed tennis. The were always miserable unless their faves won.

Meanwhile, for me personally Joker's CYGS quest is more interesting than just about anything else right now because I don't see one young player yet who is an obvious future ATG who will attract millions of fans from around the globe. The young guys to me either have severe character defects (Sissy and Zod) or are very likeable young players who just don't have a complete enough game to dominate.

Lightning strikes quickly in tennis. Guys like Borg aren't even seen on the horizon by must people until a year or two before they break through. I don't think anyone saw Mac or Connors breaking through, or Becker, or Edberg, and so on. 20 20 hindsight makes the breakthroughs seem obvious and predictable. But in real time you just don't see it happening.

Amen to that.
 
Wrong, when Roger won his 15 gs at Wimbledon he was crown by most media and tennis fans as the goat not before that, so the GOAT race has mostly been determined by the amount of slams and dominance something that Roger does not hold the record anymore.

Federer was the GOAT even before 15.
He was popular in the media as the GOAT by the end of 07 itself with 12 slams, why doesn't Novak have that kind of a presence?
GOAT is not just a stats piling contest buddy, thats where you and your fanbase has it all mistaken.
The feel is needed that you are witnessing something special, then even before 15 the media will crown you the GOAT, Fed was unofficially the GOAT by ending 07 and everyone was talking about him as greater than Sampras then itself, after his crossed 14 with a 15 Pete himself arrived to declare him that.
With Novak even with 21 that might not happen, the narrative is more than that, without the feel he won't be the GOAT.

Sorry but that is the truth.... perception matters.
 
Federer was the GOAT even before 15.
He was popular in the media as the GOAT by the end of 07 itself with 12 slams, why doesn't Novak have that kind of a presence?
GOAT is not just a stats piling contest buddy, thats where you and your fanbase has it all mistaken.
The feel is needed that you are witnessing something special, then even before 15 the media will crown you the GOAT, Fed was unofficially the GOAT by ending 07 and everyone was talking about him as greater than Sampras then itself, after his crossed 14 with a 15 Pete himself arrived to declare him that.
With Novak even with 21 that might not happen, the narrative is more than that, without the feel he won't be the GOAT.

Sorry but that is the truth.... perception matters.
Djokovic winning 21 here would obviously make him goat.
He is the only player to win every slam twice.
Win every masters(also twice)
Has most weeks at #1
Most YE1
Done NCYGS and CYGS.
Is ahead in slams aswell.

Im all for debate but I don’t think it’s much of a argument
 
Federer was the GOAT even before 15.
He was popular in the media as the GOAT by the end of 07 itself with 12 slams, why doesn't Novak have that kind of a presence?
GOAT is not just a stats piling contest buddy, thats where you and your fanbase has it all mistaken.
The feel is needed that you are witnessing something special, then even before 15 the media will crown you the GOAT, Fed was unofficially the GOAT by ending 07 and everyone was talking about him as greater than Sampras then itself, after his crossed 14 with a 15 Pete himself arrived to declare him that.
With Novak even with 21 that might not happen, the narrative is more than that, without the feel he won't be the GOAT.

Sorry but that is the truth.... perception matters.

And that folks is a sign of a very delusional fan.
 
Djokovic winning 21 here would obviously make him goat.
He is the only player to win every slam twice.
Win every masters(also twice)
Has most weeks at #1
Most YE1
Done NCYGS and CYGS.
Is ahead in slams aswell.

Im all for debate but I don’t think it’s much of a argument

Whatever bro, Roger has more money and he is much more gracious and elegant. That is what makes him a GOAT.

GS are only relevant when Roger is leading. Plus he has 4 kids. Beat that!
 
Whatever bro, Roger has more money and he is much more gracious and elegant. That is what makes him a GOAT.

GS are only relevant when Roger is leading. Plus he has 4 kids. Beat that!
It’s actually like that though. I even had people debate me that Fed Is better due to overall titles because he has 103 and Djokovic has 85.
But Fed has 49 250/500 titles and Djokovic has 24
 
Everyone intelligent thinks like me, and here is why: if one player is so important, then tennis becomes worthless when that player retires. Fans of Joker think he will win forever, when in fact his career can end at any time. It may be this year, or it may be in 5 years. But if your world revolves around Joker, then you won't watch tennis when he is gone.

Fed fans are already in that boat. Fed is most likely gone now. He was not having much success after a 2nd operation, so the chances of him doing anything in the future besides perhaps eventually playing some exhos for seniors is very slim.

I think Nadal is very close to the end now, so really it's all about Joker now and for as long as he can stay dominant.

One player fans are going to disappear. You won't see much of people like Octobrina because there you have a one player fan. It was all about Rafa.

A lot of people here will disappear when the Big 3 are done.

The rest of us are looking for younger players who are most like the veterans we most enjoyed watching, so those who love tennis and are not totally obsessed with one player are going to be around here for a long time. The one player fans will disappear, but it's not like they ever enjoyed tennis. The were always miserable unless their faves won.

Meanwhile, for me personally Joker's CYGS quest is more interesting than just about anything else right now because I don't see one young player yet who is an obvious future ATG who will attract millions of fans from around the globe. The young guys to me either have severe character defects (Sissy and Zod) or are very likeable young players who just don't have a complete enough game to dominate.

Lightning strikes quickly in tennis. Guys like Borg aren't even seen on the horizon by most people until a year or two before they break through. I don't think anyone saw Mac or Connors breaking through, or Becker, or Edberg, and so on. 20/20 hindsight makes the breakthroughs seem obvious and predictable. But in real time you just don't see it happening.


I agree with you sir,

I only appear as a fanatic when I see these low iq cretins who are here to bite for their hero as if that is their motive in life. This fellow with gamesetnovak id has been replying me as if he thinks some battle is going on :D I put that moron on ignore for some days and was not seeing his post, then I unblocked him as I normally don't keep ignore list with profiles, it doesn't seem "neat", however he is again here to vent his frustration, lol.... Anyway, blocked him 20 minutes back, cannot see his comments as they are nonsense anyway.


Addressing your main point

Yes Nothing lasts forever and just being sired to 1 player reduces the value of Tennis on the whole..... you are right!

I am not sired to Federer like that Octobrina was sired to Nadal, I too will change camp when I see a player worthy of that adulation, sadly I don't see anyone in the current gen of upcoming players/the ones who are playing. So no reason to accept a successor until he shows up, let the next champ arrive, we shall have a new hero.

My view on GOAT is simple.

Sampras, Fed and Novak have dominated 3 decades separately and Nadal has dominated Clay on 2 decades alone.
So it is stupid to say 1 is better than another on pure numbers only.

So when players are so diverse I prefer to compare them on their iconic status and declare the obvious choice Fed as the GOAT, thats my opinion, I don't care if Novak fans or Nadal fans don't share that opinion, unless Novak gets a consensus in the media of being greater by the fans on the whole it is impossible to declare him ahead, Fed still remains 1 and there are many who think like me.

Nd sure, when new heroes comes we will follow them too, Tennis doesn't revolve around anyone's records, everyone will perish.
 
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Ah yes, the statistical dominance forcing the legendary status. The only way.
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Everyone intelligent thinks like me, and here is why: if one player is so important, then tennis becomes worthless when that player retires. Fans of Joker think he will win forever, when in fact his career can end at any time. It may be this year, or it may be in 5 years. But if your world revolves around Joker, then you won't watch tennis when he is gone.

Fed fans are already in that boat. Fed is most likely gone now. He was not having much success after a 2nd operation, so the chances of him doing anything in the future besides perhaps eventually playing some exhos for seniors is very slim.

I think Nadal is very close to the end now, so really it's all about Joker now and for as long as he can stay dominant.

One player fans are going to disappear. You won't see much of people like Octobrina because there you have a one player fan. It was all about Rafa.

A lot of people here will disappear when the Big 3 are done.

The rest of us are looking for younger players who are most like the veterans we most enjoyed watching, so those who love tennis and are not totally obsessed with one player are going to be around here for a long time. The one player fans will disappear, but it's not like they ever enjoyed tennis. The were always miserable unless their faves won.

Meanwhile, for me personally Joker's CYGS quest is more interesting than just about anything else right now because I don't see one young player yet who is an obvious future ATG who will attract millions of fans from around the globe. The young guys to me either have severe character defects (Sissy and Zod) or are very likeable young players who just don't have a complete enough game to dominate.

Lightning strikes quickly in tennis. Guys like Borg aren't even seen on the horizon by most people until a year or two before they break through. I don't think anyone saw Mac or Connors breaking through, or Becker, or Edberg, and so on. 20/20 hindsight makes the breakthroughs seem obvious and predictable. But in real time you just don't see it happening.
Fantastic post :)
 
Read my signature a few times, if you do not understand it then read again until you understand the fine print.

It is clearly mentioned that brandvalue among ATG candidates who can stake a claim

Ask Bill Gates to win 20 slams and at least cross Sampras's weeks at 1, then we shall consider him.
Well soon enough we can ask the same question about Federer :D

When he equals Novak in numbers than we shall consider him xD
 
Djokovic winning 21 here would obviously make him goat.
He is the only player to win every slam twice.
Win every masters(also twice)
Has most weeks at #1
Most YE1
Done NCYGS and CYGS.
Is ahead in slams aswell.

Im all for debate but I don’t think it’s much of a argument

Doesn't matter even if he wins 25 if people don't think he is.

People have seen Fed dominate his peak in an imposing way whicch is in their memories and his rivalry with Nadal is also vivid for many, people are aware that Novak in his own peak lost to Murray-Stan type mediocre guys who were no better than Safin-Roddick-Hewitt in ability, now in the absence of next gen talents if Novak is creating records, doesn't mean we have to accept him as the GOAT.

Like I said, not everyone is obsessed with records, records anyone can make if you put these ATGs in some other years of birth separated by some years and you might find different slam count. Put Sampras in 1993 year of birth and you might find Novak retire with 11-12 slams and Sampras on 20+ by the end of his career, so just looking at stats is for noobs, actual greatness is beyond numbers.
 
Doesn't matter even if he wins 25 if people don't think he is.

People have seen Fed dominate his peak in an imposing way whicch is in their memories and his rivalry with Nadal is also vivid for many, people are aware that Novak in his own peak lost to Murray-Stan type mediocre guys who were no better than Safin-Roddick-Hewitt in ability, now in the absence of next gen talents if Novak is creating records, doesn't mean we have to accept him as the GOAT.

Like I said, not everyone is obsessed with records, records anyone can make if you put these ATGs in some other years of birth separated by some years and you might find different slam count. Put Sampras in 1993 year of birth and you might find Novak retire with 11-12 slams and Sampras on 20+ by the end of his career, so just looking at stats is for noobs, actual greatness is beyond numbers.
You are not the people. Or an expert. Sorry mate.
 
Destroyed every record in the book? ROFLMAO !!!

Federer owns the most tennis records with a total of 334, Djokovic is third place with 168.

That's 170 records behind Federer !

Yeah, good luck in trying to match Federer's insane record, let alone breaking it.:D
 
Destroyed every record in the book? ROFLMAO !!!

Federer owns the most tennis records with a total of 334, Djokovic is third place with 168.

That's 170 records behind Federer !

Yeah, good luck in trying to match Federer's insane record, let alone breaking it.:D

How about the records that actually matter? Tell us about that.

Never mind the 4 kids.
 
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