Hard hitters: What would play similar to Poly Tour Pro but lasts longer?

AMGF

Professional
I hit hard with lots of spin. My usual set up is lux gut/4g soft poly. I had some Yonex poly tour pro from an old set up, I gave it a go in my VC98+ and it plays really well. I get even better spin and control than my gut/poly hybrid. But after 2 hours it lost most of its snap back and after 4 hours strings are staying crooked and I lost a noticeable amount of spin. I could probably get another 2 hours at most before it is dead.

Any suggestions from hard hitters on poly strings that play well for 8hours? And bonus points if it plays similar to PTP. Thanks.
 

dr. godmode

Semi-Pro
I always got a lot of time out of Snakebite. I play at a high level with intense training sessions, but I'm not that string sensitive.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I gave up on trying to find a string that lasts me a while. I'm using RPM Rough mains with RPM Blast crosses at 55 lbs now.

If my strings are going to last 6-8 hours before going dead or breaking, I might as well get strings that I enjoy hitting with.
 

McLovin

Legend
There’s a place in the UK where you can get a reel of YPTP for around $90 shipped to the US (less if you buy multiple reels). Why not just use what you like & restring often?
 

AMGF

Professional
I gave up on trying to find a string that lasts me a while. I'm using RPM Rough mains with RPM Blast crosses at 55 lbs now.

If my strings are going to last 6-8 hours before going dead or breaking, I might as well get strings that I enjoy hitting with.
I like that advice. That’s my other option. I have my own stringer. I can just restring every 4-6 hours and I have the string I like.

I was just wondering if there was something out there that would last longer. But I think at some point hard hitters just destroy strings faster.
 

AMGF

Professional
I always got a lot of time out of Snakebite. I play at a high level with intense training sessions, but I'm not that string sensitive.
Training sessions are the worst for me. 1 hour high intensity training session is probably worth 3hours of regular play. I’d probably hit 350 balls/hour during practice while an hour of play is around 120 (I played a whole game with the Sony sensors a couple years ago).

I know of people who use training frames. They will always use the same frame for training until the strings break or will use their « not good enough for game » frames. But I’m afraid that training with dead string jobs would lead to either injury (dead polys are tough on the joints) or would modify my swing dynamics to compensate for the bad strings.
 

McLovin

Legend
But to be clear, I wouldn’t consider myself a ‘hard hitter’ (4.5/5.0 who really feeds off other’s power). I rarely broke gut/poly (only on clay in the Florida humidity), and will never break full YPTP. I find 6-8 hours and I’m cutting it out.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
Hard hitters can probably only ask for 8-10 hours max out of a poly string bed before a noticeable drop off. If you're looking for more life, your kevlar/XXX combo may be best.
I've had good results with Poly Tour Strike and Hyper G in terms of longevity but I don't consider myself a hard hitter by any means. For me 10 - 12 hours is the normal working range before I restring.
 

AMGF

Professional
Hard hitters can probably only ask for 8-10 hours max out of a poly string bed before a noticeable drop off. If you're looking for more life, your kevlar/XXX combo may be best.
I've had good results with Poly Tour Strike and Hyper G in terms of longevity but I don't consider myself a hard hitter by any means. For me 10 - 12 hours is the normal working range before I restring.
I thought about kevlar but I'm not sure the playability will be good compared to gut/poly or full poly. Kevlar is just so stiff. Maybe I should give a gut/kevlar hybrid a shot.
 

dr. godmode

Semi-Pro
I thought about kevlar but I'm not sure the playability will be good compared to gut/poly or full poly. Kevlar is just so stiff. Maybe I should give a gut/kevlar hybrid a shot.
I tried Kev/HD PPS @ 60/40lbs and there is definitely some playability there. If you can get Monogut ZX for the crosses that is supposed to be heavenly. The key wit Kevlar is the big tension differential to help cure the board feel and promote spin. Another challenge is Kevlar has like no elasticity so you really have to prestretch it or else it gets saggy and loose in only a few hours.
 

teekaywhy

Professional
I thought about kevlar but I'm not sure the playability will be good compared to gut/poly or full poly. Kevlar is just so stiff. Maybe I should give a gut/kevlar hybrid a shot.
I think gut /kevlar or kevlar/gut would be good. I used the kevlar/monogut for a while with good feeling/results. Just need to recalibrate what "normal" tension is for the kevlar. FWIW i went 50lbs/50lbs on a Ezone DR98.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I like that advice. That’s my other option. I have my own stringer. I can just restring every 4-6 hours and I have the string I like.

I was just wondering if there was something out there that would last longer. But I think at some point hard hitters just destroy strings faster.
Yeah I used to use Hyper G because it was a cheap, cost effective string that I could restring often, but ever since the price of those went up there was no point using them anymore when there are better strings that cost only a bit more. That’s why I went and bought two reels of RPM.

Still, a string like LXN 4G will work well if you want the best tension maintenance (durability is decent but if you are a hard hitter then the tension maintenance and string breakage period is going to be virtually the same); pre-stretched strings like Kirschbaum Pro Line series are a good option too. You could just go for a lower gauge string but that’s boring.
 

Notirouswithag

Professional
There’s a place in the UK where you can get a reel of YPTP for around $90 shipped to the US (less if you buy multiple reels). Why not just use what you like & restring often?

I do this now with my co worker from the same place. His buddy orders reels from the uk and its usually $90 a pop for us
 

Username_

Hall of Fame
I thought about kevlar but I'm not sure the playability will be good compared to gut/poly or full poly. Kevlar is just so stiff. Maybe I should give a gut/kevlar hybrid a shot.
The playability of kevlar is much, much better than full poly but this is statement only applies when the full bed of poly has started dropping off. I.e fresh full bed poly plays better than fresh kevlar/poly
kevlar will play consistent until it breaks. (well, until it's sawed about 70% through the kevlar then you can feel the ball fly a bit farther than usual if you want to be specific, but that's when it's gonna break anytime soon anyway)

Reason being is kevlar is resistant to notching and won't be anywhere near as crooked, and will go into position on it's own without you having to manually pull them back yourself (assuming you string the kevlar a bit higher than usual)

gut/poly does everything kevlar/poly (but notches a but more) does but better
lasts nowhere near as long, much more powerful than kevlar, easier access to spin than kevlar, softer, ruined in the wet weather
Fcuking expensive :(

I use kevlar/poly hybrid (kevlar/alu soft). Recommend a round profile for the poly cross for easier sliding of the kevlar.


If you still want to stick with full poly, I recommend ALU Soft. My bias though since I always liked the luxilon feel. I do think the ALU Power Soft lasts longer than regular ALU Power, and I believe you're also (or was?) a fan of luxilon alu power


TL;DR: Fresh full bed poly playability by a long shot > kevlar/poly playability, however for playability and longevity kevlar/poly blows full poly out of the park.


notes:
- kevlar will give you a stiffer feeling to confirm what you said in an earlier post
- kevlar is lower powered enough to significantly notice the difference when switching between a full poly and kevlar/poly hybrid

if you can deal with these, go for it
 
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blai212

Semi-Pro
+1 @ poly tour strike
it’s more slick than PTP so you’ll get that magical snapback action and it’s crisper with more pop
also, string crosses few lbs lower than mains for max snapback action on mains


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ron schaap

Professional
Training sessions are the worst for me. 1 hour high intensity training session is probably worth 3hours of regular play. I’d probably hit 350 balls/hour during practice while an hour of play is around 120 (I played a whole game with the Sony sensors a couple years ago).

I know of people who use training frames. They will always use the same frame for training until the strings break or will use their « not good enough for game » frames. But I’m afraid that training with dead string jobs would lead to either injury (dead polys are tough on the joints) or would modify my swing dynamics to compensate for the bad strings.
There are already differences between training and matches. During training you use trainingballs while in matches you often gets matchballs that are new or nearly new. At last i do otherwise my coach would become broke soon. So why wouldnt you use training strings too?
 

AMGF

Professional
There are already differences between training and matches. During training you use trainingballs while in matches you often gets matchballs that are new or nearly new. At last i do otherwise my coach would become broke soon. So why wouldnt you use training strings too?
I personnally coach with new balls. I will replace them when they start to be soft or have no felt left. I don’t have super hard hitters students so balls do last quite a bit. I do have older balls for kids or beginners who actually profit from slower/dead balls. If you practice with old balls you will adjust your strokes for soft/no felt and your game will suffer with new balls that act differently.

I will personally train with the frame I'm at. Some people I know use training frames, but again they develop their strokes for a different frame than what they’ll use in games. Not the best approach tennis wise, but it makes sense budget wise. I do have a coaching frame though.

This thread is already a few weeks old. What I decided to do is to buy reels of PTP. Each string job costs me around 6$. I have my stringing machine so it makes a lot of sense for me. After about 5hours of hard hitting the strings are toasted and I just take the next one in the bag. It is the best combo of playability and cost effectiveness for me. YMMV.
 

anfield

Semi-Pro
I've said it before, but Yonex Poly Tour Strike is basically the same at PTP but with better longevity.
I'm not so sure about this. I found Strike to be much slicker and more springy. I used the grey one, not sure about the black. PTP has a bit of texture and quite muted compared to the more lively Strike. Some folks thing Strike and Hawk Touch are the same, that's more inline to me.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
Sent.

Also, I used gut/YPTP for years. Over the winter I tried full YPTP at 48lbs in my Fischer Pro No 1s and found it very comfortable, so now I’ve converted full time.
I am currently using gut/yptp and really like it. But I break strings more than I would like to.

How would you compare performance between the two setups?
 
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