Guys, the ball was in...

REKX

Rookie
As a Federer and Nadal fan I was kind of late to the party watching tennis and only started watching in the Federer and Nadal era. It still amazes me that Nadal managed to take Federer to five sets in both Wimbledon 2007 and Wimbledon 2008 - the two greatest players in my eyes.

This serve from John McEnroe was clearly in, I know it's become a meme now but the guy was correct.


I don't understand how the umpire didn't overrule, it clearly hit the line and chalk flew up, I can see it from this video from here but how could two people not see this being so close to the action?
 

Jonesy

Semi-Pro
Umpires robbing players of points for nearly 200 years before hawkeye.

People against hawkeye being used on clay are in favor of corruption.

 

REKX

Rookie
Umpires robbing players of points for nearly 200 years before hawkeye.

People against hawkeye being used on clay are in favor of corruption.

Surely you don't need haweye on clay as the mark is visible and wasn't hawkeye shown to be almost accurate but not absolutely?

If the actual mark is there then surely that is a better indicator?
 

Jonesy

Semi-Pro
Surely you don't need haweye on clay as the mark is visible and wasn't hawkeye shown to be almost accurate but not absolutely?

If the actual mark is there then surely that is a better indicator?
It is ironical seeing players arguing with the umpire what mark is the right one when there are thousands next to the line and the umpire already made his decision in favor of his buddy favourable one.

A lot of people are afraid that using Hawkeye on clay will expose the failed corrupted mark system because that is what will happen.

Why keep clinging to old anacronic ideas when there are modern more precise ways to solve things? Remember when there where no artificial lights, no roof? How many umpire calls are overruled by Hawkeye in each tournament? 10 years ago it was 25% https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/sports/tennis/24tennis.html

Hawkeye may not be perfect but the margin of error is a lot better than human error and definitely will be a lot better on clay than it is by the actual mark system.

The sport needs to keep evolving.
 
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Dartagnan64

Legend
Hawkeye may not be perfect but the margin of error is a lot better than human error and definitely will be a lot better on clay than it is by the actual mark system.
Hawkeyes only advantage is it is impartial. It’s not more accurate than a clay mark.
 

Jonesy

Semi-Pro
Hawkeyes only advantage is it is impartial. It’s not more accurate than a clay mark.
The best way to know it is putting in practice. Then we'll see the results for comparison.

Tournaments earn their organizers and sponsors millions of dollars. They should invest the money necessary to ensure Hawkeye works perfectly on clay. The calling of lines in tennis is an issue of professionalism.
 

REKX

Rookie
It is ironical seeing players arguing with the umpire what mark is the right one when there are thousands next to the line and the umpire already made his decision in favor of his buddy favourable one.

A lot of people are afraid that using Hawkeye on clay will expose the failed corrupted mark system because that is what will happen.

Why keep clinging to old anacronic ideas when there are modern more precise ways to solve things? Remember when there where no artificial lights, no roof? How many umpire calls are overruled by Hawkeye in each tournament? 10 years ago it was 25% https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/sports/tennis/24tennis.html

Hawkeye may not be perfect but the margin of error is a lot better than human error and definitely will be a lot better on clay than it is by the actual mark system.

The sport needs to keep evolving.
Yeah I've always had a problem with that, as soon as players talk to the umpire the crowd start jeering. It's such a stupid thing because he's there to officiate and there could be all kinds of reasons why someone is talking to the umpire.

In fact, he should welcome players to talk to him and they should feel like they can approach him as long they are being courteous in the way they do, they have the right to do so.
 
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