Grunting

How frequently do you grunt?

  • Never

    Votes: 2 100.0%
  • Seldom

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Only when you feel needed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Frequently

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    2

All Court

Rookie
He never said he was screaming, Bungalo. ;)

Grunting doesn't have to be the loud, obnoxious screams people think it is. More often than not, grunting IS the product of exhaling. That's what's supposed to happen when people grunt.

A lot of people can exhale just fine when swinging the ball, and they dont have to vocalize it. For other people, grunting is just a side effect.

You should never try to grunt to attempt to force an exhale or for the sole purpose of doing it, but it's just what happens for many. So why are people so hostile towards it?

I don't grunt personally, but it never bothers me when people do. It's blown out of proportion.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
All Court said:
He never said he was screaming, Bungalo. ;)

Grunting doesn't have to be the loud, obnoxious screams people think it is. More often than not, grunting IS the product of exhaling. That's what's supposed to happen when people grunt.

A lot of people can exhale just fine when swinging the ball, and they dont have to vocalize it. For other people, grunting is just a side effect.

You should never try to grunt to attempt to force an exhale or for the sole purpose of doing it, but it's just what happens for many. So why are people so hostile towards it?

I don't grunt personally, but it never bothers me when people do. It's blown out of proportion.
And you need to read more posts. I said I didnt have a problem with moaning or groaning for rythym.

Loud unnecessary voicetrous noises is not right. It is an uncessary distraction for the other player. Players are not allowed to distract another players ability to concentrate. A player does not need to enroll in special concentration classes just to "block" out someone who is belting out their "breathing" technique.

Something like what Guga does is not bothering to me. But if I was playing Shara-screamer-pova, I would be all over that umpire.

It is not blown out of porportion. Grunting has been blown out of porportion. If it doesnt matter to you - great! You can move on. But it could bother someone else and that is not fair.

I am more then happy to debate this because I am one that wants this banned. I dont want this to go on a personal insult level. I think we can argue without that.

As you can tell I dont like it, it is not necessary, and anyone saying that they NEED to yell to hit a ball, is sadly mistaken.
 

All Court

Rookie
I'm sorry, my response wasn't directly pointed against you, it's just my point of view. The only part I was intentionally aiming for you was on the first sentence. :D

Gruntapova is something else. But on a quick note, the people watching her matches don't seem very perturbed, ever. It's more than likely everything is very much amplified for the TV and recordings. Of course, it could be that it's not, but oh well.

Bungalo Bill said:
As you can tell I dont like it, it is not necessary, and anyone saying that they NEED to yell to hit a ball, is sadly mistaken.
Gotta agree with you. :D

The deep breathing that people need and relaxes naturally is breathing from the chest, sort of. When the vocalizing/grunting happens, the cause (USUALLY) is because you're not breathing from the chest.

As a result, the grunt often carries no benefit. The "exhaling for power" thing often doesn't work, because what is supposed to give the "power" is the relaxation of muscles through contact...supported by the deep, chest breathing. The same deep breathing helps relax during points, and should always be done when someone has time.

But for the majority of the same screamers...I gotta go with your opinion, Bill. :D
 

joe sch

Legend
Sharapova at 110 db's can be pretty annoying, just like Seles was. Im just saying that until grunting at xx db's is dissallowed by the rules then good players will have to learn to ignore the opponents grunting. You can also use the grunts as a timing mechanism to further help you prepare for the oncoming shot. There are lots of positve ways to deal with the grunting until possibly made illegal. I dont think this will happen and I dont have any problem dealing with consistent grunting :) For those of you that do, I have offered several ways to help you deal with it. Keep the focus and may the force be with you :)
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
joe sch said:
Sharapova at 110 db's can be pretty annoying, just like Seles was. Im just saying that until grunting at xx db's is dissallowed by the rules then good players will have to learn to ignore the opponents grunting. You can also use the grunts as a timing mechanism to further help you prepare for the oncoming shot. There are lots of positve ways to deal with the grunting until possibly made illegal. I dont think this will happen and I dont have any problem dealing with consistent grunting :) For those of you that do, I have offered several ways to help you deal with it. Keep the focus and may the force be with you :)
Well, I think we will agree to disagree. It is a tough topic to debate on.

I dont have a problem with people hummin, or buzzin, or moanin. I really dont. I think all of us can agree that the screaming that is going on is a bit overboard.

I dont use other peoples moaning for my timing. I use my own. I really dont think players should just turn their backs on the loud ones. I really do think they should complain.

Each player needs to be able to beat the other player without feeling subjective to their opponents vocal distractions. We need to respect all players and the rules of tennis. Some players dont care but others do care. And I think it would be a mistake to say "well, just block it out", or "gee, you can't concentrate with a blowhorn in your ear? I can, what's wrong with you?"

I really think it should be penalized especially if it is happening loudly on every shot. I mean if you didn't know any better, you would think someone was dying out there.

So, I am with you on using it for yourself and having it within reason. But when it gets to the point where it is real loud, I have to say - warning.

The trouble with this is how do you measure what is loud and what is acceptable?
 
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SageOfDeath

Guest
They should have a decible reader. NO more than audible. 110 decibles is painful to the human ears if not damaging.
 

Rafa's boy

New User
Complain, complain, complain! Is it really hindering you so much to count grunting as that much of an interference?

I think grunting is great because I feel it gives me that extra "oomph" and helps me keep going. Grunting is just as distracting as an injury to players. If you get something like a bruise during a match, it will effect you throughout the entire match most likely. It appears that many run into the same situation with grunting...
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Rafa's boy said:
Complain, complain, complain! Is it really hindering you so much to count grunting as that much of an interference?
We arent really arguing about grunting, we are arguing about the screaming or grunting unecessarily loud. If you did it, I would get you penalized. If you did it again, I would seek to get you kicked out of the match. That is the way it goes. To me all the rules are equal and should be enforced.

It is like the rules that govern whether a ball is in or out. If you grunt loudly and it is hindering me, I will seek a ruling. It is also my attempt to take away something I know you think you need to play with. I want to see those slumped shoulders as I neutralize everything I can think of to get you to walk off the court depressed.

I think grunting is great because I feel it gives me that extra "oomph" and helps me keep going.
Yeah right, I think you just like drawing attention to yourself.

Grunting is just as distracting as an injury to players. If you get something like a bruise during a match, it will effect you throughout the entire match most likely. It appears that many run into the same situation with grunting...
Pretty ridiculous comparing an injury to someone who likes to bellow loud obnoxius sounds during a point. An injury to a player is personal and does not affect or hinder the OTHER players performance. Someone like you who likes to yell and scream on every ball has an affect not only on yourself but everyone around you including your opponent. It is no longer personal.

It is funny how grunters always point to how the other player has to accept their attention seeking antics. But when the grunter is asked to "stick a sock in it", they all of a sudden start crying and can't hit a ball. You see them walking around with slumped shoulders as they look hopelessly disappointed as to how anyone would not like hearing them scream on every point.

Face it, if it was necessary to hit a ball hard and grunt loud, we would all be doing it. It is in your head and it is not necessary. Even boxers don't scream or grunt loudly when they punch their opponent.

It is a hinderance and it should be banned.
 

Rafa's boy

New User
Point well taken, Bill. But I want to make clear that it is not to draw attention. I bet people could back me up on this. Maybe you are mistakening the grunting I am speaking of for "Shriek-a-pova", but the grunting I was speaking of is how Guga utilizes the grunt, and since I really did not look thoroughly enough through all the posts, I agree that is for rhythm also. This topic is a tough one to discuss but I think it is simple to decide between a "proper" grunt and a shriek, and I think a decimal reader would be a good choice if you really want to get technical about it.
 

Rafa's boy

New User
I never knew there were players who relied on grunting :confused: I sure don't. I only start grunting for the reasons I stated, and I could still play my game without it. This is totally blown out of proportion it seems. A grunt effecting how your opponent plays, BS! Have you watched fans taunt baseball or basketball players?
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Rafa's boy said:
Maybe you are mistakening the grunting I am speaking of for "Shriek-a-pova", but the grunting I was speaking of is how Guga utilizes the grunt...
Ok, if it is like Guga, I have no problem with that. I already mentioned that above. His "loudness" is very reasonable and based on what Joe said above I would use it to also improve my timing and rythm.

But we must keep in mind the trouble that could be coming. What constitutes a grunt being too loud? How do we measure that? Do we need some sort of decibel meter out on the court?

Unfortunately, I think the women are going to cause a lot of problems in this area. Once the USTA and other governing tennis organizations tighten up the rules on this, will it affect the Guga's of the world? Where do you draw the line on what is loud and what is not loud?

You can bet the MacEnroe type players will challenge the rule and make the chair umpire live up to the tightened rules if their opponent grunts even softly. I mean I would if money was on the line.

Certainly, on the women's side it is out of control. I mean it really is. I can honestly tell you it is nerve racking as a spectator hearing someone like Sharapove scream so loud on every shot. It really unnerves me and I am just watching! Shara-screama-pova and the Williams Screamers have in my opinion stepped over the line.

I mean the sport of boxing, golf, baseball and other sports have no where near the screaming that takes place as we do in tennis. You can look at many sports and the physical exertion that takes place in each does not have the same screaming taking place.
 

Rafa's boy

New User
Bungalo Bill said:
Unfortunately, I think the women are going to cause a lot of problems in this area. Once the USTA and other governing tennis organizations tighten up the rules on this, will it affect the Guga's of the world? Where do you draw the line on what is loud and what is not loud?

Certainly, on the women's side it is out of control. I mean it really is. I can honestly tell you it is nerve racking as a spectator hearing someone like Sharapove scream so loud on every shot. It really unnerves me and I am just watching! Shara-screama-pova and the Williams Screamers have in my opinion stepped over the line.

I mean the sport of boxing, golf, baseball and other sports have no where near the screaming that takes place as we do in tennis. You can look at many sports and the physical exertion that takes place in each does not have the same screaming taking place.
I completely agree. It is definitely becoming more prevalent with women's players. It's kinda a scary thought seeing all these up-and-coming girls who idolize girls like Sharapova and the Williamses. I mean I'm starting to notice the revolution already.

Like you said, in other sports, including the women athletes of other sports, they don't need that extra physical exertion, and some of these girls in tennis are going completely overboard.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Rafa's boy said:
I never knew there were players who relied on grunting :confused: I sure don't. I only start grunting for the reasons I stated, and I could still play my game without it. This is totally blown out of proportion it seems. A grunt effecting how your opponent plays, BS! Have you watched fans taunt baseball or basketball players?
But it does affect some players especially if it is loud. For those that are not bothered by screaming or loud sounds, great. But there are those that it does bother and in tennis, the rule in general states that you can not bother or "hinder" your opponent. If the crowd yells during a point that is different. It affects both players. But a player can not directly or indirectly hinder their opponent.

Until the rules change, I feel they need to be enforced fairly.
 

Rafa's boy

New User
Bungalo Bill said:
But it does affect some players especially if it is loud. For those that are not bothered by screaming or loud sounds, great. But there are those that it does bother and in tennis, the rule in general states that you can not bother or "hinder" your opponent. If the crowd yells during a point that is different. It affects both players. But a player can not directly or indirectly hinder their opponent.

Until the rules change, I feel they need to be enforced fairly.
Hmmm... that's a tricky point you bring up Bungalo Bill, and I agree. But the question is how does the sport define if a sound is loud enough to qualify as being bothersome?
 

FedererUberAlles

Professional
I'll do it if I can get into my opponent's head with it. It wouldn't be loud, but just audible, so it would really get on their nerves.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
FedererUberAlles said:
I'll do it if I can get into my opponent's head with it. It wouldn't be loud, but just audible, so it would really get on their nerves.
So what you are saying is you are using sound to distract or hinder your opponent. How is that different from someone moving around abnormally trying to distract the server? I mean why is the moving around viewed as a hinderance but your noise making isn't?
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Rafa's boy said:
Hmmm... that's a tricky point you bring up Bungalo Bill, and I agree. But the question is how does the sport define if a sound is loud enough to qualify as being bothersome?
Yes, that is the topic. Maybe it will be up to the chair umpire. I dont know. One thing is for sure, if a player is doing it intentionally to distract their opponent, that is a rule violation. If the player kept doing it after being warned, they should award the match to the noise-makers opponent.
 

papa

Hall of Fame
Well, according to one local expert, my wife, I have an amazing ability to eliminate "everything else" else when it comes to tennis. However, grunting has got to go - the sooner the better for the sport. Its just become a habit for some players who seemingly could care less of its effect on either players on the same or adjacent courts.

I just don't understand the thinking of why one player seems to think they have the right to bother everyone else - to my way of thinking it would be like someone "having" to have their boom box blaring away because it gets "them" into the game - might be great for them but nobody else want to hear it.

I like BB's approach. If we would also just start calling "lets" when the grunter starts, the practice would end quickly.
 

Skppr05

Semi-Pro
one grunt becomes two grunts and two grunts becomes three. Soemtimes when i start it becomes a habit. I find it relieves the pressure in the lungs alot more.
 

Shyyre

Rookie
i find that i do it unconsciously when i'm serving in a long match. but i also have some shoulder pain and it's the worst on the serve (not unbearable mind you) so there is a little woosh of exhalation.
 
Interesting grunting discussion. I don't grunt very often (at least I don't think so) and usually do it to remind myself to exhale on shots. I have never had anyone complain about my grunting. It certainly is not as loud as a lot of the pros.

I've never played someone whose grunting has been a distraction. Of course when I'm focused, little bothers me except executing my shot. When I'm not focused I notice everything from the leaves on the trees nearby to what I'm having for dinner to whether or not I left the iron on.
 
I really think it helps me hit through the ball and a more solid shot. I try not to be loud. I think both Seles and Sharapova have lost matches at Wimbledon when they tried to quiet it. Yet Sampras and Federer are arguably the best players ever and didn't grunt at all.
 

tennismx

New User
is doing it to intimidate the other side wrong? as long as i dont do it while their hitting, while the balls on my side. i've seen it scare the shy kids
 

GuyClinch

Legend
My Coach..

A coach I had likes to say "ahh" when he swings. I think that works well. It's not very loud. I find it does help you hit through the ball more. It's good for me cause in a match I sometimes tend to freeze up and dink the ball.

I suppose they could make a rule against the very loud grunting but tennis is to much of "wimp" sport in the eyes of the public already. They shouldn't go overboard on that kind of stuff.

Pete
 

tennismx

New User
i think the distraction of grunts just adds to the "mental" part of the game. just like u have to block out the crowd, u gotta block out ur opponents noise. that's how i deal with it, unless its completely ridiculous.
for example, i saw one girl play, and she screamed like an ambulance. woooooooooooo...........wooooooooooooooo.........wooooooooooooooo.........
lol.
 

papa

Hall of Fame
I still like the idea of calling "lets" when it happens - that would quickly get "everyones" attention, at all levels, because it sure would slow things down.

I think that if there is a rule change in this area is will be just that - you'll have the right to call a let regardless of where you are.
 
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