Had Roddick played at this level on grass

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  • Agreed

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Roddick didn't have it in him

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • Roddick wasn't that good on grass

    Votes: 6 50.0%
  • Only Rafa and Nole can outplay Federer

    Votes: 5 41.7%

  • Total voters
    12

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Not sure how old you are, BUT perhaps until this AO none of these players have ever even seen a fast court.

And let's be honest, they weren't that fast......just faster than the slow crap that we've seen for the last 20 years.

Even Wimbledon hasn't been fast for ages/decades.
Nah, this latest AO wasn't faster than the USO of the 2000's. Faster than everything in the 2010's except AO 2017? Sure.
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
Not sure. My money would be on the S/V players before the courts (all slams) were slowed.

He should consider himself lucky to own a single title, IMO.
i do not see any great serve and volleyers in the mix in 2003/2004 unless you want to count a washed up henman or 3rd rate volleyer like ancic.........
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
because it isn't true. There is no version of Roddick with a prayer of a chance against Nole who beat Federer in Wimbledon finals. Nole will return his serve much better than Fed, and once the point starts even mythical God-Roddick of 2004 won't stand a chance against Nole. His best chance is 2012 Nole who still hadn't figured out how to move on the surface.
Not stand a prayer hummmm.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Roddick played well in a number of matches vs Federer. Federer just clutched out the close matches.
Just off the top of my head, these were all their close matches:

Basel 2002
Canada 2003 - Roddick won
Wimb 2004
YEC 2006
To an extent USO 2007
Miami 2008 - Roddick won
Miami 2009
Madrid 2009
Wimb 2009
Miami 2012 - Roddick won

That's almost half of their career matches.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Not stand a prayer hummmm.
Roddick won't be getting chip returns off the backhand against Nole...he's going to get hard, flat screamers right at his feet. Won't be pretty.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Are you the sole Roddick homer?

I'd put any amount on Thiem vs Roddick, but that's only because we've all seen Roddick's career.
Dude made money, but wasn't a fighter or top competitor as his numbers on the big stage suggest.

He really wasn't that good in a relative sense. He had a serve, but Thiem would crush him on the modern
slow courts, just like many other top players did a handful of years back.

Go back to fast courts and Roddick has an edge (serve) but we've never seen either on fast courts.
Roddick would eat Thiem alive in the early to mid 2000's courts. Those were faster than what we have today, except for the AO.

And besides, he couldn't even crush Zverev in the USO final, but he's crushing Roddick? Good one.

Also, have you seen Timmy's record in big finals? He's 27 and only has a slam and a masters to show for it, but yeah, infinitely more talented.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Roddick would eat Thiem alive in the early to mid 2000's courts. Those were faster than what we have today, except for the AO.

And besides, he couldn't even crush Zverev in the USO final, but he's crushing Roddick? Good one.
Thiem took the greatest Australian Open champion ever to 5 sets in the Final...on what you consider a fast court.
Yeah, I like his chances against Roddick on fast courts
 

struggle

Legend
Just off the top of my head, these were all their close matches:

Basel 2002
Canada 2003 - Roddick won
Wimb 2004
YEC 2006
To an extent USO 2007
Miami 2008 - Roddick won
Miami 2009
Madrid 2009
Wimb 2009
Miami 2012 - Roddick won

That's almost half of their career matches.
So you are equating a loss with almost winning. Weird. Only one point matters, the last one.

Some fellas know how to win those, some don't.

Roddick did it once over his career (slams).
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
... he might have been able to be a multiple Wimbledon champion.


Instead he played like headless chicken every single time and none deserves to win anything playing this way.

to finally answer the post, that is not grass court tennis.........it is a rally for clay courts.........spectators equally dumb to be appreciating corrupt brand of tennis for the surface.........
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Thiem and Roddick are two sides of the same coin.

Roddick won his only Slam title and was merely 13 weeks as #1 in the pre-prime Federer era. As soon as he faced Federer in Slams, his weak nature showed up.

Thiem won his only Slam title without facing Nadovic.

Thiem has defeated Nadovic in Slams (while Roddick never beat Federer in Slams), but you can argue Thiem faced older versions of Nadovic. Still, Thiem defeated a well-playing version of Novak at RG 2019. Djokovic was "only" 31 and had won the last 3 Slams in a row at RG 2019, he was aiming to achieve the NCYGS. Roddick also pushed 27 years old Federer to 5 at Wimbledon 2009.

All things considered, they are pretty much same stuff in different eras.
Not only were Nadovic older, Thiem beat them only at their weakest slams. Nadal has clearly been worse at the AO in the last 2 years than previously and Djokovic is certainly worse on clay than before too.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
to finally answer the post, that is not grass court tennis.........it is a rally for clay courts.........spectators equally dumb to be appreciating corrupt brand of tennis for the surface.........
Of course it isn't. We haven't had grass court tennis dominating Wimbledon since 2001. Can't get much more obvious then that.
 

Krish0608

Hall of Fame
Don’t know about that. But Roddick actually managed to take sets off and beat Murray on Grass. Something that Djokovic never did.
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Don’t know about that. But Roddick actually managed to take sets off and beat Murray on Grass. Something that Djokovic never did.
And Djokovic managed to actually beat Federer on grass. Something Roddick never did.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
So you are equating a loss with almost winning. Weird. Only one point matters, the last one.

Some fellas know how to win those, some don't.

Roddick did it once over his career (slams).
So what? Not many would have done better against that Federer anyway in this era. And I say in this era because I don't want you to bring up past players from different eras that have nothing to do with the current one.
 

struggle

Legend
Here's the thing.......

It's all hypothetical (actually it's not) as Roddick just wasn't good enough to compete at the level that people wanted of him.

He got the best out of what he had.

He should be happy with his slam trophy (and he surely knows and is).
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Maybe he should not have retired that early. He could have taken his shot at Grandpa Fed like Djokovic did ;)
Lol there is no version of Roddick who beats a walking version of Fed on grass
 

struggle

Legend
So what? Not many would have done better against that Federer anyway in this era. And I say in this era because I don't want you to bring up past players from different eras that have nothing to do with the current one.
Era? Every player crosses eras. None are ever the same age, etc.

Fed is STILL playing. And he's older than Roddick who retired at 30, because......?
 

The Blond Blur

Hall of Fame
Btw there’s an option missing from the poll.

Yes, had peak/prime Rawdick played 2014-2015, 2019 Grandfatherer.

If it’s not added then ban the thread and delete the OP.

Good day sir.

 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Well if you think that then you have safely reached a good conclusion.
We can change it from 2015 BOAT Nole>>2009 Feddy to 2015 BOAT Nole>2009 Feddy

Is that more fair to you?
 
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