Groundstroke analysis :)

[Georgiepie27]

Hi all, anyone got any pointers or tips for my groundstrokes? I have put them all in a short video

Any tips appreciated!

sunny vibez

youtube.com

 

[nyta2]

stop looking at where the ball is going... cuz if you are, you're not actually watching the ball into contact

 

[Fintft]

stop looking at where the ball is going... cuz if you are, you're not actually watching the ball into contact

And you get unballanced.

 

[Fintft]

stop looking at where the ball is going... cuz if you are, you're not actually watching the ball into contact

Plus if you keep eyes at contact through contact:

1. You relax more (as you don't pay attention to your opponent except in your peripherial vision).
2. You disguise your shots better.

 

[eah123]

These strokes look good to me. It would be better to see how you perform in practice points or match play.

 

[nunos]

A little short this video to judge anything

 

[Digital Atheist]

Hi all, anyone got any pointers or tips for my groundstrokes? I have put them all in a short video

Any tips appreciated!

sunny vibez

youtube.com

Looks good, but agree point play would reveal more. If you don't want to burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity, then here is my one big tip:

 

[Pride]

Looks good, but agree point play would reveal more. If you don't want to burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity, then here is my one big tip:

Now i understand why no one watches the videos i send to them.

 

[optic yellow]

Looks good, but agree point play would reveal more. If you don't want to burn in a lake of fire for all of eternity, then here is my one big tip:

I am pretty sure it is standard for YT shorts to be vertical rather than horizontal, not that I disagree with the message of the PSA.

 

[johnmccabe]

Hi all, anyone got any pointers or tips for my groundstrokes? I have put them all in a short video

Any tips appreciated!

sunny vibez

youtube.com

taking videos from behind and from the hitting side during normal slow pace rally will be more helpful for identifying problems.
really like your serve motion.
can't spot anything on forehand side at this speed. More experienced eyes will probably catch somethings.
2 handed backhand ideally needs to finish with racquet butt cap pointing at the side fence. A fuller swing.
overall you seems to hit pretty flat. If you want more topspin from both sides, try dropping racquet head further below the handle before swinging forward.

 

[pencilcheck]

Hi all, anyone got any pointers or tips for my groundstrokes? I have put them all in a short video

Any tips appreciated!

sunny vibez

youtube.com

you are doing very good already but if you want to try something different: hit with your abs more, straighten up your abs on contact and imagine your abs move the whole body up.

 

[Digital Atheist]

I am pretty sure it is standard for YT shorts to be vertical rather than horizontal, not that I disagree with the message of the PSA.

You are correct but I did my due diligence and am referring to the full URL, which I always go to since you can't frame advance shorts:

 

[optic yellow]

You are correct but I did my due diligence and am referring to the full URL, which I always go to since you can't frame advance shorts:

I meant that it was filmed with being a short in mind.

 

[TennisCJC]

Looks like you have good coaching so not sure if you need advice from TT. You look like you lose a little racket head speed on the serve. Think of hitting max speed around contact. Smooth take back on the serve at say speed 3 or 4, then when you begin to loop down and up to contact, think of accelerating up to speed 8 at contact. Be brave and accelerate on both 1st and 2nd serves but use more spin on 2nd serves to get safety.

 

[matterer]

Your torso is really stiff on the forehand and backhand. Your body should remain loose and relaxed on groundstrokes. If you don't remain loose you will never be able to play with the fluidity and grace of the Swiss Maestro.

 

[Chas Tennis]

Instructions for Comparing Stroke Videos. You can compare your strokes single frame and one above the other in this post using a laptop. To single frame on Youtube, stop video and use the period & comma keys. To select a video place cursor on video and use the alt key + the left mouse click. Otherwise, the video starts playing when you select it. You can go full screen and come back down and the video stays on the same frame. Start at impacts on both videos and move back and forth comparing racket positions in most similar positions. For most accurate comparisons, find very similar camera angles (find better videos). (It's easiest to find a model for a stroke with videos and then record your stroke from the same camera angles.) I'm just posting the videos one above the other to do this and following the instructions above. You can find what you consider model strokes and find better videos and make your own comparisons. List all differences that you see.

Your video recording rate is OK for ground strokes in the above video. 240 fps is very good for the serve. Some smart phones have high speed video. ?

The first difference I see on your forehand is that maybe your upper arm tilts down at too much of an angle. ? That slows down the racket head speed by making the radius out from your uppermost body smaller. The rotation axes are the spine neck area & later also the shoulder joint. I don't have statistics on what is being done in the WTA regarding that upper arm angle, but check some WTA forehands and see if you find your upper arm angle being used. Halep & Swiatek have their upper arms extend out farther than you do.

Another difference is that you have racket face open at contact. ATP impacts are consistently closed at impact.
Search: tennisspeed blog Djokovic forehand

Look well down in this long article for pictures of racket face angle at impact.

TennisSpeed Research: A Roadmap to a Hall-of-Fame Forehand - Part 9: An Anatomical Comparison of the Federer and Djokovic Forehands

tennisspeedresearch.blogspot.com

Djokovic racket face closed.

Federer racket face closed.

I have not studied the two hand backhand very much. You might compare yours to players in a compilation of WTA backhands. (I did not find a compilation.)

Your serve toss is high and that affects the time between toss release and impact.

On the serve, your arm looks too upright at impact compared to the ATP players that I've looked at. ? At impact, ATP players have their body and arm tilted more forward than you. On the other hand, Karolina Pliskova, a top lady server, is very upright too. ? Also, I looked at many ATP players and the majority were not looking at the ball at impact, they break off just before impact. Some are looking at impact. I believe that looking at the ball impact limits how your neck and head can move. But watching impact is an option.



Stosur seems to have her head on its side, at least for her strong kick serves.

You have good strokes. What is your background?

 

[Digital Atheist]

You can compare your strokes single frame and one above the other in this post using a laptop. To single frame on Youtube, stop video and use the period & comma keys. To select a video place cursor on video and use the alt key + the left mouse click. Otherwise, the video starts playing when you select it. You can go full screen and come back down and the video stays on the same frame. Start at impacts on both videos and move back and forth comparing racket positions in most similar positions. For most accurate comparisons, find very similar camera angles (find better videos). (It's easiest to find a model for a stroke with videos and then record your stroke from the same camera angles.) I'm just posting the videos one above the other to do this and following the instructions above. You can find what you consider model strokes and find better videos and make your own comparisons. List all differences that you see.

Your video recording rate is OK for ground strokes in the above video. 240 fps is very good for the serve. Some smart phones have high speed video. ?

The first difference I see on your forehand is that maybe your upper arm tilts down at too much of an angle. ? That slows down the racket head speed by making the radius out from your uppermost body smaller. The rotation axes are the spine neck area & later also the shoulder joint. I don't have statistics on what is being done in the WTA regarding that upper arm angle, but check some WTA forehands and see if you find your upper arm angle being used. Halep & Swiatek have their upper arms extend out farther than you do.

Another difference is that you have racket face open at contact. ATP impacts are consistently closed at impact.
Search: tennisspeed blog Djokovic forehand

Look well down in this long article for pictures of racket face angle at impact.

TennisSpeed Research: A Roadmap to a Hall-of-Fame Forehand - Part 9: An Anatomical Comparison of the Federer and Djokovic Forehands

tennisspeedresearch.blogspot.com

Djokovic racket face closed.

Federer racket face closed.

I have not studied the two hand backhand very much. You might compare yours to players in a compilation of WTA backhands. (I did not find a compilation.)

Your serve toss is high and that affects the time between toss release and impact.

On the serve, your arm looks too upright at impact compared to the ATP players that I've looked at. ? At impact, ATP players have their body and arm tilted more forward than you. On the other hand, Karolina Pliskova, a top lady server, is very upright too. ? Also, I looked at many ATP players and the majority were not looking at the ball at impact, they break off just before impact. Some are looking at impact. I believe that looking at the ball impact limits how your neck and head can move. But watching impact is an option.



Stosur seems to have her head on its side, at least for her strong kick serves.

You have good strokes. What is your background?

Serve thread here:

Serving tips / advice?

https://youtube.com/shorts/13F7Co7DY_0?feature=share This is my serve, side on and from the back. Some days itll be great then the next consistency can be a struggle. Anyone got any tips on how I can improve? :) much appreciated

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[pencilcheck]

chas tennis finally switched his examples to another video, this will probably take another 5 years before he switch to another example

 

[Pumpkin]

Looks like very high level strokes to me. I can't see anything that needs correcting.

 

[Chas Tennis]

chas tennis finally switched his examples to another video, this will probably take another 5 years before he switch to another example

Forehand Separation. Djokovic is a perfect example for forehand separation. The Djokovic video that I post 3 times a day is here to stay for the 2020s. I'm still looking for a video of his full out separation shots that he uses in matches. His flexibility shows along with maximum separation in matches.

Two Hand Backhand. I have not studied the 2 hand backhand so no best example videos & not much to say.

One Hand Backhand Thread. That thread has the sub-motions that the best ATP 1HBH players are using. Several players are doing the same set of sub-motions. I just go to that thread and pick a 1HBH video, not Federer's or F. Lopez's because they do not 'chest press'.

I use that Djokovic forehand frequently as a reference. It is more of a moderate forehand relative to his max match forehands. I use stroke videos, that I'm familiar with, very frequently as references, because you can never remember everything about a tennis stroke.

Many of the readers here are new and have not seen the Djokovic video. Sorry to the regulars... If readers study it they will see what is being discussed. I'm still looking for things that I've missed in that video.

Single frame advance use period & comma keys.

The OP could use it as well.

 

[Chas Tennis]

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On the forehand the OP is not using her off arm as usually the ATP players do. (She also did not use her off arm in her serve.)

The off arm is up, held straight and accelerated starting a little before the forward swing starts. This builds up speed and momentum in the off arm. When it is then pulled in it adds speed to the uppermost body turn.

This can be demonstrated and felt. No high speeds. Take the position of the arm up and out as for the player turned back - like the Djokovic thumbnail in the video below. Accelerate the upper arm to speed first, then uppermost body forward starts, and pull the arm in as for a forehand ATP player. See Djokovic video below. If your abdominal muscles are not locked you can feel some acceleration added to the turn of the uppermost body. You could hold a 1lb dumbbell or can of soup to help feel the momentum transfer.

First, compare off arm use for forehand.

The same momentum transfer principle applies to bringing the off arm down & in for the serve.

 

[Digital Atheist]

(She also did not use her off arm in her serve.)

Yes I know, and still looks to be the same issue, but at least she is aware.

Serving tips / advice?

https://youtube.com/shorts/13F7Co7DY_0?feature=share This is my serve, side on and from the back. Some days itll be great then the next consistency can be a struggle. Anyone got any tips on how I can improve? :) much appreciated

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[Digital Atheist]

I meant that it was filmed with being a short in mind.

Gotcha. Just when I thought YT couldn't get much worse they introduce this crap, and force vertical video into the bargain ... ugh! If the YT execs weren't already burning in a lake of fire upon their death, they surely are now. And I blame TikTok.

 

[optic yellow]

Gotcha. Just when I thought YT couldn't get much worse they introduce this crap, and force vertical video into the bargain ... ugh! If the YT execs weren't already burning in a lake of fire upon their death, they surely are now. And I blame TikTok.

preach