Griekspoor "Rafa and Roger were there and he just came and basically destroyed every record in the book,”

TMF

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Only thing few fed lunatics can care about is how much money Fed has & his popularity and not his accomplishments anymore. Why? Because those records are already taken away.
Yeah, like an impressive 23 consecutive slam semifinals and the rest of his mind-boggling 333 records/streaks are already taken away.:-D
 

Sunny014

Legend
Fed fans then: 20>17, 20>18,20>19

Fed fans now: Being popular >20 or 21 (if 21 happens).


By that Logic agassi>Sampras, Kournikova> Graf, Sugarpova> Serena.

Try harder lunatics :). This forum is full of entertainment.

Like I said, GOAT Race is a popularity contest between ATGs who have a stake on the claim, that is minimum criteria.

Sugarpova./Tiriac/Agassi/Kournikova etc etc are not GOAT level candidates, so they are eliminated.

GOAT Race is between people who were/are slams leader and also lead in weeks at 1, which means they were dominant rulers for a full decade.

Candidate 1 : Sampras, lead most slams in his era 90s and also in weeks at 1
Candidate 2 : Federer, lead most slams in his era 00s and also in weeks at 1
Candidate 3 : Djokovic, leads most slams (tied but he will eventually) in his era 10s and also in weeks at 1
Candidate 4 : Claydal, has not dominated any era/weeks at 1 but he has insane dominance on 1 surface and that puts him as joint slams leader, so he too can be in the race.

No tiriac, no Agassi, no kournikova, no sugarpova, no other inferiors .... only these 4 names (Sorry Rod Laver, Tennis has changed a lot in 50 years).

Among then Fed is the biggest icon, has been the GOAT for 13-14 years now and still has the worldwide consensus.

His solid brandvalue even in 2021 shows he still is 1 even if records are broken, plus it is a caveat that his game is perfect for every era, 90s, wooden racquet era, any era he emerges with 15+ Slams

See it is not even a debate, people like Me and @TMF know who the GOAT is ... and trust me when I say that we are in majority, so unless the consensus changes Novak isn't the GOAT, he might be 2nd as of now but the 1st position is not that easy to take !
 
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Essence of his comments.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
If you click the link then scroll down in has ATP goats and Djokovic is first
GOAT is another topic and we have endless number of threads on this forum.

This thread is about tennis records/streaks and the OP who is a Djoko fanboy posted an article that isn't true. Spreading false information to the tennis community is something that I like to debunk. The fact is Djokovic hasn't destroyed every record in the book when in reality he's a in 3rd with most records held and is VASTLY behind GOAT Federer.
 

DjokoLand

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According to Fed-haters, social media represent the entire tennis fans across the globe.
You mean Fed fans ? It was about all records then Djokovic took masters and YE1. So then it became about weeks at no-1 then Djokovic took that so it became all about Slams then Nadal tied that so it went back to all records and now that Djokovic tied the slams it’s who is more popular or style.
I’m neutral on Fed I agree that he is the one to get most into tennis but unfortunately the GOAT is about records and he’s losing most
 
GOAT is another topic and we have endless number of threads on this forum.

This thread is about tennis records/streaks and the OP who is a Djoko fanboy posted an article that isn't true. Spreading false information to the tennis community is something that I like to debunk. The fact is Djokovic hasn't destroyed every record in the book when in reality he's a in 3rd with most records held and is VASTLY behind GOAT Federer.

He has destroyed every record that matters.

But it is ok, you have Fed's "streaks" to hang on to and admire.
 

Sunny014

Legend
You mean Fed fans ? It was about all records then Djokovic took masters and YE1. So then it became about weeks at no-1 then Djokovic took that so it became all about Slams then Nadal tied that so it went back to all records and now that Djokovic tied the slams it’s who is more popular or style.
I’m neutral on Fed I agree that he is the one to get most into tennis but unfortunately the GOAT is about records and he’s losing most


Djokovic is 5th on the most matches won and most titles won.

Since you are so much into records, why stop at slams? Count every freakin ATP match and see who is ahead.

Novak is 5th in both lists.

Connors leads the list, so statistically Connors is the biggest achiever in Tennis
 

Djokodal Fan

Hall of Fame
Like I said, GOAT Race is a popularity contest between ATGs who have a stake on the claim, that is minimum criteria.

Sugarpova./Tiriac/Agassi/Kournikova etc etc are not GOAT level candidates, so they are eliminated.

GOAT Race is between people who were/are slams leader and also lead in weeks at 1, which means they were dominant rulers for a full decade.

Candidate 1 : Sampras, lead most slams in his era 90s and also in weeks at 1
Candidate 2 : Federer, lead most slams in his era 00s and also in weeks at 1
Candidate 3 : Djokovic, leads most slams (tied but he will eventually) in his era 10s and also in weeks at 1
Candidate 4 : Claydal, has not dominated any era/weeks at 1 but he has insane dominance on 1 surface and that puts him as joint slams leader, so he too can be in the race.

No tiriac, no Agassi, no kournikova, no sugarpova, no other inferiors .... only these 4 names (Sorry Rod Laver, Tennis has changed a lot in 50 years).

Among then Fed is the biggest icon, has been the GOAT for 13-14 years now and still has the worldwide consensus.

His solid brandvalue even in 2021 shows he still is 1 even if records are broken, plus it is a caveat that his game is perfect for every era, 90s, wooden racquet era, any era he emerges with 15+ Slams

See it is not even a debate, people like Me and @TMF know who the GOAT is ... and trust me when I say that we are in majority, so unless the consensus changes Novak isn't the GOAT, he might be 2nd as of now but the 1st position is not that easy to take !
whose criteria is it? Some random internet fed lunatic?

Just putting it out here since you are blind: Agassi was more popular than Pete was. That doesn't make him greater. Pete is greater purely because of his accomplishments.

Novak if he eventually has better numbers than Roger, it won't matter (Novak currently has all the numbers except GS title count where he is tied). You can choose to be blind and nobody can help you.

Keep praying that 21 doesn't happen.
 

Sunny014

Legend
whose criteria is it? Some random internet fed lunatic?

Just putting it out here since you are blind: Agassi was more popular than Pete was. That doesn't make him greater. Pete is greater purely because of his accomplishments.

Novak if he eventually has better numbers than Roger, it won't matter (Novak currently has all the numbers except GS title count where he is tied). You can choose to be blind and nobody can help you.

Keep praying that 21 doesn't happen.

Sameway I feel Lunatics set criteria of slams and weeks at 1 .... but not everyone subscribes to that, Fed fans are most in number globally, so the narrative we decide, not you.

You get a vote just like us, but we are in majority so we form the govt, you are in minority, so be there.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
You can forgive this kid for not knowing much about the inflation era or how to apply the appropriate discount rate to slams and weeks at #1 earned outside the strong era of 2007-13.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Nd why should I pray 21 doesn't happen ?

I don't care whether Novak becomes the GOAT or not, maybe you care a lot but I don't.

My opinion I form as per events, regardless of what those events are, I dont pray for fed or novak or rafa, those type of things you fanatics do ....
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is 5th on the most matches won and most titles won.

Since you are so much into records, why stop at slams? Count every freakin ATP match and see who is ahead.

Novak is 5th in both lists.

Connors leads the list, so statistically Connors is the biggest achiever in Tennis
Most titles Fed has 49 250/500 titles and Djokovic has 24. Nobody cares especially the level of the big 3 about them titles
 

Sunny014

Legend
Most titles Fed has 49 250/500 titles and Djokovic has 24. Nobody cares especially the level of the big 3 about them titles

250-500 also matter, if they did not matter then these players should never play.

It is like having rice for lunch and then saying ohh I could have skipped lunch because rich is starch, well you should not have eaten rice if that is not required to your body, huh ?

Why do players play 250s and 500s if they are so useless???

Every single ATP match is important if you get into stats, you cannot be selective
 

Djokodal Fan

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Djokovic is 5th on the most matches won and most titles won.

Since you are so much into records, why stop at slams? Count every freakin ATP match and see who is ahead.

Novak is 5th in both lists.

Connors leads the list, so statistically Connors is the biggest achiever in Tennis
are you stupid or acting stupid? Just because connors decided to participate in some 250 titles, doesn't make him greater.

Now Citybus can decide to participate in a bunch of 250s and decide to get more titles than Nadal. That won't make him greater.
 

Sunny014

Legend
You can forgive this kid for not knowing much about the inflation era or how to apply the appropriate discount rate to slams and weeks at #1 earned outside the strong era of 2007-13.

Actual strong era IMO was from 2004 till 2015, 08-12 can be considered then strongest of the eras but the years before or after them were pretty strong too, in between 04 to 15 there were 2 weak years, 2006 and 2010, but otherwise it was pretty good.

2016 onwards Tennis became nonsense, weak eras kicked in....
 
250-500 also matter, if they did not matter then these players should never play.

It is like having rice for lunch and then saying ohh I could have skipped lunch because rich is starch, well you should not have eaten rice if that is not required to your body, huh ?

Why do players play 250s and 500s if they are so useless???

Every single ATP match is important if you get into stats, you cannot be selective

All Fed has left lol.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Actual strong era IMO was from 2004 till 2015, 08-12 can be considered then strongest of the eras but the years before or after them were pretty strong too, in between 04 to 15 there were 2 weak years, 2006 and 2010, but otherwise it was pretty good.

2016 onwards Tennis became nonsense, weak eras kicked in....

If you argue that 2004 or 06 were strong years, then you have to grant 2014-15 to Nole too, but I grant neither
 

Sunny014

Legend
are you stupid or acting stupid? Just because connors decided to participate in some 250 titles, doesn't make him greater.

Now Citybus can decide to participate in a bunch of 250s and decide to get more titles than Nadal. That won't make him greater.

I am anyday more intelligent than you and your ilk even if I decide to act, thats because you and your friends are actually stupid and hypocritical. Thats why you are so desperate to put Novak at 1 that you have to disregard Jimmy Connors's achievements.

Connors is 1 on overall stats and Novak is at 5 - Deal with it.
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
250-500 also matter, if they did not matter then these players should never play.

It is like having rice for lunch and then saying ohh I could have skipped lunch because rich is starch, well you should not have eaten rice if that is not required to your body, huh ?

Why do players play 250s and 500s if they are so useless???

Every single ATP match is important if you get into stats, you cannot be selective
Well actually look at Djokodal they rarely play 250’s at all. Players play them that are ranked lower and want points or a title
 

Sunny014

Legend
If you argue that 2004 or 06 were strong years, then you have to grant 2014-15 to Nole too, but I grant neither

2004 had Safin+Fed stop Agassi from vulturing AO, FO was weak, W final was pretty strong, both of them were heavyweights, USO final was Fed at his pristine best and Hewitt was pretty good that whole year and after that but Federer stopped him in almost every slam in 04-05. With Fed, Safin, Agassi, Roddick and Hewitt performing at the top level in 04-05 how can it be weak ? 06 was pretty weak but in 07 Novak and Rafa stepped up and Tennis was back in shape, then in 08-09 Fed weakened a bit and Rafa strengtened, then in 10 it was weak, then in 11-12 all3 were good, 13 fed weakened but dal-novak were there, 14 dal weakened but Fed raised...so you see. levels were sustained by players..... Just like 04-05 I consider 14-15 as strong too, Dal was absent but Fed stepped up and Stan+Moorey also were there, the year was strong.

The weak phase of tennis was from 00-03 and from 16 ending till now.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Well actually look at Djokodal they rarely play 250’s at all. Players play them that are ranked lower and want points or a title

Lower ranked, Higher ranked etc etc is for nerds.
Common public doesn't take all that into account, matches are matches.

IF I start take such stuffs into account and disregard lower ranked players then I would be a hypocrite. Every opponent is an opponent, period!
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
According to fed fans you mean
You mean Fed fans ? It was about all records then Djokovic took masters and YE1. So then it became about weeks at no-1 then Djokovic took that so it became all about Slams then Nadal tied that so it went back to all records and now that Djokovic tied the slams it’s who is more popular or style.
I’m neutral on Fed I agree that he is the one to get most into tennis but unfortunately the GOAT is about records and he’s losing most
You guys brought up social media, not tennis fans.

I have no problem with Djokovic has many records, but I just want to point out the fallacy that his fanatics are claiming he "destroyed every record in the book" when in fact he's WAY behind Federer.

There's nothing wrong with being popular, sportsmanship, role model..etc. When an athlete transcend the game on/off the court, it's good for the sport.
Does a GOAT(e.g. Michael Jordan) are not allow to be a great person or intangible quality? There's nothing wrong with having both.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Sameway I feel Lunatics set criteria of slams and weeks at 1 .... but not everyone subscribes to that, Fed fans are most in number globally, so the narrative we decide, not you.

You get a vote just like us, but we are in majority so we form the govt, you are in minority, so be there.
Exactly. Records only matter to Djoker fans when he has them.

Had Nole won the Gold medal in the Olympics this year, they would sing a different tune about the important of tennis achievement in the Olympics.
 
Exactly. Records only matter to Djoker fans when he has them.

Had Nole won the Gold medal in the Olympics this year, they would sing a different tune about the important of tennis achievement in the Olympics.

Kind of like Fed's fans held on to the number of GS titles when Fed's record seemed unreachable? Got you ;)
 
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Deleted member 748597

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Exactly. Records only matter to Djoker fans when he has them.

Had Nole won the Gold medal in the Olympics this year, they would sing a different tune about the important of tennis achievement in the Olympics.
Actually no. I wouldn't have used the OG in the debate even if he won it.
 
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Deleted member 748597

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Don't need to use it. Here they are talking about the "most accomplished" tennis player yet he does not even have all the master titles.

I do know a guy who does, in fact he won each at least twice. You may have heard of him.
I didn't read much of a discussion. Mostly irrelevant rubbish from some Fed fans who cannot face reality.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Actually no. I wouldn't have used the OG in the debate even if he won it.
Not you, but based on so many gibberish posts by his fanatics, I know they will elevate the OG had Nole won this year. They were dreaming about Nole's potential matching Graf Golden Slam in 1988. Now that it's over, the OG means nothing to them.
 
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