Happy 30th Anniversary HEAD Prestige On Tour Since 1986

Arti

Professional
Does anyone know how many current players are using a prestige mid?
Tobías Kamke
Robin Haase
Who else?
 

BA10S

Rookie
Sad news. I spoke to Tobias Kamke today at the Playford Challenger and he says that he’s switched from the PC 600. His new racquet has a Speed PJ and he says it’s a Speed Pro with a 98” headsize and an 18x20 pattern. I didn’t get to see it up close. Apparently he’s been considering a switch for some time to something more forgiving and finally made the decision during the off-season. But he says he still loves the PC 600 for its feel and control and that he’s kept his old stock to use when he retires. Extremely nice, friendly and approachable guy.
 

Arti

Professional
Sad news. I spoke to Tobias Kamke today at the Playford Challenger and he says that he’s switched from the PC 600. His new racquet has a Speed PJ and he says it’s a Speed Pro with a 98” headsize and an 18x20 pattern. I didn’t get to see it up close. Apparently he’s been considering a switch for some time to something more forgiving and finally made the decision during the off-season. But he says he still loves the PC 600 for its feel and control and that he’s kept his old stock to use when he retires. Extremely nice, friendly and approachable guy.
I saw it on the challenger live stream, seems to be using the same racquet stakhovsky is using, PT310
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Sad news. I spoke to Tobias Kamke today at the Playford Challenger and he says that he’s switched from the PC 600. His new racquet has a Speed PJ and he says it’s a Speed Pro with a 98” headsize and an 18x20 pattern. I didn’t get to see it up close. Apparently he’s been considering a switch for some time to something more forgiving and finally made the decision during the off-season. But he says he still loves the PC 600 for its feel and control and that he’s kept his old stock to use when he retires. Extremely nice, friendly and approachable guy.
I'm sure people in his camp are telling him he can't play with such a small head with 18x20. As much as I like Kamke I don't think it will make a difference.
 

BA10S

Rookie
I saw it on the challenger live stream, seems to be using the same racquet stakhovsky is using, PT310
Great info. I looked through some previous posts in this thread and it seems that Kamke was actually using the TGT 292.1 (YT IG Mid), not the PT10/PC 600. Very similar racquets according to a lot of people here though.

I’ve watched all his matches so far at Playford in person and the only thing I could tell (well, suspected until he confirmed it earlier today) was that his racquet looked bigger than a Prestige Mid. I didn’t get to see his racquet up close, but even if I did I’d probably not be able to tell much about it since I’m no expert on Head Pro Stocks. If he’s indeed using a PT310 now, then I guess it’s a 95”. He told me it was a 98”, but that’s probably because he was told that by Head. He was also under the impression that his old racquet was a 93”. When I explained that the Prestige Mid actually measures 89.5”, he wasn’t surprised at all, and mentioned that the headsize of his old racquets definitely seemed very small. One thing that stood out from being courtside was how cleanly he strikes the ball; I can definitely see how he was able to use such a small racquet with so much success. As I said previously, he still has a soft spot for his old Prestige Mids and plans to use them in retirement (he says it’s the feel that he loves most).
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Great info. I looked through some previous posts in this thread and it seems that Kamke was actually using the TGT 292.1 (YT IG Mid), not the PT10/PC 600. Very similar racquets according to a lot of people here though.

I’ve watched all his matches so far at Playford in person and the only thing I could tell (well, suspected until he confirmed it earlier today) was that his racquet looked bigger than a Prestige Mid. I didn’t get to see his racquet up close, but even if I did I’d probably not be able to tell much about it since I’m no expert on Head Pro Stocks. If he’s indeed using a PT310 now, then I guess it’s a 95”. He told me it was a 98”, but that’s probably because he was told that by Head. He was also under the impression that his old racquet was a 93”. When I explained that the Prestige Mid actually measures 89.5”, he wasn’t surprised at all, and mentioned that the headsize of his old racquets definitely seemed very small. One thing that stood out from being courtside was how cleanly he strikes the ball; I can definitely see how he was able to use such a small racquet with so much success. As I said previously, he still has a soft spot for his old Prestige Mids and plans to use them in retirement (he says it’s the feel that he loves most).
Kamke should have switched to the PT57A2
 

BA10S

Rookie
Kamke should have switched to the PT57A2
PT57A2 is a PT57A with a 16x19 pattern right? I think Kamke prefers a dense string pattern. He specifically mentioned (without me asking) that his racquet has an 18x20 pattern.

Maybe the regular PT57A would feel closer to his Prestige Mid, along with the extra forgiveness he was looking for, though?

I’ve never had the opportunity to try any of these racquets unfortunately, but I hope to someday. I’m sure I’d appreciate why they’re so highly regarded, as I also like solid, vibration free, muted feeling racquets. I’m currently using a pair LM Instinct MPs. Not sure if the ones I have are made in Austria, Czech Republic or China (if anyone knows how I can find out I’d be very interested), but regardless they feel great. So solid, comfortable and vibration free, but part of that is probably due to the fact they’re customised to (strung, OG, rubber band) 370 g/32.7 cm/388 kg*cm^2 SW. I bought the racquets used and they had both previously been customised with (nearly an entire handle full!) of silicone which I removed. I’ve got lead tape wrapped around (and around the pallets underneath) the buttcap (L4 size on L3 pallets) and at the top of the handle, and on the inside of the hoop spanning nearly the entire length of the bumper. They’re the first Head racquets I’ve ever had, but easily the best. I love the rectangular grip shape too.

@vsbabolat by the way, I’ve seen you mention before that your PC 600s are customised to 370 g/32.5 cm ready to play. Are they still customised the same way? If you don’t mind sharing, what’s the SW? Also, since the target specs can usually be reached in an infinite number of ways, what sort of weight placement do you use?
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
PT57A2 is a PT57A with a 16x19 pattern right? I think Kamke prefers a dense string pattern. He specifically mentioned (without me asking) that his racquet has an 18x20 pattern.

Maybe the regular PT57A would feel closer to his Prestige Mid, along with the extra forgiveness he was looking for, though?

I’ve never had the opportunity to try any of these racquets unfortunately, but I hope to someday. I’m sure I’d appreciate why they’re so highly regarded, as I also like solid, vibration free, muted feeling racquets. I’m currently using a pair LM Instinct MPs. Not sure if the ones I have are made in Austria, Czech Republic or China (if anyone knows how I can find out I’d be very interested), but regardless they feel great. So solid, comfortable and vibration free, but part of that is probably due to the fact they’re customised to (strung, OG, rubber band) 370 g/32.7 cm/388 kg*cm^2 SW. I bought the racquets used and they had both previously been customised with (nearly an entire handle full!) of silicone which I removed. I’ve got lead tape wrapped around (and around the pallets underneath) the buttcap (L4 size on L3 pallets) and at the top of the handle, and on the inside of the hoop spanning nearly the entire length of the bumper. They’re the first Head racquets I’ve ever had, but easily the best. I love the rectangular grip shape too.

@vsbabolat by the way, I’ve seen you mention before that your PC 600s are customised to 370 g/32.5 cm ready to play. Are they still customised the same way? If you don’t mind sharing, what’s the SW? Also, since the target specs can usually be reached in an infinite number of ways, what sort of weight placement do you use?
PT57A2 just refers to the mold and layup. In retail form it was the Pro Tour 630. It can be 18X20 or 16x19. Mine are 18x20.

that's strung spec with an overgrip. I have silicone in my hairpins and if things need to be added lead on the pallet and under the grommets as needed.
 

BA10S

Rookie
PT57A2 just refers to the mold and layup. In retail form it was the Pro Tour 630. It can be 18X20 or 16x19. Mine are 18x20.

that's strung spec with an overgrip. I have silicone in my hairpins and if things need to be added lead on the pallet and under the grommets as needed.
Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry about my mistake! So what’s the difference between the PT57A and PT57A2 then?
And are your racquets retail models or Pro Stocks?

Sorry to bother you with so many questions. You don’t need to answer.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry about my mistake! So what’s the difference between the PT57A and PT57A2 then?
And are your racquets retail models or Pro Stocks?

Sorry to bother you with so many questions. You don’t need to answer.
There are actually 3 different PT57A. PT57A1, PT57A2, and PT57A3.

My racquets are both.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
If you think about it the Prestige Pro/Classic 600 was on Tour form 1986-2017. Over 31 years someone in the top 100 ATP had continuously used the Prestige Pro/Classic 600. I can't think of another Graphite frame that has that kind of longevity. Head has been trying to get rid of that racquet for years and they finally succeeded. In my opinion the Pro Tour 630/PT57A2 is an evolution of the Prestige Pro/Classic 600.
 

FlightDeck

New User
There are actually 3 different PT57A. PT57A1, PT57A2, and PT57A3.
Have seen hairpin label with PT57A4. According to a german forum it specifies different initial weight options for the pro player, A1 being the lightest and A4 being the most heavy option. I have PT57A2 and PT57A3, and the A3 version is initially heavier needing less lead in the hoop. Having A2 gives you more options on setting up the desired static weight / balance / weight distribution.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Have seen hairpin label with PT57A4. According to a german forum it specifies different initial weight options for the pro player, A1 being the lightest and A4 being the most heavy option. I have PT57A2 and PT57A3, and the A3 version is initially heavier needing less lead in the hoop. Having A2 gives you more options on setting up the desired static weight / balance / weight distribution.
I have never seen a 4. The info I was told was 2 was the softest, 1 was stiffer, and 3 was the stiffest. Weight is only added after the manufacturing process when the racquets are customized.
I have 2’s and one 1 and can confirm this information first hand.
 

FlightDeck

New User
I have never seen a 4. The info I was told was 2 was the softest, 1 was stiffer, and 3 was the stiffest. Weight is only added after the manufacturing process when the racquets are customized.
I have 2’s and one 1 and can confirm this information first hand.
I think the hairpin labels are pure specs of the frame without the customization (lead + silicone). However the weight differences between the different layups may be very well just a coincidence, I don't have so many examples to conclude anything. Actually I just saw a pt57a2 with specs WT: 252g BP: 380mm which is pretty close to my pt57a3 WT: 253g BP: 386mm. About the softness I can not comment since my two A2 and A3 (both 58RA on RDC) are not exactly matched 1:1 (weight / balance / sw / string / tension), but this could be a great experiment to test them side by side when specs are as close as possible. I like them both very much, it is a pleasure to hit with :D

...and the heavy PT57A4:

 
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obana48

New User
I've just disassembled my second pt630 dia. How about this?



I have 2 pt630 dia. First hairpin is 253g and the second is 244g. Both hairpins have TK57 A-6 codes.

Also I have pt630 mia. When I bought it it had silicon in handle. The code is barely visible but for me it's TK57 A-6 or even A-8:

 
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wotsefack

New User
The Prestige Mid fades away. Just call it NotAPrestige MID and everyone is fine with it!


Gesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
The Prestige Mid fades away. Just call it NotAPrestige MID and everyone is fine with it!
Yeah, the real Prestige is 18x20. Still, Head is struggling to emancipate from the long hand of the classic Prestige legacy by introducing some modern feel, slowly but surely. PGT is a step in the right direction. Less vibrations, more maneuverability and bigger sweet spot.
 
Guilty as charged - I shaved its CAPs. ;)
NO! Better try lighter strings (as mine 1.2mm RIP); it's enough to get more RHS and make things easier. Or try to make it more HL other way and put some weigth under cap (in 335gr unstrung I did put 4gr under cap; one 340gr was already more HL... thank you Head QC).
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
NO! Better try lighter strings (as mine 1.2mm RIP); it's enough to get more RHS and make things easier. Or try to make it more HL other way and put some weigth under cap (in 335gr unstrung I did put 4gr under cap; one 340gr was already more HL... thank you Head QC).
Like it better now. More polarized, less 10 gr, more headlight and maneuverable, easier to serve... I think also that the RA went down by a margin.
 
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