Had Murray really lost FIVE Australian Open finals?
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90's Clay
Banned
Probably.. I don't know how appearing in 5 finals and never sealing the deal even once doesn't completely destroy you mentally.
killerboi2
Hall of Fame
Yep. Must be embarassing as hell. Today he just took it to new levels in blowing it in big games. I heard that he yelled "this is the worst tennis i've ever played in my life" during the 1st set. Damn right it is. I don't know what he has to do to get back in the slams, but I do know that Mauresmo is not the answer.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
You know who the all-time winningest player at Roland Garros is, behind Rafa?
Roger Federer, the guy who had lost, what, 4 finals to 1 win? I'm sure he will take that 'subpar' record over the accomplishments of someone like Sampras.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Yes, he got five on it.
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JRAJ1988
Guest
If he didn't face Novak in 4 of those finals how many would Andy have won?
I reckon at least 1 or 2. Every time he does something awesome like win the Davis Cup or finish number two, or Clay titles I always get expectations that he can win that 3rd major but let's face it he just isn't good enough to beat Djokovic in Slams or Federer in BO3's.
I know people on this site really love to stick the knife in when it comes to Murray because people love some pantomime loser but throughout his career 3 of the greatest players to play tennis period..stand in his way and have done since 2008. He just isn't good enough.
I reckon at least 1 or 2. Every time he does something awesome like win the Davis Cup or finish number two, or Clay titles I always get expectations that he can win that 3rd major but let's face it he just isn't good enough to beat Djokovic in Slams or Federer in BO3's.
I know people on this site really love to stick the knife in when it comes to Murray because people love some pantomime loser but throughout his career 3 of the greatest players to play tennis period..stand in his way and have done since 2008. He just isn't good enough.
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West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Even his mom was smart enough to get out of town before the expected result (Fed Cup excuse - LOL!)
I just don't understand the senselessness to keep playing the same game every time. Serve 2 1st serves. Hit FH and BH slices short forcing Djokovic to come to net; rip more balls down the line; even if you lose 2, 2, and 2 it's better than getting ground down. The old saying "always change a losing strategy; never change a winning one" comes to mind.
I just don't understand the senselessness to keep playing the same game every time. Serve 2 1st serves. Hit FH and BH slices short forcing Djokovic to come to net; rip more balls down the line; even if you lose 2, 2, and 2 it's better than getting ground down. The old saying "always change a losing strategy; never change a winning one" comes to mind.
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nowhereman
Guest
What's more disappointing is the fact that he's had the game to win some of those finals. 2013 and 2015 especially, it felt like he had a real shot at winning , but ended up collapsing mentally.
ScentOfDefeat
G.O.A.T.
How does the worst tennis he's ever played in his life allow him to only lose 7-5 7-6 in the last two sets against the world number 1? Does that mean his best tennis would give him 11 majors to Djokovic's 2?
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Most players don't even reach five GS finals throughout their entire career, let alone at the same tournament. What Murray has achieved(and yes, his impressive consistency IS an achievement) is something that should really be given a lot of credit and not laughed at because he hasn't won one - reaching a final is always better than going out in an earlier round. I think it would perhaps look worse for him if he'd lost to a different player in each final but for God's sake, he's had to face peak Djokovic in four of them and prime Federer in the other. Give the guy a break!
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Classic. Murray's got 5 on it but he doesn't mess with indo
Meles
Bionic Poster
Someone recently said that Murray has actually done very well with his opportunities to win slams. The reality is he is a notch below the rest of the big 4 and the wins he has were well played. With Fed and Rafa degrading a bit soon Andy will have more and more opportunities; just hopefully some don't involve Djokovic.
killerboi2
Hall of Fame
Lmao yeah i'm sure you'd be delighted if Djokovic was stuck on two slams and constantly mugging it up in slam finals. Considering he used to have a pretty close head to head against Djokovic, even winning slams against him, the last thing this MUG deserves is credit.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Fed was a great clay court player and perhaps his new style of game is not as suited to the clay, so only the French Open is on his schedule.
Murray is going to need help like Fed had to win Australia. Being #2 that may happen for him in a few slams.
moonballs
Hall of Fame
Yes it has been like that for the Nadal fans for a few years. That how "the H2h in slams " goat standard works.
StannisTheMannis
Hall of Fame
What's he supposed to do? Not get to finals? All great players have weak point. Novak and fed get shelled at RG by Rafa, Rafa gets whacked at Wimbledon by scrubs every year.
killerboi2
Hall of Fame
Yeah some really poor, apologists excuses for Murray going round in this thread. Some people pointing out failures of Nadal, Djokovic and Federer. Those guys are all into double figures in slams and have all pretty much fulfilled their potential now. Murray is stuck on 2 slams and has the worst slam ratio in open era history. Mugged it up one too many times this time.
Doflamingo
Professional
Well you gotta reach the finals first to win it and it's been unfortunate for him to keep reaching Novak all the time, Novak's just a better player than Murray.
As the one true King (@StannisTheMannis) said above, each of these players have had multiple slam final losses at a specific event. Still better than crashing out in the early rounds.
As the one true King (@StannisTheMannis) said above, each of these players have had multiple slam final losses at a specific event. Still better than crashing out in the early rounds.
90's Clay
Banned
Boy I'll say.. How can Nole have 11 slams and Murray only has 2? We all know Murray isn't as good but a 9 slam differential? Thats horrible
Seth
Legend
Mainad
Bionic Poster
So the moral of the story is: Don't dare reach a Slam final unless you win it? Much better to lose in a semi?
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Because Nole is that much better.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Yes but he has that FO title under his belt, doesn't he? It affected him mentally in 2009 when he was also playing under huge pressure to pull of the career Slam.
1-4 is a lot more than 0-5 and I'm saying this as someone who pities Murray.
KarmaKorps
Rookie
Murray's mental fitness was the worst I've ever seen from him. Very poor shot selection throughout the match at key moments. And yes, despite it, he made the 2nd and 3rd set close.
When Murray zones with his flat strokes and court penetration, he's tough to handle. there's a reason he's been to 9 slam finals.
He had no business losing the 2nd set, and had plenty of opportunity to take the 3rd. Straight set loss is tough, but I still have belief he can gain control of his mental faculties and bring it.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
But they all won it at least once at least. I don't recall anyone reaching 4 or more Slam finals in one particular Slam and never winning it. Other than Murray of course.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
He's running out of time. He should sack Mauresmo, FAST.
killerboi2
Hall of Fame
That much better than this mug version of Murray yeah, not that much better than Lendl version of Murray who used to beat Djokovic and Federer multiple times back then. There were actually times where it was actually hard to call who was going to win.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Lol, too busy whining about a player to think this one through for 5 seconds I guess. Roddick's was actually worse and I don't see anyone hating on his slam conversion rate all the time.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Might have a point actually. Better to lose in Round 1 like RAFA and focus on winning the Slam Wooden Spoon, no?
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nowhereman
Guest
Another accomplishment for the best student of the game. I knew RAFA wouldn't walk away from the tournament empty handed.
Slice'n'dice
Hall of Fame
How many slams have you won again?
He'll have more opportunities and he will win a slam or two more most likely Mauresmo or not. With the pressure that'll be building on Novack at the French this year who knows, it could be that one. His clay form was pretty excellent last year. Far better than it ever was under Lendl and that's a fact.
Rozroz
G.O.A.T.
i'm afraid Mauresmo got her claws deep into him by now
he dug himself into a hole. he'll be too embarrassed to let her go.
Slice'n'dice
Hall of Fame
Almost as bad as being 40-15 up serving for the match and losing the game and eventually the match.
Wonder if that's happened to anyone who's any good?
Good Lord!
And that's from a 5 time US Open Champion!
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
I suppose it would be more respectable if he collected several first week losses and had a SF as his best result
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Seriously???
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Murray got robbed! On two separate break points in the 2nd set, Djokovic's serves were well long but were not overruled by the umpire. Had Murray broken in either or both of those times, he could have won the 2nd set and then it would have been a completely different match from then on.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
Mainad
Bionic Poster
This looks like a pretty enviable record to me:
Whose stats are we talking about?
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Shame he didn't challenge.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm just following the thought process of a Sampras fan like the OP
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nowhereman
Guest
Pistol Pete obviously. Look at those numbers at Wimbledon for god's sake and it becomes pretty obvious.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
-snake-
Hall of Fame
He should call Dimitrov to get some advicei'm afraid Mauresmo got her claws deep into him by now
he dug himself into a hole. he'll be too embarrassed to let her go.
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