Gut/Alu Power vs. gut/4g, differences?

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Has anybody tried both and made a comparison? I’m experimenting with maximum tension maintenance, and I know neither of these strings are textured so they won’t cut through the gut, thoughts?
 

DJ-

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Just use kirschbaum max power in the cross and enjoy the prestretched longevity goodness and playability. You won't regret it
 

tonylg

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4G will be a more consistent cross throughout its life. ALU will play much better for the first few hours, then you’ll have a period where it will be decent before dropping off a cliff. 4G is more stable but will never have the fresh ALU magic.
Spot on.
 

SeeItHitIt

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wilson revolve cross is the answer


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As a Revolve cross fan, I agree but the reasons may not be universal. My biggest gripe with the Bab products as a cross is that they dent easily - a few hours create a notch. Revolve just doesn’t crease and for me, I feel I get more gut snap back and spin as a result. This comes at a price.

To the OPs question, the 4g hybrid comes out of the blocks felling stiffer than ALU. Not harsh and with great control, just a firmer ride all the way around, maybe not as much depth as the ALU brethren on groundies. Alu starts life as sublime - doing everything well. As others have said though, the magic is shorter lived than a cheap cocaine high, leaving you wanting that loving feeling in a short period of time. 4g plays consistently for a while (12-15 hours+?)...and if you like 4g, try 4g soft.
 

FIRETennis

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What are your racquet specs? I find that tension maintenance in hybrids is more important in the big head open pattern racquets like the Pure Aeros.

I've tried most of the Luxilon offerings in hybrids with gut mains in both Pure Aero and RF97A.
VS/ALU, VS/ALU Soft, VS/ALU Rough, VS/4G, VS/4G Rough

My favorite setup in the Pure Aero is VS/ALU Soft, VS 4G Rough as they both had decent tension maintenance. The ALU Soft does not stiffen up as much as the other Luxilon crosses.
In the RF97A, the VS/ALU works just as good as the Soft as I do not find it feels as stiff after a while as it does it the Pure Aero. The VS/4G Rough is also a dream.
4G Rough is less stiff than the normal 4G which is too stiff in my opinion.
If you like the 4G feeling, try 4G Rough.
If you like the ALU feeling, any of the 3 would work depends on softness desired.
I'm looking to try ALU Feel next and Element as crosses.
I've experimented extensively with shaped and rough crosses and I do not find them wearing out the gut much faster than round/slick crosses. Maybe 1-2h less but that's about it.
If you hit hard with spin, most shaped or rough crosses will 'flatted out', lose their roughness within 4-5h and becomes something like Grapplesnake's Irukandji (which by the way is a great cross but pain in the ass to buy and to string).
 

aaron_h27

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What are your racquet specs? I find that tension maintenance in hybrids is more important in the big head open pattern racquets like the Pure Aeros.

I've tried most of the Luxilon offerings in hybrids with gut mains in both Pure Aero and RF97A.
VS/ALU, VS/ALU Soft, VS/ALU Rough, VS/4G, VS/4G Rough

My favorite setup in the Pure Aero is VS/ALU Soft, VS 4G Rough as they both had decent tension maintenance. The ALU Soft does not stiffen up as much as the other Luxilon crosses.
In the RF97A, the VS/ALU works just as good as the Soft as I do not find it feels as stiff after a while as it does it the Pure Aero. The VS/4G Rough is also a dream.
4G Rough is less stiff than the normal 4G which is too stiff in my opinion.
If you like the 4G feeling, try 4G Rough.
If you like the ALU feeling, any of the 3 would work depends on softness desired.
I'm looking to try ALU Feel next and Element as crosses.
I've experimented extensively with shaped and rough crosses and I do not find them wearing out the gut much faster than round/slick crosses. Maybe 1-2h less but that's about it.
If you hit hard with spin, most shaped or rough crosses will 'flatted out', lose their roughness within 4-5h and becomes something like Grapplesnake's Irukandji (which by the way is a great cross but pain in the ass to buy and to string).
How is the tension maintenance for Alu vs Alu Soft?
 
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What are your racquet specs? I find that tension maintenance in hybrids is more important in the big head open pattern racquets like the Pure Aeros.

I've tried most of the Luxilon offerings in hybrids with gut mains in both Pure Aero and RF97A.
VS/ALU, VS/ALU Soft, VS/ALU Rough, VS/4G, VS/4G Rough

My favorite setup in the Pure Aero is VS/ALU Soft, VS 4G Rough as they both had decent tension maintenance. The ALU Soft does not stiffen up as much as the other Luxilon crosses.
In the RF97A, the VS/ALU works just as good as the Soft as I do not find it feels as stiff after a while as it does it the Pure Aero. The VS/4G Rough is also a dream.
4G Rough is less stiff than the normal 4G which is too stiff in my opinion.
If you like the 4G feeling, try 4G Rough.
If you like the ALU feeling, any of the 3 would work depends on softness desired.
I'm looking to try ALU Feel next and Element as crosses.
I've experimented extensively with shaped and rough crosses and I do not find them wearing out the gut much faster than round/slick crosses. Maybe 1-2h less but that's about it.
If you hit hard with spin, most shaped or rough crosses will 'flatted out', lose their roughness within 4-5h and becomes something like Grapplesnake's Irukandji (which by the way is a great cross but pain in the ass to buy and to string).
I use an 18/20 blade.
 

FIRETennis

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I use an 18/20 blade.
I would try both combinations side by side. I honestly was never impressed with 4G's 'tension maintenance'. If it was me in that frame, I'd use VS/ALU or VS/ALU Soft. I'd consider ALU Feel as well as a cross. I haven't tried it yet but in a tight pattern, it could work well. Maybe someone who tried it can chime in here.
 
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I would try both combinations side by side. I honestly was never impressed with 4G's 'tension maintenance'. If it was me in that frame, I'd use VS/ALU or VS/ALU Soft. I'd consider ALU Feel as well as a cross. I haven't tried it yet but in a tight pattern, it could work well. Maybe someone who tried it can chime in here.
Do you know what tension I should use? I have it at 57 lbs in the mains and 54 in the crosses but the gut is fraying, thoughts?
 

FIRETennis

Semi-Pro
I use 59.5/56 or 57.5/54 in both a Wilson Pro Staff RF97A and a Pure Aero Tour.
Gut will slowly start to fray after a couple hours in the RF and much faster in the Aero.
Babolat VS Touch 1.30mm or Babolat Tonic+ Ball Feel <1.35mm.
 

blai212

Professional
ive tried VCT 16g/4g soft and the 4g’s slick coating wore off after 4-5 hrs maybe due to VCT mains grinding against it (VCT strung low in mains is similar to gut)
revolve much better


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