Guess how much my emergency appendectomy cost? *invoice*

How much was my emergency appendectomy?

  • $14,826

  • $28,826

  • $44,826

  • Slightly less than the new Wilson Clash


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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Just got the invoice, surgery was in October.

facts: after being in pain all morning went to urgent care. they told me to go to emergency (no ambulance; they offered).

admitted to emergency late afternoon, mri showed bogus appendix, then surgery.

released the next day noon-ish.

How much do you think it cost me (well my insurance thank god)?

Vote BEFORE you click spoiler or I'll kick you in the appendix!

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That's nothing. do you know how much heart triple bypass cost ?
 
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sureshs

Bionic Poster
I would take away the AMA's power to limit supply, and produce many more doctors and force them to compete. Doctors should feel that they can lose their practice any time in their life and made to work much harder to earn a living.

Make medical education cheaper - no need to try to make it fantastic. Many problems are routine and do not need much knowledge. Medical universities must be less selective and forced to admit mediocre students who will not study late nights for exams. Also, make it a 5 year course after high school. No need for a 4 year degree prior to that. All that cramming in med school is a waste when the information has been digitized and available on demand.

Build surgical robots and AI systems for diagnosis and make doctors and surgeons compete with them, and eventually make them obsolete.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
You could lose a few kilos just by having your appendicks removed.
think about it.


edit: on second thought, it would be like pulling out Godzilla, I can imagine the titanic fight.

You can have my appendix when it is removed. Please look after it well.
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Just got the invoice, surgery was in October.

facts: after being in pain all morning went to urgent care. they told me to go to emergency (no ambulance; they offered).

admitted to emergency late afternoon, mri showed bogus appendix, then surgery.

released the next day noon-ish.

How much do you think it cost me (well my insurance thank god)?

Vote BEFORE you click spoiler or I'll kick you in the appendix!

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Will your ins cover the bill ???
 

dgold44

G.O.A.T.
Just got the invoice, surgery was in October.

facts: after being in pain all morning went to urgent care. they told me to go to emergency (no ambulance; they offered).

admitted to emergency late afternoon, mri showed bogus appendix, then surgery.

released the next day noon-ish.

How much do you think it cost me (well my insurance thank god)?

Vote BEFORE you click spoiler or I'll kick you in the appendix!

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Just try to recover and hopefully you have ins or rich parents like me
 

Hmgraphite1

Hall of Fame
I would take away the AMA's power to limit supply, and produce many more doctors and force them to compete. Doctors should feel that they can lose their practice any time in their life and made to work much harder to earn a living.

Make medical education cheaper - no need to try to make it fantastic. Many problems are routine and do not need much knowledge. Medical universities must be less selective and forced to admit mediocre students who will not study late nights for exams. Also, make it a 5 year course after high school. No need for a 4 year degree prior to that. All that cramming in med school is a waste when the information has been digitized and available on demand.

Build surgical robots and AI systems for diagnosis and make doctors and surgeons compete with them, and eventually make them obsolete.
I always wanted one of these. Now i have a doctorit. I'll take care of it and you'll feel the greatest ever. No there's no pain, your fine now move on.
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movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I would take away the AMA's power to limit supply, and produce many more doctors and force them to compete. Doctors should feel that they can lose their practice any time in their life and made to work much harder to earn a living.

Make medical education cheaper - no need to try to make it fantastic. Many problems are routine and do not need much knowledge. Medical universities must be less selective and forced to admit mediocre students who will not study late nights for exams. Also, make it a 5 year course after high school. No need for a 4 year degree prior to that. All that cramming in med school is a waste when the information has been digitized and available on demand.

Build surgical robots and AI systems for diagnosis and make doctors and surgeons compete with them, and eventually make them obsolete.

The ACA requirements are pushing doctors into hospital networks and they are losing their practices.

When you need a complex procedure done, do you want the fantastic doctor or the mediocre doctor?

My surgeon is trained on robotic equipment but chose a particular type of surgery. I asked her why later on and she explained why. I'd say let the surgeon decide on the approach.

Diagnostic systems are already improving. We have NGS for diagnostics now in additional to all kinds of automated systems. Still, diagnosis can often require a pathologist to look through a scope. The pathologist might use AI imaging software as a tool but it's still done with trained pathologists.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Tell that the polar bears dying from global climate warming change!!

I was just messing around :)
Im not moving to Africa because its warmer there ;)
Ive tried living in warmer climate as I thought I was cold blooded, I freeze easily, that I am happier in warm weather. So I did something about it, tried it out. Found out: nope, warmer climate itsnt a solution for a better life.
The cold never bothered me anyway.
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Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
From my mother’s side many stopped visiting USA because of the medical system. Now the older family only go to Europe and Asia because if have any issues will not bankrupt you :whistle::whistle:

I’m always amazed with US. Housing is cheap, food is cheap, shopping is cheap, gas for your car is cheap, even the car is cheap, but basic things like medicine and decent university education put the average income family in deep debt :sneaky::sneaky:
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
That's because education and medicine don't function like free markets so in most sensible countries regulation of these activities is done in the public interest.

It probably should not go without saying that a lot of consumer goods are cheap because they are made in China, which is of course now considered a bad thing apparently.

With regard to the cost of things like housing, food and transportation one must also remember that wages are incredibly low for most people as well. For the well off, however, they appear cheap.

From my mother’s side many stopped visiting USA because of the medical system. Now the older family only go to Europe and Asia because if have any issues will not bankrupt you :whistle::whistle:

I’m always amazed with US. Housing is cheap, food is cheap, shopping is cheap, gas for your car is cheap, even the car is cheap, but basic things like medicine and decent university education put the average income family in deep debt :sneaky::sneaky:
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
From my mother’s side many stopped visiting USA because of the medical system. Now the older family only go to Europe and Asia because if have any issues will not bankrupt you :whistle::whistle:

I’m always amazed with US. Housing is cheap, food is cheap, shopping is cheap, gas for your car is cheap, even the car is cheap, but basic things like medicine and decent university education put the average income family in deep debt :sneaky::sneaky:

The university education difficulty thing is a myth. Families only pay what the government determines is the maximum they can afford. And in any case, two out of four years can be spend in a community college with even lower tuition. Now, some states are even making 4 year college free.

The main problem is health care. As a traveler, the traveler's insurance is not enough for any major expenditure, and the cost burden falls on the person who has sponsored the visitor for the trip and agreed to pay any expenses. Even otherwise, it is ridiculous how much simple procedures cost. You can get the same done in Mexico, India, Philippines, Singapore etc at much more reasonable prices. I have been paying for my parents' medical expenses for 20 years now and a dollar goes a long way currency-wise and I am able to afford all the costs of surgery, tests, and medicines. Don't believe horror stories about medicine in Asia. Sure there are shady places and shady doctors, but the overwhelming number of them are quite good, charge reasonable rates, and the overall value for money is far superior to the US. One brilliant Professor in Harvard writing the world's greatest medical paper on some obscure topic does not matter to most people.

Doctors, surgeons, and politicians have colluded in the US for decades to create a fear of medical procedures abroad and glorify the ridiculous cost at home as being due to being "#1" in medical research or something. It is true that US pharma research in drugs has yielded enormous benefit across the globe and that is often cited as a reason why the US is criticized unfairly, but most ordinary medical procedures are what we are talking about, and in those the cost is just ridiculous. A relative of mine who served at St. Andrews in London under the NHS as an anaesthesiologist, and now lives with his children in the US, tells me how Americans are being taken for a ride. He says medicine is a noble service profession, like police or military, and should never be allowed to turn into a money-making opportunity.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Student loan debt is 1.5 trillion, so I would not consider that a mythical issue.

The average is $30K per borrower, which is extremely reasonable and comparable to a year or less of tuition is many places.

Many people in other countries compare US college expenses with a situation they are familiar with, namely staying at home and commuting, because that is the only feasible option in many countries. Son goes to the "prestigious" college in the city (with only one other less prestigious one), stays at home, and hangs out. His less fortunate friends never see college in their life. If they had the opportunities or necessity to get out and live on their own and study, they will realize that expenses are much different.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Doctors, surgeons, and politicians have colluded in the US for decades to create a fear of medical procedures abroad and glorify the ridiculous cost at home as being due to being "#1" in medical research or something. It is true that US pharma research in drugs has yielded enormous benefit across the globe and that is often cited as a reason why the US is criticized unfairly, but most ordinary medical procedures are what we are talking about, and in those the cost is just ridiculous. A relative of mine who served at St. Andrews in London under the NHS as an anaesthesiologist, and now lives with his children in the US, tells me how Americans are being taken for a ride. He says medicine is a noble service profession, like police or military, and should never be allowed to turn into a money-making opportunity.

Then why do you have so much medical tourism into the United States?

I don't see the hospitals making a lot of money with the current system. In fact many are closing because they can't pay their bills. Yes, some administrators make a lot but part of their job is fundraising.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
The average is $30K per borrower, which is extremely reasonable and comparable to a year or less of tuition is many places.

Many people in other countries compare US college expenses with a situation they are familiar with, namely staying at home and commuting, because that is the only feasible option in many countries. Son goes to the "prestigious" college in the city (with only one other less prestigious one), stays at home, and hangs out. His less fortunate friends never see college in their life. If they had the opportunities or necessity to get out and live on their own and study, they will realize that expenses are much different.

Yes, you can do college on the cheap here. But television and media glamorize the live-on-campus experience. Housing can cost around $9K and food about $6K and then there are incidental expenses associated with living on campus. There are fewer international students coming to the US so colleges will have to compete harder to get domestic students.
 

Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
That's because education and medicine don't function like free markets so in most sensible countries regulation of these activities is done in the public interest.

It probably should not go without saying that a lot of consumer goods are cheap because they are made in China, which is of course now considered a bad thing apparently.

With regard to the cost of things like housing, food and transportation one must also remember that wages are incredibly low for most people as well. For the well off, however, they appear cheap.
Can’t blame China for this one, virtually every country imports from China but US consumers are used to lower pricing for almost all things :whistle::whistle: Just look at the same item cost between USA and other developed countries like France, Australia, Canada, UK, Germany etc - same Chinese item will be lower priced in USA mostly :unsure::unsure::unsure: The same iPhone produced in China is cheapest in USA compared to other countries :unsure::unsure:

My real guess is USA energy system is hooked on the idea of cheap petroleum :cautious::cautious: It’s easy to imagine dispatching some truck of Amazon items to a remote small town with $1.00 item ordered on Amazon Prime :eek::eek: Consumerism is just ridiculous no matter how much is actually paid for it.

It’s just some crazy ideas they have there :oops::oops: All I know is yes, if my aunt or uncle have a medical problem I am more content if they are visiting Europe or Asia, USA is out of the question :censored::censored:
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I didn't blame China for anything. America has one of the largest markets in the world. Of course Chinese goods will be cheaper there than in a small market like Australia or Canada.

America does indeed have cheap petroleum compared to European countries, but as you point out education and health are far better goods in the overall picture than cheap gasoline.

Can’t blame China for this one, virtually every country imports from China but US consumers are used to lower pricing for almost all things :whistle::whistle: Just look at the same item cost between USA and other developed countries like France, Australia, Canada, UK, Germany etc - same Chinese item will be lower priced in USA mostly :unsure::unsure::unsure: The same iPhone produced in China is cheapest in USA compared to other countries :unsure::unsure:

My real guess is USA energy system is hooked on the idea of cheap petroleum :cautious::cautious: It’s easy to imagine dispatching some truck of Amazon items to a remote small town with $1.00 item ordered on Amazon Prime :eek::eek: Consumerism is just ridiculous no matter how much is actually paid for it.

It’s just some crazy ideas they have there :oops::oops: All I know is yes, if my aunt or uncle have a medical problem I am more content if they are visiting Europe or Asia, USA is out of the question :censored::censored:
 

Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
I didn't blame China for anything. America has one of the largest markets in the world. Of course Chinese goods will be cheaper there than in a small market like Australia or Canada.

America does indeed have cheap petroleum compared to European countries, but as you point out education and health are far better goods in the overall picture than cheap gasoline.
It’s something strange really :censored: Even this website, the items are made in China but sold actually for cheaper price in USA :unsure::unsure::unsure: Even in a really tiny sector like tennis which is a nothing business compared to automobiles or tech, tennis balls made in China or Vietnam will be more expensive everywhere else than in USA :sneaky::sneaky:

You mentioned cheap items from China so I feel China has nothing to do with it. The same items from China whether low quantities or high quantities will mostly always be cheaper in USA :whistle::whistle: Many luxury brands like Tumi, Rolls Royce, BMW, LV have more sales in China than USA but even then they are more expensive than USA :oops::oops::oops:

I feel some deeper explanation for it :unsure::unsure::unsure:Partially cheap automobile and energy in USA, partially hidden costs to the consumer. Lawyers and insurance every American always have to factor, they just not used to thinking of that as a cost somehow. And maybe also debt based consumerism and access to easy financing :unsure::unsure::unsure: So when US government gives off big sectors like education and medicine to private sector they can focus how people can spend spend spend on non essentials and pay in monthly installements?????

I can’t understand it. It’s true, as a visitor to USA it’s nice and pretty and can eat and shop easy peasy :whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle: But God help me if I have an actual problem there, my credit card limit won’t cover 2 days in the hospital o_Oo_Oo_O
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Can’t blame China for this one, virtually every country imports from China but US consumers are used to lower pricing for almost all things :whistle::whistle: Just look at the same item cost between USA and other developed countries like France, Australia, Canada, UK, Germany etc - same Chinese item will be lower priced in USA mostly :unsure::unsure::unsure: The same iPhone produced in China is cheapest in USA compared to other countries :unsure::unsure:

My real guess is USA energy system is hooked on the idea of cheap petroleum :cautious::cautious: It’s easy to imagine dispatching some truck of Amazon items to a remote small town with $1.00 item ordered on Amazon Prime :eek::eek: Consumerism is just ridiculous no matter how much is actually paid for it.

It’s just some crazy ideas they have there :oops::oops: All I know is yes, if my aunt or uncle have a medical problem I am more content if they are visiting Europe or Asia, USA is out of the question :censored::censored:

Energy prices cycle up and down. It’s said that the solution for low prices is low prices and that the solution for high prices is high prices. Americans have been buying trucks and SUVs in droves the past few years as gasoline prices have dropped and as fuel efficiency has improved. I think that this is dumb and note that delinquency on loans has been rising on vehicles.

OPEC sounded tough on production cuts this morning and there was an article that Wall St has soured on lending to many frackers as the banks too a bath on the debt.

I see lots of people that claim to care about climate change with huge trucks and SUVs. Which says to me that they care until it affects their lifestyle. So yes, some things are nutty here.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I just read up on health insurance for visitors to the US (and Canada) and was a bit surprised that their local health insurance doesn’t cover them when they are out of the country. My son got sick when we’re visiting in Singapore and I took him to the doctor. I called my insurance company while there to check the process and they just told me to bring back the hospital bills and file claims. The medical bills were so small that I just paid them and didn’t bother filing claims.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Everyone wants a piece of the American market, and wages and transportation costs are low, so why wouldn't Chinese and other countries goods be cheaper in America than in a smaller country?

So how can China have nothing to do with it at all? It is a huge producer of goods to the world at every price point. I don't see Canada getting into the racquet manufacturing business any time soon.

It’s something strange really :censored: Even this website, the items are made in China but sold actually for cheaper price in USA :unsure::unsure::unsure: Even in a really tiny sector like tennis which is a nothing business compared to automobiles or tech, tennis balls made in China or Vietnam will be more expensive everywhere else than in USA :sneaky::sneaky:

You mentioned cheap items from China so I feel China has nothing to do with it. The same items from China whether low quantities or high quantities will mostly always be cheaper in USA :whistle::whistle: Many luxury brands like Tumi, Rolls Royce, BMW, LV have more sales in China than USA but even then they are more expensive than USA :oops::oops::oops:

I feel some deeper explanation for it :unsure::unsure::unsure:Partially cheap automobile and energy in USA, partially hidden costs to the consumer. Lawyers and insurance every American always have to factor, they just not used to thinking of that as a cost somehow. And maybe also debt based consumerism and access to easy financing :unsure::unsure::unsure: So when US government gives off big sectors like education and medicine to private sector they can focus how people can spend spend spend on non essentials and pay in monthly installements?????

I can’t understand it. It’s true, as a visitor to USA it’s nice and pretty and can eat and shop easy peasy :whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle: But God help me if I have an actual problem there, my credit card limit won’t cover 2 days in the hospital o_Oo_Oo_O
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Why does everyone try to reduce climate change to the question of personal choice and whether that demonstrates hypocrisy.

It is a genuine problem regardless of how many lights Al Gore leaves on at home or how many flights he takes. This is all ad hominem attack.

I see lots of people that claim to care about climate change with huge trucks and SUVs. Which says to me that they care until it affects their lifestyle. So yes, some things are nutty here.
 

bad_call

Legend
I just read up on health insurance for visitors to the US (and Canada) and was a bit surprised that their local health insurance doesn’t cover them when they are out of the country. My son got sick when we’re visiting in Singapore and I took him to the doctor. I called my insurance company while there to check the process and they just told me to bring back the hospital bills and file claims. The medical bills were so small that I just paid them and didn’t bother filing claims.

no surprise...speaking from experience and currently paying off my visit to the ER and hospital visit here in the US.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
It’s something strange really :censored: Even this website, the items are made in China but sold actually for cheaper price in USA :unsure::unsure::unsure: Even in a really tiny sector like tennis which is a nothing business compared to automobiles or tech, tennis balls made in China or Vietnam will be more expensive everywhere else than in USA :sneaky::sneaky:

You mentioned cheap items from China so I feel China has nothing to do with it. The same items from China whether low quantities or high quantities will mostly always be cheaper in USA :whistle::whistle: Many luxury brands like Tumi, Rolls Royce, BMW, LV have more sales in China than USA but even then they are more expensive than USA :oops::oops::oops:

I feel some deeper explanation for it :unsure::unsure::unsure:Partially cheap automobile and energy in USA, partially hidden costs to the consumer. Lawyers and insurance every American always have to factor, they just not used to thinking of that as a cost somehow. And maybe also debt based consumerism and access to easy financing :unsure::unsure::unsure: So when US government gives off big sectors like education and medicine to private sector they can focus how people can spend spend spend on non essentials and pay in monthly installements?????

I can’t understand it. It’s true, as a visitor to USA it’s nice and pretty and can eat and shop easy peasy :whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle: But God help me if I have an actual problem there, my credit card limit won’t cover 2 days in the hospital o_Oo_Oo_O

It could be taxes that are filtered through the production and transportation sectors.

We have tourism from Canada where their residents come down to our state and buy things and bring them back, sometimes leaving their old stuff in parking lots here. My state doesn't have sales taxes so they save the 15-18% VAT tax. I've read that Canadians may do that with dairy products too in the Pacific Northwest.

On shipping to rural areas: many retailers will leave that to the post office.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
no surprise...speaking from experience and currently paying off my visit to the ER and hospital visit here in the US.

I'm presuming that you have health coverage from another country. Why doesn't your health insurance there cover costs when you are traveling?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I just read up on health insurance for visitors to the US (and Canada) and was a bit surprised that their local health insurance doesn’t cover them when they are out of the country. My son got sick when we’re visiting in Singapore and I took him to the doctor. I called my insurance company while there to check the process and they just told me to bring back the hospital bills and file claims. The medical bills were so small that I just paid them and didn’t bother filing claims.

The answer is in the last sentence.

If an insurance company in India starts covering medical costs in the US for travelers, it would go bankrupt. So they cover only very minor things. Corporate travelers are different.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
The answer is in the last sentence.

If an insurance company in India starts covering medical costs in the US for travelers, it would go bankrupt. So they cover only very minor things. Corporate travelers are different.

That's India. What about the EU, Australia, UK, etc.

We apparently have coverage in Singapore because my wife is a citizen there. I don't really know how things work there but it may be worth finding out. I'm planning to retire this year and will have time to travel and I haven't been to Singapore or Australia since the 1990s.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I see lots of people that claim to care about climate change with huge trucks and SUVs. Which says to me that they care until it affects their lifestyle. So yes, some things are nutty here.

Are you still so naive or just arguing for the sake of it? Do you expect people to always practice what they preach? The comparison should be to the criminals who are polluting the world deliberately through their policies. A construction company guy needs a huge truck to haul his stuff and he cannot afford to wait for the time when electric charging stations will appear everywhere. That is precisely why the oil companies are not letting that happen. Turning around and blaming the people who work for a living or the occasional splurger is stupid. People are not perfect and will try to maximize convenience. Using that not to push environmental protections is insane. Attitude change requires all-round improvement. A lot of people now consciously use water bottles and do not buy bottled water for tennis matches. At first, people were like "what about the convenience." Sure. It takes time to change and then some will not, or there will be situations where things will still be the same for 100 years. That is not a reason for inaction.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Are you still so naive or just arguing for the sake of it? Do you expect people to always practice what they preach? The comparison should be to the criminals who are polluting the world deliberately through their policies. A construction company guy needs a huge truck to haul his stuff and he cannot afford to wait for the time when electric charging stations will appear everywhere. That is precisely why the oil companies are not letting that happen. Turning around and blaming the people who work for a living or the occasional splurger is stupid. People are not perfect and will try to maximize convenience. Using that not to push environmental protections is insane. Attitude change requires all-round improvement. A lot of people now consciously use water bottles and do not buy bottled water for tennis matches. At first, people were like "what about the convenience." Sure. It takes time to change and then some will not, or there will be situations where things will still be the same for 100 years. That is not a reason for inaction.

Yes, I expect people to practice what I preach.

I don't preach climate change but acknowledge that there may be something to it so I practice even though I don't preach.

I don't have issues with construction guys and trucks. I have issues with commuters with 8 person SUVs commuting 50 miles one-way in heavy traffic.

I got a pair of TheroFlask water bottles from Costco - stainless steel vacuum and they keep cold water cold. The only downsides are that they are heavy and large.

So I walk the talk without the talk. It's hard to understand those that talk but don't walk.
 

Pandora Mikado

Semi-Pro
Everyone wants a piece of the American market, and wages and transportation costs are low, so why wouldn't Chinese and other countries goods be cheaper in America than in a smaller country?

So how can China have nothing to do with it at all? It is a huge producer of goods to the world at every price point. I don't see Canada getting into the racquet manufacturing business any time soon.
You introduced China into a conversation on why things are generally cheaper in USA saying this:

It probably should not go without saying that a lot of consumer goods are cheap because they are made in China, which is of course now considered a bad thing apparently.

I gave an example, maybe you did not understand it or my English is not good enough :sneaky::sneaky: Maybe a better one then - take a brand like Apple, why should it’s price be lower in USA than China? The quantities sold in China are approximately the same, the item is also made in China so no transportation costs to get it there, no duties etc but if you look at the price difference to the consumer it is significant :unsure:

I’m saying China is not part of the explanation because it’s more complicated than cheap goods and market size :oops:

When trying to understand markets it’s about idealogy of it’s politics and the average consumer mindset :unsure::unsure: Amazon will deliver that item you order for $1 for “free” in USA but you can be well sure the real cost is somehow also being paid in some not immediately obvious way 8-B8-B

It could be taxes that are filtered through the production and transportation sectors.

We have tourism from Canada where their residents come down to our state and buy things and bring them back, sometimes leaving their old stuff in parking lots here. My state doesn't have sales taxes so they save the 15-18% VAT tax. I've read that Canadians may do that with dairy products too in the Pacific Northwest.

On shipping to rural areas: many retailers will leave that to the post office.

Yeah, it’s well known Canadian crossing the borders to do daily shopping for basic supermarket stuff. An easy explanation is costs and market size but it’s much more than that, the point I am making to the person above you :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Regardless of consumer demand it generally seems to be the case US ends up being cheapest for almost everything but that’s obviously not true - when you look at the final costs at the end of the year or period it ends up being ridiculous :unsure::unsure: Especially if you have some kind of medical emergency, then it’s just outrageous :eek::eek:

I have have a feeling yes, you are on a more right track to think about taxes and how they are used in the US system compared to other countries 8-B8-B It’s not at all something I can make sense about because on the surface everything seems cheap - food, houses, cars, energy, airfares - but actually it ends up more expensive :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
That's India. What about the EU, Australia, UK, etc.

We apparently have coverage in Singapore because my wife is a citizen there. I don't really know how things work there but it may be worth finding out. I'm planning to retire this year and will have time to travel and I haven't been to Singapore or Australia since the 1990s.

My brother-in-law lives in Singapore. If you are a Singapore citizen, you should be good. Your wife being one will not cover you I think, unless you are a minor dependent.

UK web sites says the only option is travel insurance. UK has reciprocal heath insurance arrangements with a lot of EU and non-EU countries, but not the US. It is impossible for any country to bear US medical insurance unless the people are corporate employees in which case the burden falls on the employer.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Costco is a big box supermarket that you drive to and buy huge amounts of cheap groceries to go home.

This model is the exact opposite of a good environmental model so you don't practice what you preach.

Yes, I expect people to practice what I preach.

I don't preach climate change but acknowledge that there may be something to it so I practice even though I don't preach.

I don't have issues with construction guys and trucks. I have issues with commuters with 8 person SUVs commuting 50 miles one-way in heavy traffic.

I got a pair of TheroFlask water bottles from Costco - stainless steel vacuum and they keep cold water cold. The only downsides are that they are heavy and large.

So I walk the talk without the talk. It's hard to understand those that talk but don't walk.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Yes, I expect people to practice what I preach.

I don't preach climate change but acknowledge that there may be something to it so I practice even though I don't preach.

I don't have issues with construction guys and trucks. I have issues with commuters with 8 person SUVs commuting 50 miles one-way in heavy traffic.

I got a pair of TheroFlask water bottles from Costco - stainless steel vacuum and they keep cold water cold. The only downsides are that they are heavy and large.

So I walk the talk without the talk. It's hard to understand those that talk but don't walk.

And unless you know personally what the guy in the SUV is thinking about climate change, you have no valid point. You cannot just assume that they are all environmentalists just because they drive SUVs you see passing around you. That is just your impression. They may be, they may not be, they may be a little conscious (there are people who use electric cars for the city and gas vans to drive outside the city, etc.)
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
My reference to China was one point out of three and you mistakenly took it as somehow central and critical of China, so you were wrong.

Apple prices its goods for various opaque reasons that are only partially related to the cost of production. It is currently reducing its prices in China because sales are down.

Most analysts of Apple that I have read suggest that until recently falling sales led them to increase prices to compensate. But then people stopped buying in even greater numbers.

You introduced China into a conversation on why things are generally cheaper in USA saying this:



I gave an example, maybe you did not understand it or my English is not good enough :sneaky::sneaky: Maybe a better one then - take a brand like Apple, why should it’s price be lower in USA than China? The quantities sold in China are approximately the same, the item is also made in China so no transportation costs to get it there, no duties etc but if you look at the price difference to the consumer it is significant :unsure:

I’m saying China is not part of the explanation because it’s more complicated than cheap goods and market size :oops:

When trying to understand markets it’s about idealogy of it’s politics and the average consumer mindset :unsure::unsure: Amazon will deliver that item you order for $1 for “free” in USA but you can be well sure the real cost is somehow also being paid in some not immediately obvious way 8-B8-B



Yeah, it’s well known Canadian crossing the borders to do daily shopping for basic supermarket stuff. An easy explanation is costs and market size but it’s much more than that, the point I am making to the person above you :rolleyes::rolleyes: Regardless of consumer demand it generally seems to be the case US ends up being cheapest for almost everything but that’s obviously not true - when you look at the final costs at the end of the year or period it ends up being ridiculous :unsure::unsure: Especially if you have some kind of medical emergency, then it’s just outrageous :eek::eek:

I have have a feeling yes, you are on a more right track to think about taxes and how they are used in the US system compared to other countries. It’s not at all something I can make sense about because on the surface everything seems cheap - food, houses, cars, energy, airfares - but actually it ends up more expensive :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I have have a feeling yes, you are on a more right track to think about taxes and how they are used in the US system compared to other countries 8-B8-B It’s not at all something I can make sense about because on the surface everything seems cheap - food, houses, cars, energy, airfares - but actually it ends up more expensive :unsure::unsure::unsure:

I have the other guy on ignore.

I don't consider houses cheap here but they can be in some parts of the country. Prices are generally higher in big cities and can be very inexpensive in areas where there aren't many people.

If your house is paid for, and you have medical insurance covered, and you've already taken care of college educations for your kids, then life can be very inexpensive here. There is inflation in some areas and deflation in others.

Housing is expensive because there has been insufficient homebuilding for the past 40 years. They current blame is on regulations which can constitute 33% of the cost of a home. I suspect that regulations are high to generate revenue to pay for underfunded state and local pension funds. But it results in a housing crunch which drives up rents and homeprices.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
My son was hit by a car last year. Luckily no bad injuries, but had his bell rung and with every head injury you have to go through triage and MRI scans, etc. So a ride to the hospital, triage, and MRI scann was almost $30,000. No surgery, nothing but bandages and checking that everything was fine.

My cost with insurance was almost $4000 out of pocket.

As consumer, I don't like that
As an investor, you can imagine where I have a lot of capital that is doing well.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
And unless you know personally what the guy in the SUV is thinking about climate change, you have no valid point. You cannot just assume that they are all environmentalists just because they drive SUVs you see passing around you. That is just your impression. They may be, they may not be, they may be a little conscious (there are people who use electric cars for the city and gas vans to drive outside the city, etc.)

But the people that I talk to that do talk about it drive the big vehicles. I go into Boston on a regular basis. Look at the voting record for Boston and the suburbs around it for the past 50 years.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
My son was hit by a car last year. Luckily no bad injuries, but had his bell rung and with every head injury you have to go through triage and MRI scans, etc. So a ride to the hospital, triage, and MRI scann was almost $30,000. No surgery, nothing but bandages and checking that everything was fine.

My cost with insurance was almost $4000 out of pocket.

As consumer, I don't like that
As an investor, you can imagine where I have a lot of capital that is doing well.

For those of us always looking for a tip, do you have tickers?

Or is it UNH or THC?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
My son was hit by a car last year. Luckily no bad injuries, but had his bell rung and with every head injury you have to go through triage and MRI scans, etc. So a ride to the hospital, triage, and MRI scann was almost $30,000. No surgery, nothing but bandages and checking that everything was fine.

My cost with insurance was almost $4000 out of pocket.

As consumer, I don't like that
As an investor, you can imagine where I have a lot of capital that is doing well.

So you should just say you paid $4000 which is pretty reasonable.
 
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