Grievance Cost $100?

I wanted to file a grievance against another player in our USTA league and was told that it cost $100?

As a captain, I've never filed a grievance before.

Is this true?

The USTA rep stated we needed to pay $100, list the reasons we felt this way and the other team would have a chance to rebuttal the claim and we could lose the $100 if we lost the grievance.

What happened to computer generated dynamics? Isn't the computer suppose to do this every match?
 

struggle

Legend
I've no idea what it might cost here in NC but some sort of fee sounds reasonable to keep the number of grievances down, perhaps. It sounds like you get your money back if you "win"?

Not saying I agree there should be a fee, just that I can possibly understand that approach.
 
I agree with a fee because the grievances would be crazy w/o one. But $100? Im in Indiana btw.

If a grievance is $100, then why do we need the computer dynamics? It seems useless if the computer is not automatically dq or bumping these players. Just my 2 cents.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I agree with a fee because the grievances would be crazy w/o one. But $100? Im in Indiana btw.

If a grievance is $100, then why do we need the computer dynamics? It seems useless if the computer is not automatically dq or bumping these players. Just my 2 cents.

it is a way for USTA to make some cash.
 

woodrow1029

Hall of Fame
I believe it's $25 in NorCal.

They need to charge a fee, because there would be a ton of grievances if there was no fee. Obviously, it is refunded if the grievance is won..
 

schmke

Legend
I agree with a fee because the grievances would be crazy w/o one. But $100? Im in Indiana btw.

If a grievance is $100, then why do we need the computer dynamics? It seems useless if the computer is not automatically dq or bumping these players. Just my 2 cents.

The computer catching it depends on the situation. Grievances are typically filed in situations where the computer can't or isn't likely to catch it.

One example is someone that self-rates incorrectly. In theory the computer could catch this in their self-rate year if their results are well above the top of their level and they get three strikes, but particularly at lower levels the tolerance is awfully high and it is pretty hard to get strikes if you don't play up, so the computer has a hard time identifying these. IMHO, the thresholds for strikes are too high.

But if someone isn't in their self-rate year and has a C/B rating, by definition the computer won't catch them as there are no strikes/DQs for C/B rated players. But grievances can still be filed against these players and I've heard of a couple in the past few weeks where grievances against these players was successful.

So there is a role for grievances, but like others have said, it also makes sense for there to be some fee, otherwise you'd have an influx of invalid and retaliatory grievances being filed.

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NTRP Ratings FAQ
 

struggle

Legend
I agree with a fee because the grievances would be crazy w/o one. But $100? Im in Indiana btw.

If a grievance is $100, then why do we need the computer dynamics? It seems useless if the computer is not automatically dq or bumping these players. Just my 2 cents.

If it's a first year/self rate player.....it's not as easy perhaps but I do know that self-rates do get dq/bumped in my area. Not sure if it's due to filed grievances or just periodic computer work.
 

schmke

Legend
If it's a first year/self rate player.....it's not as easy perhaps but I do know that self-rates do get dq/bumped in my area. Not sure if it's due to filed grievances or just periodic computer work.

Sure, the computer does catch those that have results that are clearly above level as there are three strike DQs that take place fairly often.

The problem is that those that deliberately self-rate too low are usually the ones that know (or have a captain that knows) that they need to avoid getting strikes and do all the can to reduce the risk of them. Again, I think the tolerances are too low so this is easier to do than it should be, but given that current state, grievances are another way to root these players out.
 

jdubbs

Hall of Fame
Its very expensive to pay the Federer's and Djokovic's those monstrous first place prizes at the US Open.
We gotta fund it somehow.
 

Orange

Rookie
Sure, the computer does catch those that have results that are clearly above level as there are three strike DQs that take place fairly often.

The problem is that those that deliberately self-rate too low are usually the ones that know (or have a captain that knows) that they need to avoid getting strikes and do all the can to reduce the risk of them. Again, I think the tolerances are too low so this is easier to do than it should be, but given that current state, grievances are another way to root these players out.

i agree completely.

Also, grievances can be filed without waiting for a player to play three matches if the player clearly lied on a self-rating form. One of my opponents had played five years earlier on a varsity high school tennis team that had gone to post-season play, so her minimum rating should have been 3.5, not 3.0. She played only tournaments, which don't affect NTRP ratings in my state, so the only way for her to have been disqualified and therefore moved up would have been for someone to file a grievance.

As a team captain, I always encourage my players to tell the truth on self-rating forms and then to marshall all the facts for an appeal.
 
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chatt_town

Hall of Fame
It should cost. I'm glad they do that. It will stop a lot of BS. People will file one every match if they are sore losers. This was alta but a vp spent 6 hours researching some 50 year old men that beat two guys 5 and 5 along with like 3 other players on the team including myself(which was stupid). They were from Forsyth so I'm pretty sure something else was behind them filing.lol The point is people will file for no good reason and then the officials have no choice but to research the issue. So charging people a 100 bucks and then telling them that if their filing is B.S then they lose the 100 bucks if they are full of it...that is great. You better have your stuff together when you file. You can't file just because you can't return the man's kick serve.lol


I wanted to file a grievance against another player in our USTA league and was told that it cost $100?

As a captain, I've never filed a grievance before.

Is this true?

The USTA rep stated we needed to pay $100, list the reasons we felt this way and the other team would have a chance to rebuttal the claim and we could lose the $100 if we lost the grievance.

What happened to computer generated dynamics? Isn't the computer suppose to do this every match?
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
If the person has a computer rated rating...you are wasting your time anyway. People only get bumped once a year or twice in Ga(aug and dec). I'd keep my money if it's based on you just think they are too good. They may be but the computer won't bump them unless their scores are out of touch with the level they are playing. Your personal opinion is subjective like anyone elses. You make the guy is 4.5....JRB may thnk he's 3.75. :) So why should they dq someone based on one person's rationale?


I agree with a fee because the grievances would be crazy w/o one. But $100? Im in Indiana btw.

If a grievance is $100, then why do we need the computer dynamics? It seems useless if the computer is not automatically dq or bumping these players. Just my 2 cents.
 
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