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I just found a snippet of a 6-1, 6-4 win over the # 4 seed 1982 US open semi. Jaeger had just crushed her at the French a few months before. Jaeger only won one set in the next 19 sets .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE3v3sbSJJI&feature=related

1980 CHICHESTER GRASS (O) Q C. EVERT 6-3 6-2
1980 WIMBLEDON GRASS (O) Q C. EVERT 6-1 6-1
1980 INDIANAPOLIS CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-4 6-3
1980 MAYBELLINE HARD (I) F C. EVERT 6-4 6-1
1981 WASHINGTON (RR) CARPET (I) R128 A. JAEGER W/O
1981 CANADIAN OPEN HARD (O) S C. EVERT 4-6 6-1 6-2
1981 MAYBELLINE CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 4-6 6-3 6-0
1982 VS OF CALIFORNIA CARPET (I) F A. JAEGER 7-6 6-4
1982 CITIZEN CUP CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-1 7-5
1982 HILTON HEAD CLAY (O) S A. JAEGER 6-1 1-6 6-2
1982 AMELIA ISLAND CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-1
1982 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) S A. JAEGER 6-0 6-3
1982 US OPEN HARD (O) S C. EVERT 6-1 6-4
1982 MAYBELLINE HARD (O) F C. EVERT 6-1 6-1
1982 TAMPA HARD (O) F C. EVERT 3-6 6-1 6-4
1982 LION CUP CARPET (I) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-2
1982 AUSTRALIAN OPEN GRASS (O) S C. EVERT 6-1 6-0
1983 PALM BEACH GARDENS CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-3
1983 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) S C. EVERT 6-3 6-1
1983 LION CUP HARD (O) S C. EVERT 6-1 7-5
1984 JOHANNESBURG HARD (O) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-0
 
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It looks like Jaeger is trying to outrally Evert from the baseline. Basically the kiss of death. Then again from the bit I know about her I think that was her only game, so I guess she didnt have much choice or chance.
 
Jaeger was always a bit...well...odd? She was definitely talented but her parents were overbearing and she is famous for reporting she tanked matches to avoid the top spot because she didn't really want it. I do consider her one of my 5 best women to never win a major....but looking at these numbers...well it does make me question that.

Some of those scores though...6-1 6-1 on hard, 6-1 6-0 on grass, those clay scores are not at all surprising though...it is Evert we are talking after all.
 
Good clip. There were only a few players who could outrally Evert from the baseline, and Jaeger wasn't one of them.

The other day I was watching the Evert-Carling Bassett 1986 French Open QF match on youtube. The whole match is on there right now. It's quite entertaining as well.
 
CEvertFan said:
Good clip. There were only a few players who could outrally Evert from the baseline, and Jaeger wasn't one of them.
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Makes you wonder what she should have tried to do as isnt that the only game Jaeger herself is comfortable with? Happy birthday by the way.
 
BTURNER said:
I just found a snippet of a 6-1, 6-4 win over the # 4 seed 1982 US open semi. Jaeger had just crushed her at the French a few months before. Jaeger only won one set in the next 19 sets .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE3v3sbSJJI&feature=related

1980 CHICHESTER GRASS (O) Q C. EVERT 6-3 6-2
1980 WIMBLEDON GRASS (O) Q C. EVERT 6-1 6-1
1980 INDIANAPOLIS CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-4 6-3
1980 MAYBELLINE HARD (I) F C. EVERT 6-4 6-1
1981 WASHINGTON (RR) CARPET (I) R128 A. JAEGER W/O
1981 CANADIAN OPEN HARD (O) S C. EVERT 4-6 6-1 6-2
1981 MAYBELLINE CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 4-6 6-3 6-0
1982 VS OF CALIFORNIA CARPET (I) F A. JAEGER 7-6 6-4
1982 CITIZEN CUP CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-1 7-5
1982 HILTON HEAD CLAY (O) S A. JAEGER 6-1 1-6 6-2
1982 AMELIA ISLAND CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-1
1982 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) S A. JAEGER 6-0 6-3
1982 US OPEN HARD (O) S C. EVERT 6-1 6-4
1982 MAYBELLINE HARD (O) F C. EVERT 6-1 6-1
1982 TAMPA HARD (O) F C. EVERT 3-6 6-1 6-4
1982 LION CUP CARPET (I) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-2
1982 AUSTRALIAN OPEN GRASS (O) S C. EVERT 6-1 6-0
1983 PALM BEACH GARDENS CLAY (O) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-3
1983 FRENCH OPEN CLAY (O) S C. EVERT 6-3 6-1
1983 LION CUP HARD (O) S C. EVERT 6-1 7-5
1984 JOHANNESBURG HARD (O) F C. EVERT 6-3 6-0
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FYI
These results are from the WTA. So they are not quite accurate. The scores of the French 82 win by Jaeger was 63,61. The score of the 82 US Open semi was 61,62. The WTA doesn't even know the surface of several of their tournaments. The Maybelline event in Deerfield Beach was outdoors on hard courts.

Interesting that they met 10 times in 1982. Apart from one season where Chris and Martina played 11 times, this is probably a record for two top 10 players to have faced each other that often in one season.

Evert also beat Jaeger at each of the majors, and rather decisively. Losing 1 game in the Australian, 2 at Wimbledon, 3 at the US Open and 4 in the French. Jaeger had one of the most decisive wins ever over Evert on clay, at the 1982 French 63,61.
 
Watching Evert play on old tapes you can really appreciate the genius of her game. There are just so many things she did out there which made her so tough to play against and consistently win points against even without murdering the ball (not that hardly anyone could do that with a wood racquet anyway). Even that opening game Jaeger won you can see how hard she had to work just to win that one game. Evert was like a surgeon going to work from the baseline.
 
These results are from the WTA. So they are not quite accurate. The scores of the French 82 win by Jaeger was 63,61. The score of the 82 US Open semi was 61,62. The WTA doesn't even know the surface of several of their tournaments. The Maybelline event in Deerfield Beach was outdoors on hard courts.
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This is pretty sad. No wonder they neglected Evonne's #1 ranking for all these years...

atptennis has quite a few incorrect scores as well.
 
hoodjem said:
Take a look at Evert's forehand.

Is there any topspin on that at all? (It looks either flat or with a little sidespin.)
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Evert could hit both the forehand and backhand with topspin but usually did so only on passing shots (to make the net rusher volley up from her shoelaces) - she normally hit both wings flat on her groundstrokes but did add sidespin to both her forehand and backhand, especially against tougher opponents, so this way when the ball bounced it would spin away from her opponent.


That '82 match at the French that Jaeger won easily over Evert always puzzled me as it was such a rare thing for Evert to lose a match that easily on red clay.
 
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CEvertFan said:
That '82 match at the French that Jaeger won easily over Evert always puzzled me as it was such a rare thing for Evert to lose a match that easily on red clay.
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Yeah and it is not like it was to a Navratilova or Graf, or even a Mandlikova or Austin on a hot day. Not that Jaeger isnt a good player but she isnt as scary as any of those I mentioned. For her to beat Chris that easily twice on clay back to back, once at the French. Very strange, shocking really. It looks like Chris was intent on putting her back in her place in this match though.
 
this is from the SI issue on the '82 French:

Actually, Navratilova, who now has won eight of nine tournaments, 42 of 43 matches and 85 of 96 sets this year in a rousing start toward the Grand Slam, might have thanked Jaeger for beating Chris Evert Lloyd 6-3, 6-1 in the semifinals. It was as desultory a clay-court performance as Evert Lloyd has ever been party to. Maybe she wanted to concentrate on rooting her husband, John, home in the mixed. (He reached the final with Wendy Turnbull.) Or perhaps, after so many years at the top, Evert Lloyd needs more than a steady diet of Palooka-ettes in preparation for her matches against the three or four women capable of winning a major tournament. In one span against Jaeger, Evert Lloyd lost 30 of 39 points, 25 of them on unforced errors.
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http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1125609/3/index.htm

Both the FO & USO Evert-Jaeger matches are available for sale online.
 
CEvertFan said:
Evert could hit both the forehand and backhand with topspin but usually did so only on passing shots (to make the net rusher volley up from her shoelaces) - she normally hit both wings flat on her groundstrokes but did add sidespin to both her forehand and backhand, especially against tougher opponents, so this way when the ball bounced it would spin away from her opponent.

Interesting, Evertfan, I saw a consistent use of moderate topspin in those two french finals vs Martina particularly in exchanges with Evert's forehand rallying shots and in a few other matches. Maye she used more top on clay for better margin/ control with additional power or maybe it was a post wood or late career development. I saw that flat and sidespin as well but lots of top in the rallies, sometimes those forehands looked like they could have come from Sabatini. Could have been a tactic to keep Martina pinned back more.
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LOL, the topic title is a silly joke. I have no idea when Evertfan's birthday is. the clip could be awfully early for a gift or awfully late. I just thought there would be a smile watching it.
 
BTURNER said:
LOL, the topic title is a silly joke. I have no idea when Evertfan's birthday is. the clip could be awfully early for a gift or awfully late. I just thought there would be a smile watching it.
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I knew how you meant it but it was amusing to get all the birthday wishes. :) My birthday is actually in July, about a month after Graf's (she's a month older than me :) ).


Regarding Evert and topspin I think she was trying her best to keep Martina pinned to the baseline as much as possible which is still a sound tactic - hit it deep with some top and it's possible to keep someone pinned behind the baseline. I also think that overall she hit a flatter ball with wood than she did with graphite especially on the forehand side. Even with the graphite she still hit pretty flat groundstrokes on the BH side which was also a sound tactic as that was her more powerful side and she could try to hit through the court more.
 
Yes, that makes sense. And considering the greater power, with the new racket, a little more margin on the clay ain't bad idea. She had such feel and confidence in that backhand even when her game was off, she'd inevitably give it a real ride.
 
I have actually never seen this match, but have wanted to. So thanks for posting the link to the clip. I've read a couple of reports that claimed that Roland threw Andrea's racquet bag at her and made her leave immediately without showering. Virginia made a rather odd comment after one rally where Andrea fell saying she may have wanted to "show her father she was trying."

I found an old Sports Illustrated article on Andrea that pointed out several off court incidents in Andrea's life from 1982-1984. I think it's safe to say that Chris, for whatever problems she may have had with John, could at least come to the court and concentrate on her tennis. I don't think that Andrea always had that luxury.

But let me make a general observation about this particular match, the 1982 US Open was some of the best tennis that I ever saw Chrissie play. She was super motivated and played lights out. I think she enjoyed beating Andrea in this manner after the two beatings Andrea gave her on clay. So whatever else may have been on Andrea's mind, she was in for a tough day.
 
CEvertFan said:
I knew how you meant it but it was amusing to get all the birthday wishes. :) My birthday is actually in July, about a month after Graf's (she's a month older than me :) ).


Regarding Evert and topspin I think she was trying her best to keep Martina pinned to the baseline as much as possible which is still a sound tactic - hit it deep with some top and it's possible to keep someone pinned behind the baseline. I also think that overall she hit a flatter ball with wood than she did with graphite especially on the forehand side. Even with the graphite she still hit pretty flat groundstrokes on the BH side which was also a sound tactic as that was her more powerful side and she could try to hit through the court more.
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Even today I love watching Chris play Martina play. One of the interesting things about their matches post 1983 was the variety with the graphite racquet that Chris added particularly to her forehand side. I loved her strategy of "mini moon balls" as Bud once called them to keep Martina back. And there's no doubt in my mind that on the run, Chris was able to get a lot more topspin on her forehand crosscourt pass which improved that shot in my opinion.

But I'm still partial to her old sidespin forehand down the line which would tail away from Martina's forehand, or even better, to a righty's backhand side. I thought this was an underated shot.
 
I don't know of anyone else that used that sidespin forehand or does today! When she got it deep it was particularly difficult on players. She used the same shot as a return of a body serve. She'd just step to her left and siespin it down the line deep. It rarely erred.
 
BTURNER said:
I don't know of anyone else that used that sidespin forehand or does today! When she got it deep it was particularly difficult on players. She used the same shot as a return of a body serve. She'd just step to her left and siespin it down the line deep. It rarely erred.
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It's really a shot that I think can still be used. Jack Kramer used to use it as an approach shot on forehand and backhand. It has good speed and it can pull the player off the court.
 
BTURNER said:
I don't know of anyone else that used that sidespin forehand or does today! When she got it deep it was particularly difficult on players. She used the same shot as a return of a body serve. She'd just step to her left and siespin it down the line deep. It rarely erred.
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The side-spin forehand was Kerry Melville-Reid's big weapon. Her accomplishments weren't in the same class as Evert's but you could say that for most players. For a chick with a mediocre backhand and serve, that forehand got her a win over Chris, a US Open final, an Oz Open title, and a ranking high of 5. When she played well, she was fun to watch. Big forehand, good volleyer. She, Richey, Durr & Chris were about the only successful baseliners during the '70s, till Austin showed up.

Pam Shriver had a great side-spin forehand, too. What an under-achiever she turned out to be.
 
MLRoy said:
The side-spin forehand was Kerry Melville-Reid's big weapon. Her accomplishments weren't in the same class as Evert's but you could say that for most players. For a chick with a mediocre backhand and serve, that forehand got her a win over Chris, a US Open final, an Oz Open title, and a ranking high of 5. When she played well, she was fun to watch. Big forehand, good volleyer. She, Richey, Durr & Chris were about the only successful baseliners during the '70s, till Austin showed up.

Pam Shriver had a great side-spin forehand, too. What an under-achiever she turned out to be.
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People had great expectations for Shriver when she reached the US Open final at age 16 in 1078 but in retrospect perhaps we overrated her talent. She could never hit topspin, her serve was merely very good despite her height and her volley wasn't the highest level although it was very good.
 
pc1 said:
People had great expectations for Shriver when she reached the US Open final at age 16 in 1078 but in retrospect perhaps we overrated her talent. She could never hit topspin, her serve was merely very good despite her height and her volley wasn't the highest level although it was very good.
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Yeah, I know. I thought she was going to win a couple of slams, judging from that lone slam final. She played Chris tough in a slam final at 16...?!?! What else could anyone think? I was shocked to find out not long ago she's in the Hall of Fame. As far as I know, they don't have a "doubles" HOF category. I know inclusion is voted on, so there's a personal popularity aspect to it. But why would she even be submitted as a candidate? Kerry Reid has a better slam record, more tourney wins (26:21), even a doubles slam or two; yet isn't in the HOF. Maybe not enough votes, but, still. I guess "Mrs. James Bond" is an exception. ;^)B
 
MLRoy said:
Yeah, I know. I thought she was going to win a couple of slams, judging from that lone slam final. She played Chris tough in a slam final at 16...?!?! What else could anyone think? I was shocked to find out not long ago she's in the Hall of Fame. As far as I know, they don't have a "doubles" HOF category. I know inclusion is voted on, so there's a personal popularity aspect to it. But why would she even be submitted as a candidate? Kerry Reid has a better slam record, more tourney wins (26:21), even a doubles slam or two; yet isn't in the HOF. Maybe not enough votes, but, still. I guess "Mrs. James Bond" is an exception. ;^)B
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The name is "Shriver, (dramatic pause), Pam Shriver." :)

Yes I agree with you, considering what she did at 16 it makes total sense to think she had great potential. One thing is certain, Tracy Austin and Pam Shriver coming up at the same time brought great talent to Women's Tennis. Austin was amazing. It's another of those cases in which you wonder what would have happened if she didn't have major injuries.
 
pc1 said:
The name is "Shriver, (dramatic pause), Pam Shriver." :)

Yes I agree with you, considering what she did at 16 it makes total sense to think she had great potential. One thing is certain, Tracy Austin and Pam Shriver coming up at the same time brought great talent to Women's Tennis. Austin was amazing. It's another of those cases in which you wonder what would have happened if she didn't have major injuries.
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"And I like my men shaken, not stirred." (I sure wouldn't say that to her face!) ;^)B
 
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