Grip for Straight Arm forehand

I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)
Nadal uses a straight arm with a strong semi-western grip. Seems to work for him.
 

haqq777

Legend
I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)
I know this isn't the answer you want but what you are talking about is a technique element that is non essential, really. If you are a UTR 11 you are already a pretty decent player. Instead of revamping your forehand, I would recommend fine tuning on what has gotten you this far. Straight arm looks pretty but if you are used to a double bend, at your level you will have less work to do keeping it that way, to work on increasing power and spin like you need.

You should focus on elements, like using body effectively, keeping loose and relaxed, keeping the swing path, finishing swing properly etc. These are all factors that impact your ability to play your best possible tennis, as opposed to whether you keep a straight arm at ball contact or not.

Also, I think it has more to do with what naturally comes to you without thinking too much about it. Rafa has a straight arm by the way, and he uses a semi-western. Depends on the individual.

Hope that helps.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
I know this isn't the answer you want but what you are talking about is a technique element that is non essential, really. If you are a UTR 11 you are already a pretty decent player. Instead of revamping your forehand, I would recommend fine tuning on what has gotten you this far. Straight arm looks pretty but if you are used to a double bend, at your level you will have less work to do keeping it that way, to work on increasing power and spin like you need.

What do you mean exactly by double bend?
I've never seen anyone with two elbows on one arm.
 

paulorenzo

Hall of Fame
I know this isn't the answer you want but what you are talking about is a technique element that is non essential, really. If you are a UTR 11 you are already a pretty decent player. Instead of revamping your forehand, I would recommend fine tuning on what has gotten you this far. Straight arm looks pretty but if you are used to a double bend, at your level you will have less work to do keeping it that way, to work on increasing power and spin like you need.

You should focus on elements, like using body effectively, keeping loose and relaxed, keeping the swing path, finishing swing properly etc. These are all factors that impact your ability to play your best possible tennis, as opposed to whether you keep a straight arm at ball contact or not.

Also, I think it has more to do with what naturally comes to you without thinking too much about it. Rafa has a straight arm by the way, and he uses a semi-western. Depends on the individual.

Hope that helps.

Fair point. Its worth noting that both Federer and Nadal transitioned from more traditional double bends to straight arm around OP’s age. To counter my own point, it was probably a natural progression in botch cases.


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I know this isn't the answer you want but what you are talking about is a technique element that is non essential, really. If you are a UTR 11 you are already a pretty decent player. Instead of revamping your forehand, I would recommend fine tuning on what has gotten you this far. Straight arm looks pretty but if you are used to a double bend, at your level you will have less work to do keeping it that way, to work on increasing power and spin like you need.

You should focus on elements, like using body effectively, keeping loose and relaxed, keeping the swing path, finishing swing properly etc. These are all factors that impact your ability to play your best possible tennis, as opposed to whether you keep a straight arm at ball contact or not.

Also, I think it has more to do with what naturally comes to you without thinking too much about it. Rafa has a straight arm by the way, and he uses a semi-western. Depends on the individual.

Hope that helps.
Thank you for your response. Yes I am a relatively high level junior, but I am looking to play more offensively to become a division 1 player. Gaining an entire point requires you to be pretty liberal in terms of breaking things down in my opinion. Also, the transition from double bent to straight arm can be done for sure. Look at Zverev’s recent development.
 

Dragy

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I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)
Why exactly you ask? What’s your current grip?
 

paulorenzo

Hall of Fame
Thank you for your response. Yes I am a relatively high level junior, but I am looking to play more offensively to become a division 1 player. Gaining an entire point requires you to be pretty liberal in terms of breaking things down in my opinion. Also, the transition from double bent to straight arm can be done for sure. Look at Zverev’s recent development.

If youre already using a semi western or eastern or in between, one thing worth trying is keeping your grip but practice hitting more in front and or farther away from your body allowing your arm to slowly get used to straightening out over time


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grzewas

Semi-Pro
I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)
You should use two handed forehand if you want to make progress.
 

paulorenzo

Hall of Fame
Classic TW thread. Guy asks legitimate question, people don't know answer but feel the urge to say something, so they skirt the question, change the topic, or tell OP the question is dumb.

Love it here.

J

Guy breaking the 4th wall fulfills his need to say something about people’s thread tendencies on talk tennis topics

Aftwards we’ll have someone mention something trending in the forums

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giantschwinn

Semi-Pro
I don't think OP is UTR 11. An UTR 11 won't be asking this question. All he needs to do is try hitting with straight arm on a western grip and he will know it's not possible.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend

OK thanks.

So then if you have a single-bend FH you always need to stipulate whether it is a
wrist single-bend FH or an elbow single-bend FH because each are possible.

Make sense?
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
OK thanks.

So then if you have a single-bend FH you always need to stipulate whether it is a
wrist single-bend FH or an elbow single-bend FH because each are possible.

Make sense?
Don't know, you asked what double bend meant. Just telling you what poster meant by it.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
OK thanks.

So then if you have a single-bend FH you always need to stipulate whether it is a
wrist single-bend FH or an elbow single-bend FH because each are possible.

Make sense?
I don’t think there is such a thing as an elbow single-bend forehand. If the elbow is bent, then the wrist has to be bent too.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
I don’t think there is such a thing as an elbow single-bend forehand. If the elbow is bent, then the wrist has to be bent too.

I just did an experiment with my racket just now.
Yes, an elbow single-bend forehand is very possible (confirmed).
You just need to use a continental grip.
 

ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
You just don’t decide to hit with a straight arm. That would be like Federer deciding to hit a 2hbh by just putting his left hand on the racquet. Try hitting a 2hbh without rotating the upper body through the shot. It won’t work. A straight arm forehand is a completely different stroke than bent arm and will take major changes. Like someone else said, stick with what is working so far. But if you must change it up, what do we care. It is fun learning a new stroke.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
You just don’t decide to hit with a straight arm. That would be like Federer deciding to hit a 2hbh by just putting his left hand on the racquet. Try hitting a 2hbh without rotating the upper body through the shot. It won’t work. A straight arm forehand is a completely different stroke than bent arm and will take major changes. Like someone else said, stick with what is working so far. But if you must change it up, what do we care. It is fun learning a new stroke.

What's the difference?

J
 

Faris

Professional
I just did an experiment with my racket just now.
Yes, an elbow single-bend forehand is very possible (confirmed).
You just need to use a continental grip.
What are the chances OP is a 17 year old using a conti grip? And that too such a pretty awkward looking one.. :unsure:
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
The OP only has a month or two before the last D1 scholarships are handed out, so he doesn’t have much time. He will have to get the switch to a straight-arm forehand figured out fast, so that he can ride the huge new forehand to his full ride.
 

FiReFTW

Legend
My conclusion from reading this thread is, that OP must be confused as hell reading all the posts, more than he was before making this thread.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
From the first hit:

Biomechanically speaking the bent-arm forehand is almost always better than a straight-arm forehand.
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Why?

Because a bent arm forehand brings your contact point closer to your core which is a stronger more balanced position. From here your body can twist, turn, tilt and adjust all at the same time without causing resistance in your kinetic chain. The result is a fluid, relaxed and stable forehand stroke that is less injury prone.
 

pencilcheck

Hall of Fame
I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)
You seems to have some idea about it already coming in, the question you ask has a lot of assumption and prejudice.

Reading between the words, I guess maybe you have a disagreement with your coach, not sure about the details. Maybe someone told you something that straight arm is better for your game but you don't believe them. Or maybe you heard someone said eastern grip is better suited for straight arm but you are doing something that disapprove that statement and you just want some confirmation here in this forum.

I'm not sure, but I think that you are asking with an ulterior motive. I really don't care who you are proving this to but you should be asking for your own self not for the sake of arguments.

My answer to all your questions are follows:
1. straight arm or bent arm, it depends on how you hit, so whether it is eastern or more extreme it is not the right or relevant question to ask. I currently use 3/4 western grip for a relatively straight arm swing path. If you need an analogy with more famous pros, it might be closer to how Nadal/Murray do their forehand.
2. your goal is to be better at your competition, I guess you are not happy with your forehand, perhaps you want to hit winners but you generate too much spin so the ball doesn't travel fast enough. I would guess you think maybe straight arm might be better to increase that power and spin. I would say that that is also not the right question to ask, arm/shoulder are just one part of the swing, it is actually not the most decisive muscle groups that would give you what you want. I think you should think a bit more and ask better question.

Just my 2 cents. Hope this makes sense.
 

Faris

Professional
From the first hit:
This is the first hit for me and answers the question about difference between the two..super easy which anyone could have done (which was my point really)..




Honestly the Pat Cash article is pretty good too and explains in even more detail the differences and with visual aid.. in the end though, about one being superior than the other, that's his opinion like he states himself..
 

pencilcheck

Hall of Fame
This is the first hit for me and answers the question about difference between the two..super easy which anyone could have done (which was my point really)..




Honestly the Pat Cash article is pretty good too and explains in even more detail the differences and with visual aid.. in the end though, about one being superior than the other, that's his opinion like he states himself..
I think most people either hasn’t done it or seen the article but didn’t like or agree with the explanation
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
What are the chances OP is a 17 year old using a conti grip? And that too such a pretty awkward looking one.. :unsure:
My reply was not intended to address anything the OP said.
It was simply a branch in the discussion. :)


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Faris

Professional
My reply was not intended to address anything the OP said.
It was simply a branch in the discussion. :)


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Never said your reply was intended for the OP...

I was just clearly wondering about the likelihood of a 17 year old, allegedly UTR 11, hitting with a bent elbow and straight wrist holding racquet with a continental grip. That is what you said is possible, right? Paints a very awkward picture in my mind and I have never seen someone hit like that, even old school players. I don't see anyone playing and being successful like that in the modern game either... so the terms double bend and straight arm makes perfect sense to me. That is where you picked a tangent on this entire discussion asking about two elbows on one arm, hence my comment :)
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Never said your reply was intended for the OP...

I was just clearly wondering about the likelihood of a 17 year old, allegedly UTR 11, hitting with a bent elbow and straight wrist holding racquet with a continental grip. That is what you said is possible, right? Paints a very awkward picture in my mind and I have never seen someone hit like that, even old school players. I don't see anyone playing and being successful like that in the modern game either... so the terms double bend and straight arm makes perfect sense to me. That is where you picked a tangent on this entire discussion asking about two elbows on one arm, hence my comment :)
I absolutely agree that today you would virtually never see a player with a bent elbow and straight wrist, but in the old days I'd wager you would be able to find a fair number.
 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
Classic TW thread. Guy asks legitimate question, people don't know answer but feel the urge to say something, so they skirt the question, change the topic, or tell OP the question is dumb.

Love it here.

J
All we have to do is start marking everything as a duplicate question and closing, and we'll be just like StackOverflow.
 
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5263

G.O.A.T.
I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)
where did you get the idea that the straight arm was better for spin or power? All the biggest recorded Fhs have been bent arm Fh players and while Nadal gets major spin, it way more about his more vertical swing and being more of a "dropping ball" hitter.
 

sanister

Professional
Classic TW thread. Guy asks legitimate question, people don't know answer but feel the urge to say something, so they skirt the question, change the topic, or tell OP the question is dumb.

Love it here.

J
As opposed to your contribution to this thread so far? Atleast everyone who has posted is trying to help.Get off that high horse Jolly.
 

EP1998

Semi-Pro
I am a competitive junior player (17 y/o utr 11) and I am looking to develop a straight arm forehand to increase the power and spin on my forehand. Can anybody explain why the straight arm is better suited for more eastern grips or less severe semi western grips? (Delpo, Rublev, Federer, Janowicz, etc)

Maybe look for an old school coach. Definitely being able to hit through the ball more and flatten it out when you need it is a good thing to focus on - this can be done with a bent forehand too though. A ton of hand feeds will help especially from the mid court. I know someone with an incredible straight arm forehand, he is a fairly tall and strong guy like a Federer or Berdych. It is a weapon and differentiated him in college (he played 1 as a freshman). In any case getting variety on your forehand is never a bad thing.
 
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